Firehawk 305 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 In regard to Ozzie... You know what's really interesting? When Fleury allowed those bad goals that bounced off the boards in game 1, I went to the Pens board and they blamed the boards, not the goalie for being out of position lol. If that had happened to Ozzie, we woulda been looking for his immediate removal from the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 In regard to Ozzie... You know what's really interesting? When Fleury allowed those bad goals that bounced off the boards in game 1, I went to the Pens board and they blamed the boards, not the goalie for being out of position lol. If that had happened to Ozzie, we woulda been looking for his immediate removal from the team. which begs the question.. What is wrong with pens fans? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firehawk 305 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 which begs the question.. What is wrong with pens fans? I know, right? First time I ever heard fans blame lively boards as to why they were cheated LOL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datterberg1340 626 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Same here. Excellent post. In a game like this, everything is magnified so Stuart's going to get a lot of sh!t for his 2 big mistakes that seriously hurt us, but in the end we did lose as a team I think it was more our depth guys didn't come through and theirs did- all their goals in games 6 & 7 were from Staal, Kennedy, and Talbot, and all we could get was one each from freakin' Draper and Ericsson Hudler, Samuelsson, Cleary, guys that all scored in last year's finals all had very quiet series this time around, and it of course would have been nice if Hossa hadn't completely disappeared Sometimes I think our depth hurt us in that the big guns maybe didn't feel enough pressure to score, that it was OK if they didn't b/c the depth would bail them out, which worked for awhile, but in the end of course caught up with us Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Funny thread. It's Stuart's fault! It's Stuart's fault! How about Osgood making the save he should've made on goal #2 and we'd be likely celebrating right now. Talbot was shooting all the way. That was obvious. Osgood was too far to his right and left way too much net to Talbot's right - so, so easy to pick, which he did. Did noone see the guys faces right after? Did no-one 'hear' the crowds silence? That was the turning point in the game. And this coming from me - who stood by him all season while he was called a bum around here. Down 1-0, you are only thinking, one goal - one, and we're tied. But down two? f***. Now we need to score three to win. Big difference in your mindset. Ozzie needed to make that save and he didn't. What a long ******* summer .... Go jump off a bridge. Osgood was not at fault for tonight's abortion of a game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10 Minute Misconduct 104 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 stuart was the wings 1st or 2nd best defenseman all playoffs f*** off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Wing 1,521 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) No, he didn't have his best game as a Red Wing and he'd probably be the first one to tell you that. To be fair, the first turnover for the goal shold have been blown dead on an icing call. It wasn't so he has to live with that, not you or me. I'm glad he's a Red Wing though, he's really playing well overall. A great compliment to Kronwall. Edited June 13, 2009 by Jersey Wing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djt813 0 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Stu had a bad game, and it came at the worst time. For the most part I think he had a good playoffs. Same here. Excellent post. Further agreed, no more can we blame Erickson for blocking a pass and then letting Staal get the rebound. Overall team wasn't hungry enough, Pitt wanted it more, and we didn't get a bounce or a call in our favor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeowingsfan 16 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 I think Stuart is taking what happened pretty hard without us riding his ass. He knows that this was maybe his worst game he's ever played in a Wings jersey. He'll come through for us next season don't worry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djt813 0 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 In a game like this, everything is magnified so Stuart's going to get a lot of sh!t for his 2 big mistakes that seriously hurt us, but in the end we did lose as a team I think it was more our depth guys didn't come through and theirs did- all their goals in games 6 & 7 were from Staal, Kennedy, and Talbot, and all we could get was one each from freakin' Draper and Ericsson Hudler, Samuelsson, Cleary, guys that all scored in last year's finals all had very quiet series this time around, and it of course would have been nice if Hossa hadn't completely disappeared Sometimes I think our depth hurt us in that the big guns maybe didn't feel enough pressure to score, that it was OK if they didn't b/c the depth would bail them out, which worked for awhile, but in the end of course caught up with us You may have a very good point. I thing I defended them for a while, but the reality they didn't step up much. There was way way way too much 3rd & 4th line scoring and not enough big names making big plays. Still won't chalk all our loss up to our failures with so many horrific calls leading directly to Pens goals, but we definitely didn't overcome the calls like we did in Ducks & Hawks series. Overall good season & would have liked to see what we could do with some justice in the calls each way... we'll be back next year, as we always are! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
datterberg1340 626 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 You may have a very good point. I thing I defended them for a while, but the reality they didn't step up much. There was way way way too much 3rd & 4th line scoring and not enough big names making big plays. Still won't chalk all our loss up to our failures with so many horrific calls leading directly to Pens goals, but we definitely didn't overcome the calls like we did in Ducks & Hawks series. Overall good season & would have liked to see what we could do with some justice in the calls each way... we'll be back next year, as we always are! Yeah I did feel the Pens got very fortunate with the way the Finals were called b/c even Bylsma said they tried to copy what Anaheim did to us with all the subtle interference and late hits and they pretty well knew they would get away with a lot of it, I mean Matt Cooke and Hal Gill and Kunitz were total punks the entire series and none of them served more than a couple of minors, that and I think we were just too banged up by the time the Finals started, damn Conan O'Brien taking over for Leno, couldn't he have waited another week or two? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puertoricanWingsfan 5 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Was Brad Stuart a good defenseman for most of the year/playoffs? yes. Did he make some great plays? yes. Does he play at a level that deserves a place on our roster? yes. However. Two simple mistakes by Brad Stuart contributed very strongly to us losing this game. That is why he deserves the s*** he's getting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flip 5 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) Funny thread. It's Stuart's fault! It's Stuart's fault! How about Osgood making the save he should've made on goal #2 and we'd be likely celebrating right now. Talbot was shooting all the way. That was obvious. Osgood was too far to his right and left way too much net to Talbot's right - so, so easy to pick, which he did. Did noone see the guys faces right after? Did no-one 'hear' the crowds silence? That was the turning point in the game. And this coming from me - who stood by him all season while he was called a bum around here. Down 1-0, you are only thinking, one goal - one, and we're tied. But down two? f***. Now we need to score three to win. Big difference in your mindset. Ozzie needed to make that save and he didn't. What a long ******* summer .... It was a mix of Stuart and Osgood that caused the Wings to lose. First goal was the fault of Stuart and the linesman who failed to call blatant icing. Second goal was Stuart's poorly-timed pinch and Osgood's decision to leave the far side open for a RIGHT HANDED SHOOTER coming in on the LEFT SIDE. Where'd you think he was going to shoot, Chris? Short side? And you're a professional goalie in the NHL? Edited June 13, 2009 by flip Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotty99 302 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Sorry couldn't help it... Lame chop but you get the idea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWings 79 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Down 1-0, you are only thinking, one goal - one, and we're tied. But down two? f***. Now we need to score three to win. Big difference in your mindset. That's because we were out of gas. For Wings 2008 cup healthy team, coming back in 30min from a 2 goal deficit was nothing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Copenhagen848 58 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 You people that call yourselves fans are amazing....blame the entire game on one player? Gimmie a break! He had a bad night, but the whole team sucked last night with the exception of a select few. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotty99 302 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 You people that call yourselves fans are amazing....blame the entire game on one player? Gimmie a break! He had a bad night, but the whole team sucked last night with the exception of a select few. I would never blame the whole game on him but he was undeniably a huge factor in the outcome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stiffy 0 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) Whatever Stuart did or did not do all season or playoffs, he absolutely made hugely costly and dumb ass plays and though you may not be able to deal with it, you bet your ass he knows it. You guys might as well be his wife making all these excuses for him. He obviously can't deal with Game 7 pressure. Though no goals came from it, can anyone say his slashing penalty showed Game 7 discipline and focus? How about Game 2 discipline and focus? It was stupidity. He absolutely should know better. WHy didn't he? Who cares. No excuse. His give away for goal 1 was pathetic. Perhaps had he worked a little harder to get to the puck in the first place it wouldn't have been an issue, but to then make a limp wristed "pass" directly into TWO Penns! Okay, was the game over at this point (or the bad pinch for goal 2?)? In retrospect yes it was. And anyone who things being a fan means you can't call a guy out for playing like crap, get real. Who the hell are you to say who is or isn't a fan. The lowest form of life in sports is not the fair weather fan, but the Homer! As far as I'm concerned I would be happy never seeing him in a Wings jersey ever again. Just like Jason Bonehead Williams and his pure stupidity that cost us with the Ducks. Unforgivable and get the f*** out of here. I know it won't happen, but it would not make me sad. Edited June 13, 2009 by Stiffy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Stuart was one of our best defensemen all spring, but he was completely to blame for the two goals. As soon as he took the puck behind the net and had two guys closing on him, I knew what was going to happen. Before he even passed the puck, I had seen this boneheaded play committed by the Wings before, I said "don't" and thats all I could get out before he did exactly what I know he would. That goes up the boards, Wings recover the puck, Pens maybe don't score first, etc. etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stiffy 0 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Here is Babcock explaining the loss: "I thought we competed, and I thought we tried. But I never thought we got to the level we'd have liked to. We started good tonight, took a penalty. Then we had two crucial turnovers in the second period, and they scored." Took a penalty: Stuart Two crucial turnovers: Stuart and Stuart No mystery here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted June 13, 2009 I think the worst thing he did was probably taking that penalty. Kronner had just laid a big hit that could be turned into a momentum surge for the Wings, and what does Stuart do? He slashes Malkin's stick in a completely harmless situation. He wasn't the only one who needed to be better out there, but he made 3 (THREE) big mistakes that probably accounted for atleast 80% of why the Wings lost. Take away any of those three mistakes and this game could have ended differently. Sucks that he couldn't handle the pressure. Some players just can't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Winged Wheel 0 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 You people that call yourselves fans are amazing....blame the entire game on one player? Gimmie a break! He had a bad night, but the whole team sucked last night with the exception of a select few. Blame the entire game on one player? Yeah, pretty much. It pretty much was his fault. Just because we blame the guy that deserves to get blamed, "we're not fans?". Give ME a break. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 I have been away from all things media lately.... so does anyone know why they waived off the icing on that play where Brad coughed it up? its not like any player could touch it up in the air on that lob and Brad was the first one back to lay a stick on it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 Brutal giveaway on the first goal, JUST go up the wall for Gawds sake! Then a bad pinch to give them the 2 on 1! He didn't handle pressure of game 7 very well.. Goodbye. We scored a combined 2 goals in Game 6 and 7. That's why we lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OsGOD 3 Report post Posted June 15, 2009 We scored a combined 2 goals in Game 6 and 7. That's why we lost. true dat! and thats exactly why the pens lost games 1 and 2 as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
