FunkedUp 29 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 I am sick of looking at trade propsals for these players so people need to stop. Raf - NTC and he's not going to wave it... I don't know why people don't get this. Plus I remember him being pretty high on the defenseman points list in the regular season. Stuart - Is an anchor to our top4 and fits well. Plays a physical game and is a testament to our depth. Draper/Maltby/Holmstrom - Loyality. They all want #5 and aren't retiring until their contracts are up. No way Kenny trades any of them. Filppula - Kenny and Babs love him and have faith. He reminds me of a young Pavel, plus he just led our team in assists these playoffs. 29 other teams would kill to have this defensively responsible player center their team. Let the disagreements begin!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 I am sick of looking at trade propsals for these players so people need to stop. Raf - NTC and he's not going to wave it... I don't know why people don't get this. Plus I remember him being pretty high on the defenseman points list in the regular season. Stuart - Is an anchor to our top4 and fits well. Plays a physical game and is a testament to our depth. Draper/Maltby/Holmstrom - Loyality. They all want #5 and aren't retiring until their contracts are up. No way Kenny trades any of them. Filppula - Kenny and Babs love him and have faith. He reminds me of a young Pavel, plus he just led our team in assists these playoffs. 29 other teams would kill to have this defensively responsible player center their team. Let the disagreements begin!!! Flips replaceable. I don't care if he reminds you of Pavel, it's still an absurd comparison. Pavel looked like a potential superstar right out of the gate. Flip absolutely does not. He's terrible at finishing plays. And again, it's not a total knock on the guy, but he's the highest paid player that's replaceable and that'll be easier to do in 2010/11. Keeping Hossa would mean far more to this team long-term than keeping Flip. If you have to sacrifice him and what he brings to his role for a year, it's worth it. We can refill it in 2010/11. And you said it best, 29 other teams would love to have him. That's why if we need to shed some space, he'll go. He'll bring the biggest return of any of our guys that can be traded. And Stuart has a NTC for next season. Draper/Maltby/Holmstrom - exactly, they won't be moved. That's why Flip probably will if we keep Hossa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soultrain 43 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 agreed. this forum is set up for fans...all the fans are mad and looking for blame. it is easy to point the finger in a bunch of directions. the golden moldies get the first eyeball. fact is the team was beat to s***..tired and couldn't do it. Im just happy ozzy can't take them blame this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 Draper/Maltby/Holmstrom - Loyality. They all want #5 and aren't retiring until their contracts are up. No way Kenny trades any of them. Okay, at first I thought they wanted Lidstrom or the "C" or something. Then i realized that you were talking about Cups!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paolino99 5 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 I am sick of looking at trade propsals for these players so people need to stop. Raf - NTC and he's not going to wave it... I don't know why people don't get this. Plus I remember him being pretty high on the defenseman points list in the regular season. Stuart - Is an anchor to our top4 and fits well. Plays a physical game and is a testament to our depth. Draper/Maltby/Holmstrom - Loyality. They all want #5 and aren't retiring until their contracts are up. No way Kenny trades any of them. Filppula - Kenny and Babs love him and have faith. He reminds me of a young Pavel, plus he just led our team in assists these playoffs. 29 other teams would kill to have this defensively responsible player center their team. Let the disagreements begin!!! I totally agree.. Flip is great young responsible skilled centre Draps Malts & Homer are the team soul.. a lot of experience Stuart: is possible to make two mistakes,he's a good d-man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 Rafalski and Stuart aren't going to be traded, so it's a non-issue, but an NTC, as if often clarified, isn't really a way to prevent a player from being traded so much as preventing a player from being traded to a team he doesn't like. If acceptable accommodations are made a player would waive his NTC; nobody wants to play for a team that expressly doesn't want them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 Holland would be a maroon to not consider trading Filppula. Hudler and Flip are in the exact same boat, and both are being gauged for trade value, I guarantee it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dimaline312000 51 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 I don't see a need to trade Holmsy, Drapes or Malts. Yes they are getting older but they weren't why the Wing lost this past season. The team was just way to tired and to injured. Raf and Stuart are good solid D-men. I will admit I didn't like that it was Sturat's doing that caused the Game 7 two goals by the Pens but he isn't the reason the team couldn't Win. As for Filps, I think he would be great trade bait. Either for picks or to fill another hole somewhere. I can see Filps being traded this off-season, I'm not saying he WILL be but I can see if the Wings need to free some cap and want to re-sign Hossa than Filps and Huds are pretty much gone. Just becasue some of our guys are getting older doesn't mean we need to kick them to the curb just yet. I see all of them finishing out their contracts and retiring as Detroit Red Wings. They may drop down a line or two to give players like Helm and Abdelkader and Leino if we keep him a chance at sparking the team. I agree, stop saying stuff like that becasue it's not going to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 Who is supposed to replace Filppulla? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown12 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 Who is supposed to replace Filppulla? Well, according to some people, anybody would be able to replace him. Hell, I guess you or I could replace him. It's not like Flip lead the team, along with Z, in assists in the playoffs or anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey13Playa 240 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 I am sick of looking at trade propsals for these players so people need to stop. Raf - NTC and he's not going to wave it... I don't know why people don't get this. Plus I remember him being pretty high on the defenseman points list in the regular season. Stuart - Is an anchor to our top4 and fits well. Plays a physical game and is a testament to our depth. Draper/Maltby/Holmstrom - Loyality. They all want #5 and aren't retiring until their contracts are up. No way Kenny trades any of them. Filppula - Kenny and Babs love him and have faith. He reminds me of a young Pavel, plus he just led our team in assists these playoffs. 29 other teams would kill to have this defensively responsible player center their team. Let the disagreements begin!!! Raf - Agree. Stuart - Agree. Draper/Maltby/Holmstrom - Agree. Filppula - Disagree. Flip could be traded if Kenny decides to resign Hossa. As much as the wings management may like him, he could, not will, but could be on the way out. It comes down to simple solution. Hossa>>>Filppula. I'd love for him to stay tho, let Sammy go, and get something for Hudler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown12 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 Flips replaceable. I don't care if he reminds you of Pavel, it's still an absurd comparison. Pavel looked like a potential superstar right out of the gate. Flip absolutely does not. He's terrible at finishing plays. And again, it's not a total knock on the guy, but he's the highest paid player that's replaceable and that'll be easier to do in 2010/11. Keeping Hossa would mean far more to this team long-term than keeping Flip. If you have to sacrifice him and what he brings to his role for a year, it's worth it. We can refill it in 2010/11. And you said it best, 29 other teams would love to have him. That's why if we need to shed some space, he'll go. He'll bring the biggest return of any of our guys that can be traded. And Stuart has a NTC for next season. Draper/Maltby/Holmstrom - exactly, they won't be moved. That's why Flip probably will if we keep Hossa. Let's not forget that Flip was tied for the team lead in assists in the playoffs along with Henrik freaking Zetterberg. I think that is a testament to his playmaking ability. It's really not that absurd of a comparison that Flip is a young Datsyuk. If you remember, Datsyuk was a pass first, shoot second guy early in his career, just like Flip. Babs and Kenny have been saying that Flip needs to shoot more, just as they said about Dats early on. Also, Flip is smaller and gets pushed around a little bit, not a lot though. Same thing happened to Dats early on until he bulked up a little bit and started to do the pushing. Also, both Flip and Dats have great puck handling skills and are able to shift their bodies on a dime. Flip's Superman goal shows off that skill perfectly. Kenny and Babs believe in him, which has been seen by their refusal to trade him. Flip fits perfectly with Hossa and he will only become a better and stronger player over time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOwl 77 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 If Holland does trade Flipulla, who the hell is Hossa going to play with? Him and Datysuk played terribly together in the play-offs, and the only guys Hossa could even get it going with was Franzen and Flipulla. Flipulla fits into the system to well as a 3rd line center, and his potential to become a star is much higher then anyone currently in the roster, including Helm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaymz99 2 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 It was in the Sunday FreePress that Homer and Malts are not going anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 Flips replaceable. I don't care if he reminds you of Pavel, it's still an absurd comparison. Pavel looked like a potential superstar right out of the gate. Flip absolutely does not. He's terrible at finishing plays. And again, it's not a total knock on the guy, but he's the highest paid player that's replaceable and that'll be easier to do in 2010/11. Keeping Hossa would mean far more to this team long-term than keeping Flip. If you have to sacrifice him and what he brings to his role for a year, it's worth it. We can refill it in 2010/11. And you said it best, 29 other teams would love to have him. That's why if we need to shed some space, he'll go. He'll bring the biggest return of any of our guys that can be traded. And Stuart has a NTC for next season. Draper/Maltby/Holmstrom - exactly, they won't be moved. That's why Flip probably will if we keep Hossa. Take a look at some of Flip's goals and tell me he is a terrible finisher. He is an awesome finisher, he just doesn't get very many chances. If flip leaves who are you going to have center the second line? Draper? Helm? Get real. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 Here I was worried about the GM not being on the LGW site to take advice and BAM! there he is oping this thread. Seriously, it is really annoying when people make ridiculous trade proposal's. What is more annoying that some bossy, teacher type makes an entire thread telling people what to do! Mind your buisness if you don't like it don't read it, debate it or whatever but starting an entire thread telling people not to do it makes you annoying and you waste your time cause it is not gonna stop... That being said, Mommy if I clean my room can I have a cookie after dinner??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceMunkee 15 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 Also... Here is what we know, Hossa has been offered a contract. Which means 1 or 2 players will be leaving the team. So a couple of your "untouchables" are very touchable... I agree though Raf and Homer and Draper and Stuart are not going anywhere, it is silly to even suggest that Stewie and Raf get traded. They are very good defenders. I wish people in the D were less wishy washy then they are now! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 Also... Here is what we know, Hossa has been offered a contract. Which means 1 or 2 players will be leaving the team. So a couple of your "untouchables" are very touchable... I agree though Raf and Homer and Draper and Stuart are not going anywhere, it is silly to even suggest that Stewie and Raf get traded. They are very good defenders. I wish people in the D were less wishy washy then they are now! About Stuart and rafi, I think more so people are looking for ways to fit Hossa and the griffins under the cap. a neat little note on Holmstrom, I flew to Chicago yesterday and got to sit with Homer. His wife and 3 kids were in first class and he was in row 6 right next to me! Didn't chat too much about the season (figured he didn't want to talk about the disappointment) just told him like, you guys had a great season, almost won it, shouldn't feel bad, etc... He was connecting to a flight to Sweden for a family trip back home. Very very nice guy, didn't want to tell him he should retire, I enjoyed the opportunity just to be friendly with him. Not a lot of people recognized him. The flight attendants knew who he was, of course a few others did, but they didn't bother him at all on the flight. Besides the few words we exchanged, he pretty much just looked through the inflight magazine with his headphones on. It was only a 44 minute flight so not much could be talked about. Cool guy, made the flight a little nicer sice we were packed in a little DC-9... Sounds just as funny in person as he does talking to the media. BTW, in reference to an earlier thread, he is also intimidated by the size of Katrina Hancock! LOL! But says she is a very nice person to deal with... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) Seeing as how the Wings are right up against the Cap, I think Holland will let Hossa and Samuelsson walk...Lilja traded, Chelios is gone and so is Conklin. If Abdelkader can play 3rd line minutes in Detroit then it makes sense to keep him on the team rather than return to Grand Rapids for 1 more season. Hudler should get more minutes and Holmstrom should get less minutes. A 4th line/PP role is where he should be. Helm is ready to be our 3rd line centre. Z and D should be re-united with Hossa gone. Kopecky is re-signed because he's dirt cheap and we need to be under the Cap. Meech stays and Lilja goes only because of the Cap. Howard gets his shot at back-up goalie. Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Cleary Franzen-Filppula-Hudler Abdelkader-Helm-Leino Maltby-Draper-Holmstrom Kopecky Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Stuart Lebda-Ericsson Meech Osgood-Howard Edited June 18, 2009 by Hatethedrake! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UKWING 8 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 well the wings are trying to re-sign hossa and they cannot do that without trading ~$3m worth of salary away - presumably that would mean flip, stuart, kronwall or rafalski. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 I can't believe people want to trade Filppula he was one of our most consistent players in the playoffs both this year and last year. He really is a great two-way player and plays a lot like Zetterberg, he'll be a bargin @ 3 mill cap hit in a year or 2 if he isn't already that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted June 18, 2009 well the wings are trying to re-sign hossa and they cannot do that without trading ~$3m worth of salary away - presumably that would mean flip, stuart, kronwall or rafalski. I've thought about this scenario as well and came up with... Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Hossa Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Abdelkader-Helm-Leino Maltby-Draper-Neil Kopecky Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Stuart Lebda-Ericsson Meech Osgood-Howard This means that Samuelsson, Filppula and Hudler are gone and Hossa stays. In my other line-up without Hossa in it, I have Holmstrom on the 4th line. However in this one, I have Homer staying with Hossa and Dats on the 1st line. It seems Homer can only play on the first or fourth line. I guess it depends on where his game is. Was it all the injuries which caused him to be so ineffective in the playoffs? Or old age and wear and tear? Losing Flip to make room for Hossa would give us the Cap space to sign Neil for around 1 mil IF Hossa accepts a deal with a 4m Cap hit. Holland has some tough decisions to make. You are correct though. If Hossa stays, Flip goes. Along with Huds and Sammy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DYags 0 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 well the wings are trying to re-sign hossa and they cannot do that without trading ~$3m worth of salary away - presumably that would mean flip, stuart, kronwall or rafalski. I feel like Kenny is more likely to let players like Hudler, Sammy, Meech and Cheli go to drop salary than trade away any of our top line guys. He's a creative guy. He'll keep the core players together and build from the bottom up. Personally, I think Stuart is overpaid and would like to see him traded to drop salary, but I just don't see it happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted June 18, 2009 I can't believe people want to trade Filppula he was one of our most consistent players in the playoffs both this year and last year. He really is a great two-way player and plays a lot like Zetterberg, he'll be a bargin @ 3 mill cap hit in a year or 2 if he isn't already that. You know, I go back and forth with it. I really like Flip. I also really like Hossa despite his non effectiveness in the playoffs. He is still an elite level winger in his prime. I guess it comes down to who you want more. Hossa or Flip? If I can get Hossa at a bargain Cap hit, I choose him. If Hossa wants more than the Wings can spend then I take Flip. I do not believe Flip is anywhere near Zetterberg's league. However he is still an excellent player to have on your team at a reasonable salary. My gut says Holland lets Hossa walk and keeps Flip. We'll know soon enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
