tdinc 45 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 I find this disturbing & sad http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282253 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Green Wing 26 Report post Posted June 18, 2009 Number 9 is a class act. End of story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckeyeWingsfan80 209 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 I find this disturbing & sad http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282253 If Gordie freakin Howe says Cindy is a good kid, I'll believe him. Doesn't mean I like the little bastard though.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 Wow. Gordie Howe agrees with me. I must be doing something right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlakChamber 8 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 I propose the Red Wings take down Gordie's number from the rafters as punishment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotty99 302 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 I propose the Red Wings take down Gordie's number from the rafters as punishment. careful, some members here would probably agree with you! (i know your being sarcastic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winged_Wheeler 3 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 It's because Cindy's a good 'ol Canadian boy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 Howe may mean it, but he's Mr. Hockey, folks. I don't think he's going to trash talk the face of the NHL when Howe himself is the legend of the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) After Howe talked to Sidney, who just walked away without saying anything... "I just grinned and said, `That takes me back to the days where I used to hide,"' Howe said. "That's because I was afraid I might say something wrong... The first time I met Wayne Gretzky . . . he never said anything back," Howe said. "The second time, we couldn't shut him up. Sorry Gordie, you might be the best ever, but Crosby is probably not awe-struck by you and might just think he is better. Gretzky first met Gordie when he was a teenager and utterly idolized Howe, and most likely was too awe-struck to say a word. I highly doubt Sidney at 21, with a Hart, Art Ross and Stanley Cup under his belt and 20 years removed was feeling the same way. Edited June 19, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skacore 2 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 god it's embarrassing that people are still talking about this s*** a week later.... let it go.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedisappearer 291 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 After Howe talked to Sidney, who just walked away without saying anything... Sorry Gordie, you might be the best ever, but Crosby is probably not awe-struck by you and might just think he is better. Gretzky first met Gordie when he was a teenager and utterly idolized Howe, and most likely was too awe-struck to say a word. I highly doubt Sidney at 21, with a Hart, Art Ross and Stanley Cup under his belt and 20 years removed was feeling the same way. Sadly, +1. Maybe Crosby "knows" hockey history, but I don;t think a lot of players do. I'm not blaming Sid, I'm blaming... I dunno... someone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Diamonds 25 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 He's teaching Crosby a lesson. He said he is a great kid when he keeps his mouth shut basicly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) Sadly, +1. Maybe Crosby "knows" hockey history, but I don;t think a lot of players do. I'm not blaming Sid, I'm blaming... I dunno... someone else. I wouldn't be too shocked that if Crosby did know any Howe stats he was thinking to himself, "Man, I've already had more 100+ pt seasons by the time I was 21 than this old guy had in his entire career. Who is he to give me advice??" These guys are different than in Howe's and even Gretzky's day. Crosby was an instant millionaire as a teenager and was plastered across posters across North America. He is surrounded by sycophants who tell him how great he is every day. Howe had to work a second job and Gretzky simply grew up in a different time when kids really did idolize sports heroes. Edited June 19, 2009 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 I find this disturbing & sad http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282253 Well his opinion is based in reality... I mean you can't fault the guy for calling it the way he sees it. I'd rather Gordie kept speaking his mind than trumpet the company line (assuming dissing Crosby is the company line, which it isn't- Lidstrom said it wasn't a big deal and I'd bet my last cent Holland would do the classy thing and say not to worry about it too). Guys like Z and Draper were standing up for Lidstrom when he was slighted. And Crosby did slight Lidstrom, there's no doubting that a more mature captain would respect his opponent and go shake hands like everyone else does. A captain is expected to shake his opponent's hand at the end of the game- to make the classy gesture and follow tradition like that. That's the captain's job. If anything this just shows that Crosby was too young to wear the C. He's great at the whole hockey thing, but he didn't make his team look very respectful or classy by treating Lidstrom like that, whether he did it intentionally or not. When you wear the C you can't use the "just a kid, I'll learn" excuse, you have to act like the captain of your team. All that being said, I don't think Crosby was being malicious, just immature. He's not a bad guy, he's just not the most mature kid in the dressing room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 After Howe talked to Sidney, who just walked away without saying anything... Sorry Gordie, you might be the best ever, but Crosby is probably not awe-struck by you and might just think he is better. Gretzky first met Gordie when he was a teenager and utterly idolized Howe, and most likely was too awe-struck to say a word. I highly doubt Sidney at 21, with a Hart, Art Ross and Stanley Cup under his belt and 20 years removed was feeling the same way. True. It'd be more fitting if that story had Yzerman talking to an awstruck Crosby. Note that Crosby worshiped Yzerman growing up... the area he played hockey in (Cole Harbour) has their uniforms modeled on the Red Wings (including the wheel). Funny enough, my local club used the Ducks jersey (but not the logo). So whenever I saw Crosby he was playing against the team I was cheering for but wearing the uniform of the NHL team I liked and our side wore the colours of the Wings' current arch enemy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drake_Marcus 890 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 I wouldn't be too shocked that if Crosby did know any Howe stats he was thinking to himself, "Man, I've already had more 100+ pt seasons by the time I was 21 than this old guy had in his entire career. Who is he to give me advice??" These guys are different than in Howe's and even Gretzky's day. Crosby was an instant millionaire as a teenager and was plastered across posters across North America. He is surrounded by sycophants who tell him how great he is every day. Howe had to work a second job and Gretzky simply grew up in a different time when kids really did idolize sports heroes. In that case, Howe should just carry a sack around with him that contains 801 NHL pucks and ~170 WHA pucks in it. Smack the kid with it and say "1000 professional goals *****". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 Gordie's not going to trash him one way or another. I'm not saying he's holding back, just saying. I don't get as worked up about Crosby as many around here and I haven't gotten caught up in the handshake thing. While I think it's a bit lame, I get how it could happen. I don't like it, but I don't really hold it against him. The bigger issue with Crosby and Bettman for that matter as I was saying last night is that even if they're doing their primary jobs right, their PR is awful. They can't sell themselves to the public to save their lives. Crosby can't find a way to shake the "whiny spoiled brat" fumes that follow him around. Even when he's keeping it pretty chill, he still hasn't figured out how to be chill enough to keep people from thinking of him in the worst light. I'm not saying he chose to be the center of attention and I don't know how much he really enjoys it, but he absolutely shouldn't be the face of the league given the way he presents himself to the public. Compare him to Ovechkin. Even when Ovechkin's being obnoxious, at the very least it's entertaining. He's a funny guy. On a bad day he's far more personable and likable than Crosby on a good day. Again, right, wrong, good, bad, Ovechkin is entertaining. He also happens to be one of the best players in the game. He's easily among the NHL's top 5 guys and at that level, it's tough to narrow it down any further. He's just great. While it'd be easy to transition to Bettman hear and focus on the stupid decision to elevate Crosby over someone like Ovie, I'll again focus on a more fundamental critique. Bettman's as bad or worse than George Bush was at selling an idea to the public. It doesn't matter if you have great or horrible ideas if you can sell them to the public so it's not even worth debating policy. A guy with such horrible rapport with the media and fans should not be commissioner of the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EuroTwin 240 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) "He's too damn shy," Howe said. "He never said a word, never blinked." My god, Crosby is a Zombie-robot-alien! This explains it all! Edited June 19, 2009 by EuroTwin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 Crosby can't find a way to shake the "whiny spoiled brat" fumes that follow him around. Even when he's keeping it pretty chill, he still hasn't figured out how to be chill enough to keep people from thinking of him in the worst light. I'm not saying he chose to be the center of attention and I don't know how much he really enjoys it, but he absolutely shouldn't be the face of the league given the way he presents himself to the public Hey, what can you expect from an overhyped, overexposed, and vastly overrated celebrity like Crosby? Pretty soon he'll get to meet another overhyped, overexposed, and vastly overrated celebrity - Barack Obama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theophany 110 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 In that case, Howe should just carry a sack around with him that contains 801 NHL pucks and ~170 WHA pucks in it. Smack the kid with it and say "1000 professional goals *****". This is way OT, but that would be a really really heavy sack. Hell, just like 100-200 pucks is heavy as s***. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) I find it disturbing and sad that people are still all up in arms about this a week or two later. I apologize for me sounding like I'm bringing out the "I'm holier than thou" attitude but it is really pitiful. I know hating Crosby is like a national pasttime for some and it is "fun", but when does it end? What excuse will people come up with next to not like him? That he doesn't cut his fingernails every week? That he doesn't use the right kind of shampoo conditioner? It's just a handshake, it's not like he was flipping people the bird. And it's just like Lebron when he didn't shake hands with Magic players when the Cavs were eliminated early. People are making way too big a deal out of this than necessary and are acting stupid. Yes both should have shook hands with the teams or remembered or whatever. Both didn't. Whatever, that doesn't make them any less of people. Both stories people need to move on from. Both stories are so lame overall they shouldn't even be stories. Just another example of media trying to reach for something that barely/isn't even there. If it weren't Crosby and James doing this, no story would exist. EDIT: Maybe my first blurb is a little bit harsh, but honestly I'm just so sick and tired of hearing about Crosby period in one way or another. I have absolutely nothing against him but the overhyping of him, along with people who take that overhype and just go beyond the deep end for ways to dislike him (I understand disdain to a degree but like above, when does it stop and people start sounding really stupid) makes me not care if I ever hear his name ever again. Edited June 19, 2009 by SouthernWingsFan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MidMichSteve 1,115 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) I find it disturbing and sad that people are still all up in arms about this a week or two later. I apologize for me sounding like I'm bringing out the "I'm holier than thou" attitude but it is really pitiful. I know hating Crosby is like a national pasttime for some and it is "fun", but when does it end? Evidently a lot of people agree with you. It's just a handshake, it's not like he was flipping people the bird. And it's just like Lebron when he didn't shake hands with Magic players when the Cavs were eliminated early. People are making way too big a deal out of this than necessary and are acting stupid. Yes both should have shook hands with the teams or remembered or whatever. Both didn't. Whatever, that doesn't make them any less of people. The discussions are about their character. They were disrespectful to longtime traditions. I believe it does make them less of a person. Edited June 19, 2009 by MidMichSteve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 I get that they are "traditions". They goofed up, but this isn't like they flipped people off, started a fight, got in a DUI accident or whatever. It's done and nobody is hurt or suspended or whatever. I think it is silly to question character of this in an overanalyzed fashion. When do people move on from this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 I get that they are "traditions". They goofed up, but this isn't like they flipped people off, started a fight, got in a DUI accident or whatever. It's done and nobody is hurt or suspended or whatever. I think it is silly to question character of this in an overanalyzed fashion. When do people move on from this? It's a generation thing. I am now 33, and I can tell you in sports we revered the older players and quite enthusiastically went through whatever hazing they would put us through and went out of our way to adhere to every single tradition there was, even if the said "tradition" was made up on the spot. As I got older, this was in the mid-90s, things shifted. Kids were being taught to be individuals, to stand up for themselves, resist peer pressure, etc... all not bad in of itself, but I can tell you the younger kids had about zero respect for tradition, no matter how slight or great it was, and you can forget about it regarding the hazing -- most of which has since been systematically squashed by schools and colleges across North America. I have talked to numerous other athletes about this, and all have noticed that same divide or generational gap. Yeah, it's not a big deal, especially not to Crosby. But it is a big freakin' deal to most older athletes who have always placed a ton of value on tradition -- I guarantee you Draper was literally outraged when he heard that -- it would have been inconceivable to me as an athlete to skip out on a tradition like that, as a captain, no matter what was going on at the time. In the scheme of things - this is not really an issue at all, whatsoever - but it was reason enough for some Red Wings players to be upset at the time, and reason enough for me to be annoyed by Crosby, and reason enough for it to be a conversation on a message board. When I was in sports, that kind of thing really bothered me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted June 19, 2009 Understood. I definitely respect tradition. In the heat of the moment right when/after it's going to happen, emotionals will be different obviously. One side is on the biggest high, the other the biggest low. In the grand scheme of things once the game/emotions have pretty much setttled, both sides in this case I think need to come to an agreement. Crosby or the young people in this case trying to be a little more aware of it, and the older generation realizing that times are changing. Neither side is right/wrong, sensitive/insensitive, it just is what it is. In the grand scheme of things though and a week/two after this has happened, this still has gotten more press than necessary to me since plenty of other things are worse than forgetting a handshake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
