Why are pens fans mad?

[Echolalia 2,961]

When you think about it's quite interesting- Wings have 4 Cups since 1990- Pens have 3- if Pens win another one they are dead even as far as post Oiler domination is concerned.

If by "even" you mean "requires 7 more years to balance out the Cup count", then yes, we will definitely be even.

[Theophany 110]

When you think about it's quite interesting- Wings have 4 Cups since 1990- Pens have 3- if Pens win another one they are dead even as far as post Oiler domination is concerned.

4 in 20 years sure is the same as 5 in 7!

You're stupid.

[therock48880 14]

With regards to LGP, I don't think the Penguins are exactly all that popular with some posters on here, either. Penguins fans hate of Detroit is only fairly recent, and it isn't just about how Crosby performs (or is shut down) against them, there's a lot more to it than that. Directly vying for the Cup two years in a row has changed a lot of things. (I knew a lot of Pens fans in the 90s that loved Detroit, especially when they swept Washington in 1998.) :-)

But we definitely are very protective of Crosby in general. There's a lot of backlash that goes our way about Crosby for whatever reasons, but I think it probably bothers the fans more than it does Crosby himself. I think a lot of the complaints about whatever individual recognition Crosby doesn't get (all star, etc) has a lot to do with the "who is the league's best" pissing contest that goes on, which only means so much when hockey is a team sport. And you're right, I don't think Crosby is losing sleep over it.

Even the fact that the two teams have played two years in a row isn't really enough to hate a team, imo. Personally, I don't view the Pens as a rival. When I think of Red Wing rivals, the Ducks pop into my head immediately, but not the Pens. If the league was smart, they'd let them play more than twice in the regular season or find a way to get Detroit into the Eastern conference. THEN a GREAT rivalry could occur that would boost ratings.

So, let me ask you this, why are Pens fans so protective of Crosby, as you put it? Is it simply because of the hatred he faces around the league? Or is there more to it? I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just curious. If I went on LGP and started two threads, one stating that Crosby sucks and one stating that Malkin sucks, I feel like the Crosby thread would receive much more venom. I don't get it, especially considering that Malkin is the better player. (once again that wasn't meant to offend)

[egroen 384]

Lidstrom, Holmstrom, Maltby, Draper and McCarty were all on that '97 team.

[therock48880 14]

4 in 20 years sure is the same as 5 in 7!

You're stupid.

Who has won 5 in 7?

Edited June 23, 2009 by therock48880

[thegreat66 19]

4 in 20 years sure is the same as 5 in 7!

You're stupid.

LOL- am I missing something you guys have 4 Cups in last 20 years. IF Pens win next year that would be 2 Cups in 2 years as opposed to 2 Cups in 11 for the Wings. Just saying, since the Oilers domination ended the Wings and Pens have won more Cups than anyone else.

[Echolalia 2,961]

LOL- am I missing something you guys have 4 Cups in last 20 years. IF Pens win next year that would be 2 Cups in 2 years as opposed to 2 Cups in 11 for the Wings. Just saying, since the Oilers domination ended the Wings and Pens have won more Cups than anyone else.

97-98 -> 2 cups in 2 years

97-02 -> 3 cups in 6 years

97-08 -> 4 cups in 11 years (not 2)

91-92 -> 2 cups in 2 years (so far so good)

92-09 -> 3 cups in 19 years (not so good)

potentially 92-10 -> 4 cups in 20 years

How exactly is 4 cups in 20 years comparable to 4 cups in 11 years?

Also: The Devils won 3 cups between 95 and 03, so its not technically true that the WIngs and Pens won more Cups than anyone else since then. Wings; yes. Pens; still have some competition.

Edited June 23, 2009 by Echolalia

[egroen 384]

97-98 -> 2 cups in 2 years

97-02 -> 3 cups in 6 years

97-08 -> 4 cups in 11 years (not 2)

91-92 -> 2 cups in 2 years (so far so good)

92-09 -> 3 cups in 19 years (not so good)

potentially 92-10 -> 4 cups in 20 years

How exactly is 4 cups in 20 years comparable to 4 cups in 11 years?

And really - it is 4 Cups in 10 Seasons (with the lockout).

[Snazzy 0]

When you think about it's quite interesting- Wings have 4 Cups since 1990- Pens have 3- if Pens win another one they are dead even as far as post Oiler domination is concerned.

^ This proves my point. Pens fans think they are entitled to the "dynasty" and "Hockeytown" label because they won one cup in 17 years. Wings are on pace to take a cup every 3rd year (and if healthy, a cup every 2.4 years), while the Penguins are on pace to win the cup once every 17 years.

However, if Wings weren't so injured and already plagued by the "Stanely Cup Hangover", Pens would be on pace to win the cup once every... 21 years. Dynasty? Hardly.

Penguins are probably more mad at the facts than they are against the Red Wings... They're just jealous of the Red Wings. Can't really blame them since they are suppose to have the "worlds best players", who are average at best when faced against the Zetterberg's, Datsyuk's and Lidstrom's Red Wings....

Edited June 23, 2009 by Snazzy

[egroen 384]

This Penguins team has as much in common with the 91/92 teams as this current Red Wings team has with the Detroit Dynasty team of the 50s.

[C20lw 0]

All this talk of Stanly Cups, Dynastys, and Hockeytown are getting me really excited for next season...... and it not even July..... Damn you summer time... damn you....

I kind of agree, some Pens fans are upset. Expecting more than what they got after winning the cup. The Wings say congrats and well see you next year, no claiming they are the next dynasty. We don't think they are the dominating force in the NHL. Although they are an extremely tough team to play against and beat.

I really dont know what drives some fans to still be "mad" or "hate" the Wings/Detroit, maybe some people are just sore winners. Maybe they expected more people to praise their team or bow down to Crosby. And when noone really did, it made em realize they still have a bit to go before they can be the new "Dynasty" in the NHL.

Lets see what they can bring next year, and see if they can step into the big shoes they bought for themselves.

[Theophany 110]

Who has won 5 in 7?

The Oilers, who he was comparing their "dynasty" to.

BTW thegreat66, it's 4 in 11 for us; you start the count when the first Cup is won, and end it when the last Cup is won.

Otherwise, I could be like, "LOL 11 Cups in 77 years vs 3 for you!"

[thegreat66 19]

The Oilers, who he was comparing their "dynasty" to.

BTW thegreat66, it's 4 in 11 for us; you start the count when the first Cup is won, and end it when the last Cup is won.

Otherwise, I could be like, "LOL 11 Cups in 77 years vs 3 for you!"

LOL!!! Point taken- I don't have a comeback for that one, lol.

[Snazzy 0]

All this talk of Stanly Cups, Dynastys, and Hockeytown are getting me really excited for next season...... and it not even July..... Damn you summer time... damn you....

I kind of agree, some Pens fans are upset. Expecting more than what they got after winning the cup. The Wings say congrats and well see you next year, no claiming they are the next dynasty. We don't think they are the dominating force in the NHL. Although they are an extremely tough team to play against and beat.

I really dont know what drives some fans to still be "mad" or "hate" the Wings/Detroit, maybe some people are just sore winners. Maybe they expected more people to praise their team or bow down to Crosby. And when noone really did, it made em realize they still have a bit to go before they can be the new "Dynasty" in the NHL.

Lets see what they can bring next year, and see if they can step into the big shoes they bought for themselves.

I'm not expecting Penguins to make the playoffs next year... and if they somehow do manage to pull it off, they'll have a very short lived first round. I expect to see the Caps becoming the dominating force in the east for the next decade. Bruins will be a close 2nd (depending how they manage things).

[thegreat66 19]

I'm not expecting Penguins to make the playoffs next year... and if they somehow do manage to pull it off, they'll have a very short lived first round. I expect to see the Caps becoming the dominating force in the east for the next decade. Bruins will be a close 2nd (depending how they manage things).

Not expecting Pens to make playoffs. A bit extreme- 8 teams to finish ahead of them?

[Snazzy 0]

Another complaint that I read from Pens (on their boards) is Detroit always have players lining up to take discounts to be on a championship team for their best chance to win the cup. And current players sign way less than their market value to stay here. I remember reading a thread on Pens forum of fans crying that Franzen signed for so little and they think the NHL should stop Holland from doing this... that it's "cheating" and bad for the NHL. haha. I love it when they cry about the Red Wings.

Professional players want to be on a winning team over money. I think that's great and you can't blame them for wanting to be on a sure winning team that is built by the best management in the NHL.

[Theophany 110]

I'm not expecting Penguins to make the playoffs next year... and if they somehow do manage to pull it off, they'll have a very short lived first round. I expect to see the Caps becoming the dominating force in the east for the next decade. Bruins will be a close 2nd (depending how they manage things).

You're dreaming. The Caps don't have anything compared to the Pens. With Malkin, Crosby, and Fleury locked up, the Pens at least have a solid base to build on. I don't know the contract status of Orpik, but he was very solid for them on the blue line.

The Caps have what, Ovi, Kozlov, and Semin? Green doesn't count because all he can do is score goals from the blue line (and is pretty terrible in the defensive end).

Varlamov has potential, but I don't see the Caps going anywhere.

Then again, I see the Bruins being the force to contend with in the East if they can add a piece or two offensively this off season.

But yes, the Pens and the Caps will both make the post season next year.

[therock48880 14]

I'm not expecting Penguins to make the playoffs next year... and if they somehow do manage to pull it off, they'll have a very short lived first round. I expect to see the Caps becoming the dominating force in the east for the next decade. Bruins will be a close 2nd (depending how they manage things).

I think they'll take a beating in the regular season since everyone will have their "A" game when they play the Pens. I also expect a bit of a Stanley Cup hangover at some point in the year. However, I can't see them not making the playoffs.

[Snazzy 0]

You're dreaming. The Caps don't have anything compared to the Pens. With Malkin, Crosby, and Fleury locked up, the Pens at least have a solid base to build on. I don't know the contract status of Orpik, but he was very solid for them on the blue line.

The Caps have what, Ovi, Kozlov, and Semin? Green doesn't count because all he can do is score goals from the blue line (and is pretty terrible in the defensive end).

Varlamov has potential, but I don't see the Caps going anywhere.

Then again, I see the Bruins being the force to contend with in the East if they can add a piece or two offensively this off season.

But yes, the Pens and the Caps will both make the post season next year.

Which reinforces my point. Pens are spending (and imo overpaying) their 3 "top" players that takes up nearly half their cap. And lets be honest, their goalie is grossly overpaid, and he isn't really that good compared to lesser paid goalies in the league. If Pens have an injury, they're done.

I really think Caps and Bruins will be the team to beat in the east. But, you know as they say... opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. we'll see i guess.

[Free_Candy 38]

Even the fact that the two teams have played two years in a row isn't really enough to hate a team, imo. Personally, I don't view the Pens as a rival. When I think of Red Wing rivals, the Ducks pop into my head immediately, but not the Pens. If the league was smart, they'd let them play more than twice in the regular season or find a way to get Detroit into the Eastern conference. THEN a GREAT rivalry could occur that would boost ratings.

So, let me ask you this, why are Pens fans so protective of Crosby, as you put it? Is it simply because of the hatred he faces around the league? Or is there more to it? I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just curious. If I went on LGP and started two threads, one stating that Crosby sucks and one stating that Malkin sucks, I feel like the Crosby thread would receive much more venom. I don't get it, especially considering that Malkin is the better player. (once again that wasn't meant to offend)

Hey it's cool -- some Pens fans feel Malkin is a better player as well. I haven't really decided yet, myself. They both bring different things to the team and I am fine with either doing well. I don't really argue with Ovechkin being the league MVP though, because he carries the Caps moreso than Crosby or Malkin does the Penguins. I actually agree that while there is more animosity between Wings/Pens, it isn't nearly the same level of rivalry that you guys have with the Ducks, or we have with the Flyers and Capitals. I think the Cup finals are also a pretty special thing to just be a part of so the competition just feels different than at a conference or division level.

Anyway yeah I think the protectiveness has a lot to do with the fact that he gets so much attention, both good and bad. A lot of pressure has been put on Crosby from Pittsburgh's standpoint as far as what he's been expected to do for the club in a way that Malkin hasn't, so I guess that makes fans want to be protective of him from the outside. But I also think there's an automatic response programmed into our Penguin minds when someone brings up whether or not Malkin or Ovechkin is better because quite often, it's prefaced with the phrase "I hate Crosby!" or "Crosby sucks!" (I mean, I guess a player that is potentially better makes another one "suck"? ) So that's possibly another reason why we get jumpy about it. If someone like yourself is just offering an objective opinion and just talking strictly hockey rather than trash talking, I suppose people should just learn that they aren't out to "get Crosby" should not take it so personally.

I would like to see Malkin get more recognition for his game, but he actually doesn't care much for the spotlight and prefers being under the radar. The only problem is he's doing an awful lot in his game to make that less likely. :-)

Edited June 23, 2009 by Free_Candy

[chrisdetroit 189]

When you think about it's quite interesting- Wings have 4 Cups since 1990- Pens have 3- if Pens win another one they are dead even as far as post Oiler domination is concerned.

Now that is just stupid. Yea you have 3 cups in the last 19 years but 2 of the were 17 and 18 years ago.

Fact is the Pens have won ONE cup in 17 years.

And you are going to compare that to the 4 cups the Wings won in 12 years. We have not gone more than 5 years between cups.

The Pens went through a 17 year dryspell during which the team almost folded.

This is why Pens fans piss me off. Sorry but as much as you wish it, the Pens sucess in the last 17 years comes down to 1 loss in the finals and 1 cup won in a 7 game series to a team playing injured.

[MajorWingNut 0]

Pens fans crying about not having anything to cry about.....

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

Fact is the Pens have won ONE cup in 17 years.

Let's not forget about the "dynasty" of 2002-2006 (minus 2005).

[chrisdetroit 189]

You're dreaming. The Caps don't have anything compared to the Pens. With Malkin, Crosby, and Fleury locked up, the Pens at least have a solid base to build on. I don't know the contract status of Orpik, but he was very solid for them on the blue line.

The Caps have what, Ovi, Kozlov, and Semin? Green doesn't count because all he can do is score goals from the blue line (and is pretty terrible in the defensive end).

Varlamov has potential, but I don't see the Caps going anywhere.

Then again, I see the Bruins being the force to contend with in the East if they can add a piece or two offensively this off season.

But yes, the Pens and the Caps will both make the post season next year.

Your boy Fluery had a .908 save % and a 2.61 GAA in the playoffs. He was the 8th best goalie in the playoffs just above Khabibulin. I hope you aren't banking on him as part of this solid base.

If the Pens make the playoffs, I don't see them going far. They have 2 superstars and a mediocre goalie.

I expect Boston to come out of the East. Thy are a much deeper team that the Pens and have much better goaltending.

[chrisdetroit 189]

Let's not forget about the "dynasty" of 2002-2006 (minus 2005).

2008-2002 4 non-cup years

2002 - 1998 3 non-cup years

That's a bit less than the 17 Pittsburgh has

Oh but they are comprable! LMFAO