Why are pens fans mad?

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Poor loser? I said it before the playoffs even started that I didn't expect the Wings to pull off the cup back-2-back. I didn't expect the Wings to beat the Ducks and we did. If anything, I am a happy loser, because we made if much-much further than I predicted (due to Stanley cup hangover and drive), the Wings proved ME wrong! And I am grateful for being wrong.

Okay, good for you, and I'm glad they went past your expectations. I'm glad they made it as far as they did as well.

I'm so ******* proud of this team that I can hardly wait for the 2010 playoffs to start, let alone the regular season...

That's great that you are full of pride, but don't let that pride be a cause of you attacking other members, like you've done multiple times in this thread when other members weren't being disrespectful to you (or even the team).

Sure, nobody will know what the Red Wings endured, but I know what they endured. And they deserve all the respect in the world for it... from their fans. Not assholes who want to wallow in self pity because we lost, but because this team did the impossible.

Nobody will know what they endured, but you did? That kinda contradicts itself. They deserve respect and have gotten it I think. Again, please show us where fans have said they disrespected the Wings for not winning the Stanley Cup now that the smoke has cleared and everybody is pretty much past the immediate emotions after a game whether you are either so happy or so angry. I'm not seeing it.

Hollywood couldn't even make up a fictional story from what the Wings have overcome. I call it Miracle. And I love this team!

All right. I think pretty much every member in here that has a Red Wings related useraname on here loves this team. Even the ones whom you are obnoxiously getting on right now.

Dips*** just proved he's a bandwagon fan. Pathetic!

What's wrong with being a bandwagon fan? I didn't start watching much hockey until the mid-90s and started following the Wings in depth soon thereafter, not too long before they won a Cup in 1997. Does that make me a pathetic bandwagoner?

Are you really listening to yourself right now? You get on people's cases for understanding the basics in playoff hockey that sometimes thems the breaks when the other team plays better or injuries are a part of life or whatever else, but you are coming up with any excuse imaginable, legitimate or not, of why the Wings should've won or to validate that they are still the s**t.

Pittsrburgh still won though this time, and the Wings lost this time. No excuses, the Wings had their chances and they lost. The Penguins had their chances and they won.

We all know they are still the s**t, despite losing, and despite the Penguins winning. They are our team.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

no offense, but if the suspension would've happened (like it was suposed to until Bettman stepped in) then you're right, there would be no bearing on games 6 & 7, because in all likelyhood games 6 & 7 would've never been played. Without Malkin in game 3, Wings win, go up 3-0 and wrap it up in 5. But, alas, nobody wants to admit that with that ruling Gary Bettman helped Pitts win the Cup. Plain and simple... Doesn't have to be a conspiracy, doesn't have to be fixed, doesn't have to be Al Qaida. Bettman gave Pitt their best chance by recinding the instigator penalty, not suspending him, and allowing him to have assists on three goals in game 3, in turn "helping" Pits win the Cup...

If he was suspended game 3, there wouldn't have been a game 6 or 7. The cheating bastard had a point for every goal in gm3, remember?

I don't care about that.. I'm just saying that Wings not only endured major injuries, but also faced adversity in every aspect of the game and still game up 1mm short of forcing OT in game 7....

If anythings, Penguins should feel like s*** for allowing the series to go game 7 considering all the set backs Detroit was faced with...

I love this team more than anybody. Win or lose, I'm a fan for life. Always have been, always will be. Too bad there's posers on this boards pretending to be true loyal fans.

You all don't know this. It's just guesswork and assumptions.

The Wings were supposed to win game 4 of the 2007 WCF series against Anaheim with Chris Pronger being out, right? Advantage Wings, right? They didn't win that game.

Stop making excuses.

Wings had their chances just like the Penguins did regardless of injuries or scheduling and they didn't finish out. That doesn't make me any more/less of a fan than you. Save it.

[Statts 4]

Snazzy is inebriated me thinks...best stop while your behind dude.

[Theophany 110]

Fixed.

Fluery and the Penguins only saw 60% of what Red Wings are capable of. Not making excuses, it's just a fact. Fluery getting lucky against an injured team doesn't make him more savvy. I stand behind my stance, Fluery is over paid for what he is. Penguins "top" 3 players take up nearly half of their cap... I don't expect Penguins to go far in the playoffs. The east is beefing up, Penguins have to beef down due to money issues.

Do you honestly think that the Wings are the only team to play injured in the playoffs?

Like, honestly?

It doesn't matter that Fleury only saw "60%" ( that's a completely arbitrary number; had you based it on shots faced or actual data, I'd give it to you, but you're wrong) of what the Wings were capable of. There's no footnotes in this life, there are only winners and losers.

You don't get to put on your tombstone, "but I would have been a millionaire had I only had the money to go to Harvard!"

Let's be clear: Fleury played well enough to get his team through the regular season, and played well enough that they made the playoffs.

He played well enough to get his team into the SCF. He played well enough in a game 7 in Joe Louis Arena, where he had gotten shelled and PULLED the game before to win a Cup.

I could make the argument that 3-4 of our players take up a ton of our cap space, too. Lidstrom gets $7.45m, as did Hossa, Dats takes $6.7m, and Rafalski takes $6m.

How many points did those players put up in the SCF?

Every team has players that go on streaks. Every team has players that get injured.

But you have to give Fleury credit if you have more than two brain cells to rub together: he turned up huge for the Pens in Mellon arena and especially in game 7.

Sure, he may be overpaid, but c'mon, the guy is 24; you really think that he's NOT going to improve?

By the way, before you attack me for "not knowing what they're going through" etc, I've played hockey since I was 4 (I'm now almost 25), and I've played through strained muscles and a number of other injuries. I've played with a broken nose. I know how hard it is to play hurt, but the simple fact is that if you're hurt, you can either play or not play.

You don't get a handicap for playing injured.

[RedFX 48]

First off, calm the f*** down Snazzy.

Second: Yes, injuries aren't the main reason we lost this series. Defensive lapses at inopportune times, getting beat to the loose pucks, etc. are all key factors that led to our downfall. For that we have no one to blame but ourselves.

However, you would be naive to think injuries didn't play at least a small role. Besides the obvious reasons such as having Datsyuk out, injuries can hinder a player just enough to give the other team a half-step. If Rafalski was 100%, he may have got to a loose puck a split second earlier, winning the battle and clearing the puck; instead, a Pitt player has a slight step on him, he wins the puck, and sets up the game-winning goal. If Lidstrom was 100%, he may have gotten to that last rebound a moment sooner, and fired it past Fleury, tying the game.

Hockey is a game decided by inches, and trust me, injuries may be that deciding inch.

[Snazzy 0]

there are only winners and losers.

By the way, before you attack me for "not knowing what they're going through" etc, I've played hockey since I was 4 (I'm now almost 25)

See bold.

Edited June 24, 2009 by Snazzy

[Theophany 110]

See bold.

And when logic fails, ad hominem attacks occur.

Great rhetoric, Snazzy.

[Snazzy 0]

First off, calm the f*** down Snazzy.

Second: Yes, injuries aren't the main reason we lost this series. Defensive lapses at inopportune times, getting beat to the loose pucks, etc. are all key factors that led to our downfall. For that we have no one to blame but ourselves.

However, you would be naive to think injuries didn't play at least a small role. Besides the obvious reasons such as having Datsyuk out, injuries can hinder a player just enough to give the other team a half-step. If Rafalski was 100%, he may have got to a loose puck a split second earlier, winning the battle and clearing the puck; instead, a Pitt player has a slight step on him, he wins the puck, and sets up the game-winning goal. If Lidstrom was 100%, he may have gotten to that last rebound a moment sooner, and fired it past Fleury, tying the game.

Hockey is a game decided by inches, and trust me, injuries may be that deciding inch.

I lose my temper when people try to talk s*** about my team. I'll fight tooth and nail and to the death. Lol. I spent the night in jail in Colorado when I was there working back in 1999. I was at a sports bar watching game 6; Wings vs Avs. Some obnoxious fan started talking s*** to me (I was wearing my Yzerman jersey) and I busted him in the nose, then his friend tried to take a swing at me, I kicked his knee and he dropped like a bag of potatoes. Apparently the guys knee that I took out cost him his job because he couldn't do heavy construction work anymore.

A nite in jail and the court costs & fines was totally worth it! Moral of the story is don't disrespect my team and we'll get along just fine. And I hate nobody more than bandwagon fans!

Anyhow, it's good times thinking about the ups and downs and the entire history that I had in regards to my team

Dam I love my team! :cheers:

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

I lose my temper when people try to talk s*** about my team. I'll fight tooth and nail and to the death. Lol. I spent the night in jail in Colorado when I was there working back in 1999. I was at a sports bar watching game 6; Wings vs Avs. Some obnoxious fan started talking s*** to me (I was wearing my Yzerman jersey) and I busted him in the nose, then his friend tried to take a swing at me, I kicked his knee and he dropped like a bag of potatoes. Apparently the guys knee that I took out cost him his job because he couldn't do heavy construction work anymore.

A nite in jail and the court costs & fines was totally worth it! Moral of the story is don't disrespect my team and we'll get along just fine. And I hate nobody more than bandwagon fans!

Anyhow, it's good times thinking about the ups and downs and the entire history that I had in regards to my team

Dam I love my team! :cheers:

1. Nobody is talking s**t about the Red Wings here. We are just understanding the entire sitaution of the playoffs. You still do not seem to get this.

2. You have anger issues. Saying that you are proud of going to jail for this is asinine. It isn't worth dealing with stupid fans. And you acted like a stupid fan in this situation as well.

Walk away next time.

[therock48880 14]

First off, calm the f*** down Snazzy.

Second: Yes, injuries aren't the main reason we lost this series. Defensive lapses at inopportune times, getting beat to the loose pucks, etc. are all key factors that led to our downfall. For that we have no one to blame but ourselves.

However, you would be naive to think injuries didn't play at least a small role. Besides the obvious reasons such as having Datsyuk out, injuries can hinder a player just enough to give the other team a half-step. If Rafalski was 100%, he may have got to a loose puck a split second earlier, winning the battle and clearing the puck; instead, a Pitt player has a slight step on him, he wins the puck, and sets up the game-winning goal. If Lidstrom was 100%, he may have gotten to that last rebound a moment sooner, and fired it past Fleury, tying the game.

Hockey is a game decided by inches, and trust me, injuries may be that deciding inch.

I think the main reason they lost is that they never played a full 60 minute game, with the possible exception of game 5. Why is it that there was always at least one period per game where they came out and laid an egg? If they had played the first two periods of game 7 the way they played the third period, none of this conversation would even be taking place. The Wings would have won 5-2. Instead, they came out completely lethargic in the second. The Pens did exactly what they needed to do to take advantage of the situation.

Were there things in the series that frustrated me? Yes. I didn't understand the officiating at all in the series. However, Pitt also got screwed by some terrible officiating early in the series. Did injuries slow the Wings down? Probably. But that happens every single year. To take anything away from Pittsburgh because of these excuses isn't right.

[therock48880 14]

1. Nobody is talking s**t about the Red Wings here. We are just understanding the entire sitaution of the playoffs. You still do not seem to get this.

2. You have anger issues. Saying that you are proud of going to jail for this is asinine. It isn't worth dealing with stupid fans. And you acted like a stupid fan in this situation as well.

Walk away next time.

So, because we aren't making excuses about why the Wings lost means we don't appreciate them. Is that what I'm reading from Snazzy?

This reminds me of a few years ago when the Ducks beat the Wings in the WCF. Remember all of the excuses then? They were injured, the officiating sucked, Bettman wanted the Ducks to win, etc... Do those excuses sound familiar? They're the exact same ones we're hearing now. I argued until I was blue in the face that the Wings lost because the Ducks beat them. I will argue the same thing here. The Pens won because the outplayed the Wings when they needed to. It's that simple.

Edited June 24, 2009 by therock48880

[RedFX 48]

I lose my temper when people try to talk s*** about my team. I'll fight tooth and nail and to the death. Lol. I spent the night in jail in Colorado when I was there working back in 1999. I was at a sports bar watching game 6; Wings vs Avs. Some obnoxious fan started talking s*** to me (I was wearing my Yzerman jersey) and I busted him in the nose, then his friend tried to take a swing at me, I kicked his knee and he dropped like a bag of potatoes. Apparently the guys knee that I took out cost him his job because he couldn't do heavy construction work anymore.

A nite in jail and the court costs & fines was totally worth it! Moral of the story is don't disrespect my team and we'll get along just fine. And I hate nobody more than bandwagon fans!

Anyhow, it's good times thinking about the ups and downs and the entire history that I had in regards to my team

Dam I love my team! :cheers:

I'm glad you have passion for you're team. But dude, everyone on here also has passion for their team. They love the Wings just as you do. All they're doing is talking hockey...there's no need to attack someone just because their opinion is different.

And dude, I think you take this a bit too seriously. Beating a guy within an inch of his life because he's talking trash? Who are you, McSorley? C'mon man, take a chill pill.

Look, I live in Nashville. Some of my best friends, including my fiance, are die hard Preds fans. When the game is on here, we talk trash, we taunt each other, we get in each others faces when our respective team scores. But when the game is over, we're still friends. The result of the game isn't going to keep us from grabbing a beer or hanging out the next day. Because In the end, it's just a game. No matter what the result is, there's a life outside hockey.

The players have a saying: Leave it all on the ice. Don't let your emotions from the game spill over and ruin your normal life.

[Snazzy 0]

1. Nobody is talking s**t about the Red Wings here. We are just understanding the entire sitaution of the playoffs. You still do not seem to get this.

2. You have anger issues. Saying that you are proud of going to jail for this is asinine. It isn't worth dealing with stupid fans. And you acted like a stupid fan in this situation as well.

Walk away next time.

Actually, if you understood the entire situation of the playoffs, then you would express how proud you are of this team and recognize that they battled through more than their opponent and still damn near took it all. You do not seem to get this. No team in the world could accomplish what Detroit did.

Wings proved that they are the real deal and will be around for a very long time and will be bringing many more cups home. I'm not going to apologize with the rest of you apologists for the way Detroit battled through and fell short. I'm a realist and understand that Wings may not seem human, but they still bleed blood and feel pain. so, for that, I congratulate them. You should to.

What do you do for a living? Imagine how successful you would be at your job if your team lost all the needed elements that require you just to perform your job. Now imagine that not only has your team lost all their elements that require them just to do the job, but you somehow manage to exceed more than your company has ever seen before and come up only 1mm from taking the ultimate prize and nearly closing out the life goal of the CEO on a handicap team?

I'm just saying is stop looking at the negative and look at what they accomplished. The Red Wings are a world class hockey club. The are the best in the in the NHL and nearly the best in the NHL standing on one leg with one arm tied behind their back.

That's how I view the Penguins win, they barely beat a Red Wings team standing on one leg with one arm tied down... That, my friend, is something to be extremely proud of. Nobody could be as successful at their job with the magnitude adversity the Wings faced.

People around here seem to forget this.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Actually, if you understood the entire situation of the playoffs, then you would express how proud you are of this team and recognize that they battled through more than their opponent and still damn near took it all. You do not seem to get this. No team in the world could accomplish what Detroit did.

I get it and have expressed in some fashion that I am proud of the team. Re-read some of the thread where I respond and you'll get it too.

How do you know that no team in the world could not accomplish what Detroit did? You are just guessing and assuming again.

Wings proved that they are the real deal and will be around for a very long time and will be bringing many more cups home. I'm not going to apologize with the rest of you apologists for the way Detroit battled through and fell short. I'm a realist and understand that Wings may not seem human, but they still bleed blood and feel pain. so, for that, I congratulate them. You should to.

Of course the Wings are the real deal. I don't think anybody is apologizing here.

What do you do for a living? Imagine how successful you would be at your job if your team lost all the needed elements that require you just to perform your job. Now imagine that not only has your team lost all their elements that require them just to do the job, but you somehow manage to exceed more than your company has ever seen before and come up only 1mm from taking the ultimate prize and nearly closing out the life goal of the CEO on a handicap team?

I'm just saying is stop looking at the negative and look at what they accomplished. The Red Wings are a world class hockey club. The are the best in the in the NHL and nearly the best in the NHL standing on one leg with one arm tied behind their back.

Nobody is being negative. We're just not making excusing and realize that injuries and tough luck and the other team playing just a bit better than you are all a part of the playoffs. Nobody is saying that the Wings suck or are throwing players ABC and XYZ under the bus. Again, we all think the Red Wings are the s**t.

That's how I view the Penguins win, they barely beat a Red Wings team standing on one leg with one arm tied down... That, my friend, is something to be extremely proud of. Nobody could be as successful at their job with the magnitude adversity the Wings faced.

People around here seem to forget this.

And good for the Penguins. That doesn't diminsh or taint their championship. Nobody is forgetting anything. You are so hellbent on stating why the Wings should've won or trying to validate how great they are you don't realize that injuries and tough luck sometimes are the breaks in the playoffs for teams that lose. And also, the other team playing just a bit better. We all think the Red Wings are still the s**t despite just coming up short. Plenty of people have been trying to get through to you regarding this.

[Theophany 110]

Snazzy, people get that. You're proud of the Wings. Great, we are too.

We lost, though. You don't get a footnote about the season.

Are you going to beat a guy within an inch of his life if he taunts you about this season?

That shows real immaturity and classlessness, something that a lot of Wings fans berate other team's fans for.

[MadMan Mark 0]

I'm as pissed as Snazzy abou the result of the Finals. I can't help but think something was in the works regarding Game 3, the rescinded suspension, the BS intereference on Ericsson in the 3rd, etc. Wings played through a lot on the ice, but many things that occurred off the ice, as well. There should not have been a Game 6 or 7, but there were and the Wings played identical games for the identical scores and results. Pens won, big deal. I don't think Pitt realizes the responsibility night in and night out of being the defending champs. I don't expect much from the Pens next year. They may make the playoffs, but their are hungrier teams in the East and the Pens can't fill the holes the have with the quality they want.

I look for a first round exit for the Pens if they are lower than a 4 seed and a second if they are 4th. I do not see them winning their division.

Hopefully, this loss lit a fire under the Wings. They get their off-season rest and begin the march for another Cup. Watch how they play in Oct and Nov. I have firmly believed this is when you dictate your readiness and qualify for the playoffs. Wings need to rattle off 16-20 wins in those 2 months. In the Central, I still don't think Chi is ready to compete with Detroit, nor any other team for that matter.

I hate the Pens because they are shoved down our throat by the NHL, VS, NBC (McGuire wears kneepads with #87 and #71).

Go Wings!

Lidstrom hoists the Cup in June 2010 and calls it a career.

[Snazzy 0]

And good for the Penguins. That doesn't diminsh or taint their championship. Nobody is forgetting anything. You are so hellbent on stating why the Wings should've won or trying to validate how great they are you don't realize that injuries and tough luck sometimes are the breaks in the playoffs for teams that lose. And also, the other team playing just a bit better. We all think the Red Wings are still the s**t despite just coming up short. Plenty of people have been trying to get through to you regarding this.

You keep saying the Penguins played better, but the fact is the Red Wings played worse (played at 60%), due to injuries and Stanley cup hangover (which was expected), yet nearly took the prize.

I'm not hellbent on saying the Wings "should've" won, just that the njuries the Wings endured was the major factor and stacked against them.

I tend to see the glass half full and others see it as half empty. I'm going to give the Red Wings the credit they deserve no matter who it pisses off. May as well put me on ignore if you don't like my optimism. I am going to give the Wings the credit they deserve! Wings playing through what they did (and playing down to the dying seconds) is MUCH - MUCH more incredible than the team that happen to win the prize.

Like I said before, due to the fact that Wings seem groggy during the regular season at times, and they seemed to have the "hangover", I didn't expect them to get past the Ducks. Anything more was a bonus!

Edited June 24, 2009 by Snazzy

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

You keep saying the Penguins played better, but the fact is the Red Wings played worse (played at 60%), due to injuries and Stanley cup hangover (which was expected), yet nearly took the prize.

I'm not hellbent on saying the Wings "should've" won, just that the njuries the Wings endured was the major factor and stacked against them.

I tend to see the glass half full and others see it as half empty. I'm going to give the Red Wings the credit they deserve no matter who it pisses off. May as well put me on ignore if you don't like my optimism. I am going to give the Wings the credit they deserve! Wings playing through what they did (and playing down to the dying seconds) is MUCH - MUCH more incredible than the team that happen to win the prize.

Like I said before, due to the fact that Wings seem groggy during the regular season at times, and they seemed to have the "hangover", I didn't expect them to get past the Ducks. Anything more was a bonus!

Nobody is pissed off, and nobody will get pissed off if you give the Wings due credit. I like your optimism. I'm an optimistic person as well. Nobody in this thread at least is being negative or pissed off towards the Wings or throwing players under the bus, so there's no need to insinutate that people are or question their "fanhood". Injuries and other factors play an aspect in the outcome. Not excuses, just playoff hockey. C'est la vie. This doesn't diminish or taint the Penguins championship, nor does it make the Wings a sucky team. Penguins won, the Wings lost. Both teams should be proud of themselves.

[Snazzy 0]

What some people don't get is the Penguins HAD to win. IF they didn't win the cup against a depleted and completely injured Red Wings team, they would be classified as the biggest and complete failures in the history of NHL. Had Penguins lost, it may have cost them their organization... okay, maybe a bit extreme, but it would certainly have hurt the organization and they'd probably be firing some people and making a lot of trades / changes .. fire sale.

In honesty, Penguins should have swept the Wings due to all the Wings went through, but Wings just wouldn't lay down and die. They battled on like true champions.

Wings are the most winning team in the NHL and if they had won it again back-2-back, Bettman would probably go under major scrutiny and be forced to make changes that would end Detroit's legacy.

Bottom line, a healthy Red Wings team is downright unstoppable.

Edited June 24, 2009 by Snazzy

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

What some people don't get is the Penguins HAD to win. IF they didn't win the cup against a depleted and completely injured Red Wings team, they would be classified as the biggest and complete failures in the history of NHL. Had Penguins lost, it may have cost them their organization... okay, maybe a bit extreme, but it would certainly have hurt the organization and they'd probably be firing some people and making a lot of trades / changes .. fire sale.

In honesty, Penguins should have swept the Wings due to all the Wings went through, but Wings just wouldn't lay down and die. They battled on like true champions.

Wings are the most winning team in the NHL and if they had won it again back-2-back, Bettman would probably go under major scrutiny and be forced to make changes that would end Detroit's legacy.

Bottom line, a healthy Red Wings team is downright unstoppable.

I don't like Bettman but NHL exec do not run the league in conspiracy theories than some fans like to draw up. It is pretty far out there to think that Bettman purposefully has an agenda against the Red Wings or any other team out there.

[MadMan Mark 0]

I don't think Bettman is AGAINST the Wings, but I do think he is FOR the Pens. You have to laugh at the change in scheduling, rules, etc once the Cup Finals were set. I didn't want to wait 8 days for the Finals to start, but it's about time Bettman told NBC to go screw Conan and either broadcast the games or lose the free rights you have.

Give the Wings 8 days rest before Game 1 and tell me who benefits. I know it's a moot point now, but something smelled pretty bad after we dispatched the Hawks in 5.

[Snazzy 0]

I don't like Bettman but NHL exec do not run the league in conspiracy theories than some fans like to draw up. It is pretty far out there to think that Bettman purposefully has an agenda against the Red Wings or any other team out there.

Don't confuse what I said as a "conspiracy theory", instead lets look at the facts. Ask yourself this... Do you think the 2002 Wings were discussed in Bettman's private meeting when the Cap was heading into play?

Do you remember the reputation the Red Wings had? People (and some media) was complaining that the Red Wings "buy their cups".... do you remember these days?

Look at what Holland is doing now... what is another reason why Detroit maintains their threat? They get players to sign for "under market value", and sign players to long term contracts to level out the salary. It's GENIUS! And mark my words, it's just a matter of time till Bettman steps in and makes new rules that dampers the Red Wings methods. (edit: and had Wings won the cup again, I think it would have expedited a rule change)

Is that a conspiracy theory? I don't think so, I think it's logical to think that Bettman, like he's done in the past, tries to "balance" things. People are already complaining that Red Wings get players to sign for under market value and call it "cheating".

Edited June 24, 2009 by Snazzy

[MadMan Mark 0]

Gotta agree with Snazzy. . . while on the ESPN boards during the Finals, Pens fans were ridiculing Franzen for taking so little. I responded that it was genius by the Wings, again. Wings play for now and the future. Too many NHL teams play for now. Chicago looks poised to have a decent future, but their true task arrives over the next 2 years. Let's see how many of those young stars are still Hawks. Or how about when Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury's contracts are up? There is no room for raises AND keeping all 3. Hell, there's no room to add what they need in order to defend the title next year. Until Malkin and Crosby get defensive minded (play the PK), their title will be a flash in the pan. . . just like the Lightning.

[OsGOD 3]

Actually, if you understood the entire situation of the playoffs, then you would express how proud you are of this team and recognize that they battled through more than their opponent and still damn near took it all. You do not seem to get this. No team in the world could accomplish what Detroit did.

Thats a stretch... i don't buy into that string of thought one bit

[Snazzy 0]

Thats a stretch... i don't buy into that string of thought one bit

Really, take Malkin, Oprik and Talbot out of the line up... Give Crosby a bum wrist and Scrudi a torn nut sack, Gill an appendix surgery, Staal a blown knee and Gonchar a herniated disk and a separated sholder and see how well they do against a completely healthy Red Wings team...

Like I said, no team in the world could accomplish what Detroit did.

I challenge you to name one team that could...

Edited June 24, 2009 by Snazzy