New Salary Cap $56.8 mil

[xtrememachine1 795]

NHLPA executive-director Paul Kelly has confirmed to TSN that the salary cap will be set at a maximum of $56.8-million, with the minimum being $40.8-million. The move represents an increase of $100,000 from last year's totals.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=282925

Well at least it didn't go down

[titanium2 867]

Just curious. Can you sign anybody for 100k?

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Well, its not like we all didn't see it coming.

[bonan78 1]

Just curious. Can you sign anybody for 100k?

The league minimum salary is 450k, so no.

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Edited June 26, 2009 by bonan78

[Guest mindfly]

This is BAD news.. goodbye hossa

[uk_redwing 495]

This is BAD news.. goodbye hossa

*considers adding to ignore list*

[Guest Four]

Great news that it didn't go down!

[weGotTheCup89 41]

Just curious. Can you sign anybody for 100k?

you can sure sign ME for that much!

[MacK_Attack 108]

Great news that it didn't go down!

Technically, it did go down, but the NHLPA inflator (5%) pushed it up past where it was last year.

[dat's sick 1,002]

I was hoping (dreaming) that it'd go up by a bit more, a mil extra would have been awesome. But the important thing is it didn't go down.

[titanium2 867]

*considers adding to ignore list*

You mean you haven't done that already?

[Frozen-Man 144]

Technically, it did go down, but the NHLPA inflator (5%) pushed it up past where it was last year.

Well, if we are getting technical the salary cap didn't go down at all revenues were down however the inflator was triggered before the cap is set so the cap was never technically down just revenues were.

[Trapt1307 81]

I thought all the talk was that is was going down, so this is pretty good news.

[CenterIce 83]

I thought all the talk was that is was going down, so this is pretty good news.

This wasn't the year that everyone was worried about. That is next year. They cap is about a year behind the economic conditions.

[joshy207 156]

The inflator was applied this past season also. So, the cap still rose slightly.

[Icesurfer 75]

At 56.8 mil Hossa is all but gone.... no way to sign him without dumping about 3 mil in salary. With Hossa gone Wings will be able to sign either Hudler OR Sammy but for no more than about 1.9 mil... depending on whether Leino gets same amount 875,000 and if Abdlekader starts in GR and Wings have some other minimum player at 500K for that last spot and keeping everyone else on roster including Helm and Howard.

Edited June 27, 2009 by Icesurfer

[wingsdiehard13 33]

At 56.8 mil Hossa is all but gone.... no way to sign him without dumping about 3 mil in salary. With Hossa gone Wings will be able to sign either Hudler OR Sammy but for no more than about 2.1 mil... depending on whether Leino gets same amount 875,000 and if Abdlekader starts in GR and Wings have some other minimum player at 500K for that last spot and keeping everyone else on roster including Helm and Howard.

With the cap at 56.8, it gives the Wings a better chance to sign Hossa. All the talk was the cap was going down. So how does this make signing Hossa impossible?

[Icesurfer 75]

With the cap at 56.8, it gives the Wings a better chance to sign Hossa. All the talk was the cap was going down. So how does this make signing Hossa impossible?

Play with the numbers man! Wings would have to dump Filppula or similar salary to sign him.

Wings have 19 players signed for 53.5 mil. Thye need to sign 3 forwards. Assuming 2 of those forwards are at minimum of 500K that leaves a $2.3 mil cap figure to sign Hossa and retain those players they already have signed. Now unless the Wings come up with a 20 year contract that brings the cap figure down to 2.3 mil, Hossa is GONE!

[Icesurfer 75]

These are the 19 players ALREADY signed for next year for an exact total of 53,462,777.00. Now.... you have to sign 3 forwards and you have exactly $3,337,223.00 to do it.

Datsyuk, Pavel $6,700,000

Darren Helm $599,444

Cleary, Dan $2,800,000

Zetterberg, Henrik $6,080,000

Holmstrom, Tomas $2,250,000

Draper, Kris $1,583,333

Maltby, Kirk $883,333

Franzen, Johan $3,950,000

Filppula, Val $3,000,000

Lidstrom, Nicklas $7,450,000

Rafalski, Brian $6,000,000

Stuart, Brad $3,750,000

Kronwall, Niklas $3,000,000

Ericsson, J $900,000

Lilja, Andreas $1,250,000

Meech, Derek $483,333

Lebda, Brett $650,000

Osgood, Chris $1,416,667

Howard,Jimmy $716,667

IMHO, the 3 forwards signed for 3,337,223.00 will be Hudler OR Sammy for about 1.7-1.9 mil, Leino for about .875 mil, Abby or Kopecky for .525 - .740.

Hossa wants 6 mil. If the Wings give him 6 mil for 5 years and 1 mil for an additional 15 years then his cap figure is 2.25 mil. It is possible but I don't know if Ilitch wants to have a wasted cap hit of 2.25 mil for at least 10 years. It is a 20 year contract.... but he could be on LTIR the last 10 years.... so it is more like having a deferred salary. ..... really makes a joke of the current CBA.

Edited June 27, 2009 by Icesurfer

[TheOwl 77]

With the cap at 56.8, it gives the Wings a better chance to sign Hossa. All the talk was the cap was going down. So how does this make signing Hossa impossible?

The cap is simple math. ^^ Look at the previous post. Wings have about 5 million in cap space, to fill a back-up goalie slot, and 4 forwards. Which works out to 1 million per player, ie. 5 Rookies. If the Wings want Hossa, they need to move a huge amount of salary, ie. Flipulla, or one of the top 4 D-guys, most of whom have no trade clauses. In a perfect world I would love to see Rafalski go. It would free up tons of room to sign Hossa, Hudler, Leino, and a decent back-up (Conks or a similar guy).

Even Hossa at 4 million a season is impossible. IMPOSSIBLE. If the Wings want Hossa, they'll have to move a key player already signed. It's not a matter of letting Hudler and Sammy go, it's a matter of trading an already signed player.

[Thunderpriest 8]

Well, there is also the possibility of freeing up some space from the list of already signed players.

Trade Lebda & Meech for starters. (Assuming that Lilja will be able to return.)

That frees up just over $1M.

We'd have a defensive corp consisting of Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, Stuart, Ericsson & Lilja.

That sounds great to me.

Kindl could be a call up if necessary.

If Lilja cannot return from the concussion, then keep Lebda & get rid of Meech anyway.

That's a savings of $1.7M+.

Unforutunately, we'll have to deal with Maltby & Draper next year.

While Draper's still valuable for faceoffs & defensive responsibility against lower lines, Maltby is easily replaced by Helm (who's already figured in the cap), Leino, Abdelkader, Kopecky, etc.

So, do not expect Hossa to return, unless Kenny lets go of Hudler, Sammy, or both......which I would not like to see happen.

Sammy, I could live with.

I've been tough on him for a long time, but he proved valuable this post-season. (I just wouldn't pay him what he'd likely get from another team.....not when we've got some up & coming AHL'ers.)

I think we definitely keep Hudler.....unless someone makes a ridiculous offer for him.

That's the only way that I can see us resigning Hossa.....is if someone offers Hudler big money & Kenny doesn't want to match it.

So, we've got a little over $3M right now.....

Add a minimum of $1M by pruning the defensive corp.....

Resign Hudler long term to generate a cap hit of around 2-2.25M.....

Let Sammy go.....

Bring Leino & Abby up full time....

Resign Kopecky, dirt cheap.

Bye-bye Hossa....

Roster for 09/10:

Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Holmstrom

Cleary, Filppula, Franzen

Hudler, Helm, Leino

Maltby, Draper, Kopecky

Abdelkader

Lidstrom, Rafalski

Kronwall, Stuart

Ericcson, Lilja

Osgood

Howard

Yeah

Hell, yeah.

(This also ensures that Cleary gets quality minutes, which I believe he deserves.)

[Icesurfer 75]

You can NOT count on saving 1.25 mil from Lilja. The Wings still must comply with the cap with his salary included at the start of the season. It does not give them free cap space to sign another player. If Lilja starts the season on LTIR then the Wings would get cap RELIEF up to the amount of his salary. **** Cap RELIEF is NOT the same as having cap SPACE. ******

So with Lilja's salary included and if he is on LTIR the Wings would bring up any defensemen in GR whose salary is less than or equal to 1.25 mil. And the miinute Lilja comes off LTIR the Wings must immediately comply with the cap.

Edited June 27, 2009 by Icesurfer

[Seraph 240]

I wouldn't count Hossa out just yet, guys. Holland has said that he is the type of player that if you get a chance to sign, you do it. So I wouldn't be surprised if he dumps a salary or two somehow to land him.

[betterREDthandead 58]

These are the 19 players ALREADY signed for next year for an exact total of 53,462,777.00. Now.... you have to sign 3 forwards and you have exactly $3,337,223.00 to do it.

Datsyuk, Pavel $6,700,000

Darren Helm $599,444

Cleary, Dan $2,800,000

Zetterberg, Henrik $6,080,000

Holmstrom, Tomas $2,250,000

Draper, Kris $1,583,333

Maltby, Kirk $883,333

Franzen, Johan $3,950,000

Filppula, Val $3,000,000

Lidstrom, Nicklas $7,450,000

Rafalski, Brian $6,000,000

Stuart, Brad $3,750,000

Kronwall, Niklas $3,000,000

Ericsson, J $900,000

Lilja, Andreas $1,250,000

Meech, Derek $483,333

Lebda, Brett $650,000

Osgood, Chris $1,416,667

Howard,Jimmy $716,667

IMHO, the 3 forwards signed for 3,337,223.00 will be Hudler OR Sammy for about 1.7-1.9 mil, Leino for about .875 mil, Abby or Kopecky for .525 - .740.

Hossa wants 6 mil. If the Wings give him 6 mil for 5 years and 1 mil for an additional 15 years then his cap figure is 2.25 mil. It is possible but I don't know if Ilitch wants to have a wasted cap hit of 2.25 mil for at least 10 years. It is a 20 year contract.... but he could be on LTIR the last 10 years.... so it is more like having a deferred salary. ..... really makes a joke of the current CBA.

Too many defensemen. The Wings aren't going to keep eight on the cap. You can take one of the cheaper defensemen and turn that into a cheap forward instead, so really it's two more forwards that they need.

[Icesurfer 75]

Too many defensemen. The Wings aren't going to keep eight on the cap. You can take one of the cheaper defensemen and turn that into a cheap forward instead, so really it's two more forwards that they need.

It is NOT too many defencemen. Meech is a 2 way player and would be the 13th forward. With Lilja possibly going on LTIR and with the Wings having played ANOTHER long season, having 8 defencemen just may be what the Wings will need. Lidstrom may be having elbow surgery and his minutes WILL be cut again next year. IMHO Wings will need 8 defencemen..... especially since one of them is a valuable 2 way player. ..... 19 players are already signed and IMHO all will stay.

In case anyone has noticed over the last umpteen years Holland is not one to be trading players away. He loves to keep the players he has and players usually leave of their own accord.... Federov, Schneider, Bertuzzi.... Holland tried to keep them all. And he hated parting with Quincey but he had no choice.