10 Minute Misconduct 104 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 I'm sure if Holland knew that Hudler would pull off he would have upped the ante on Sammy and he'd still be a Wing as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diehardredwing19 11 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Lidstrom is on record saying he'd play for league minimum if it was the only choice. Laugh all you want. did he realy say that? anyways i think you know wat im talking about i truley beleive lids would take his price down to 3 / 3.5 mil next season i mean the guys 39 now to, he knows he'll do it for the wings hes made his money to it'll happen, and i realy think we can land an ilya kovalchuk next season for around 6 mil a season my guess Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winged_Wheeler 3 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Wow this ******* blows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Anyone who thinks Hudler was worth less than $2m should go back to smoking their bong. That said, I would rather have seen Hudler sign with the Wings for $3.25 for 5 years or more than sign with Dynamo. Hopefully he spends the time putting on muscle and then comes back and signs for somewhere between $2.5m and $3.5m. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingfan1991 221 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 big loss.. unless we get someone good! no one left.. all garbage left, man if holland knew hudler and samuelsson would go elswhere im sure he couldnt/wouldve extended more money to hossa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDetroitRedWings 286 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Anyone else think this might have something to do with the fact that we have absolutely no protection for our superstars?? I remember countless occasions this season where Hudler was getting physically harassed after the whistle. You could tell he was trying to give it back a little, but obviously he's not the biggest guy around. If he had played for any (and I do mean any) other NHL team there would be gloves dropping within minutes. I truly believe that is why Hudler decided to take this route. And if that is the case, I don't blame the guy. He's a shrimp. He needs some help. The only guys that tried were Datsyuk and Franzen. That's obviously ridiculous. And what's even more ridiculous is that Kirk Maltby holds a roster spot. He brings nothing to the table. 6-7 years ago I would always let it slide because he was still a good pk'er. But now he's completely worthless. So in my eyes there is no excuse to not have atleast one roster spot reserved for a guy that will make other players pay the price for messing with our stars and superstars. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsCaptain 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Does anyone have an example of anyone earning $2.5m or less with close to 60 points, that is not on an entry level contract and gets less than 16 minutes per game (Hudler averages 13). Red Wings fans have developed a serious dissociation with reality here. 42 points in '07-'08 and 57 points in '08-'09, sure. But no disassociation here, egroen. The reality is that this is the salary cap era and in order to play on the Wings and get a chance of winning the Cup, he's a $2.5M player. Period. Just as Dats, Zetterberg, Franzen and Lidstrom are making less than they are worth. Sure Huds can make more elsewhere, with other teams whose GMs are dumb enough to pay guys like Kopecky $1.2M a year, but not in Detroit. So, let him go to the KHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spydrwebb 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Damn It! I go out of town and this happens! Figures I'd miss it, but: :banana: :carrot: :band: And for those of you who though Hudler was a team player and would give Holland a break to help him ice a FULL roster an the best team possible (Hudler is a greedy sonuvabeep!) He knows the Cap situation, but still wants Filppula type money (or more.) So to those of you who still sympathize with a LOSER: :nopity: and a great big I Told You So! Now we can ice a a full team, instead of ONE greedy person taking up 90% of the cap space! its official... you've become one of my least favorite posters here. you didn't prove anything and nothing has been finalized. and the greater majority of your posts reek of immaturity and "hey everyone, look at me" mentality, often regardless of their subject matter. try humility on for size. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Anyone else think this might have something to do with the fact that we have absolutely no protection for our superstars?? I remember countless occasions this season where Hudler was getting physically harassed after the whistle. You could tell he was trying to give it back a little, but obviously he's not the biggest guy around. If he had played for any (and I do mean any) other NHL team there would be gloves dropping within minutes. I truly believe that is why Hudler decided to take this route. And if that is the case, I don't blame the guy. He's a shrimp. He needs some help. The only guys that tried were Datsyuk and Franzen. That's obviously ridiculous. And what's even more ridiculous is that Kirk Maltby holds a roster spot. He brings nothing to the table. 6-7 years ago I would always let it slide because he was still a good pk'er. But now he's completely worthless. So in my eyes there is no excuse to not have atleast one roster spot reserved for a guy that will make other players pay the price for messing with our stars and superstars. If there was ever an offseason to address that need, it's this one. Lots of players that can push back available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 42 points in '07-'08 and 57 points in '08-'09, sure. But no disassociation here, egroen. The reality is that this is the salary cap era and in order to play on the Wings and get a chance of winning the Cup, he's a $2.5M player. Period. Just as Dats, Zetterberg, Franzen and Lidstrom are making less than they are worth. Sure Huds can make more elsewhere, with other teams whose GMs are dumb enough to pay guys like Kopecky $1.2M a year, but not in Detroit. So, let him go to the KHL. ... and I forgot to add "And is getting better each year" to that. If that is not worth $3m to Ken Holland he needs to seriously consider stepping down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Lidstrom is on record saying he'd play for league minimum if it was the only choice. Laugh all you want. I'd like to believe you but I won't until you can show me something substantiating. But I'd really, really like to believe you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 I'd like to believe you but I won't until you can show me something substantiating. But I'd really, really like to believe you. It was actually a swedish interview -- and he did say it, but more as a metaphor for how much he enjoys playing hockey at the pro level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDetroitRedWings 286 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 If that is not worth $3m to Ken Holland he needs to seriously consider stepping down. Holland isn't stepping down. But if he did...General Manager Steve Yzerman sounds great to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingseroo 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 What was Hudler's money this year? I haven't read anything that said for sure what the Wings were offering they were all guesses so how do you know Sammy would have taken whatever that was. I don't think Sammy is worth what he got from the Canucks and I am sure the Wings wouldn't have given him that so why would he stay? And why would Holland have traded Hudler rights? Now you are just getting crazy. This guy is leaving the NHL. And don't say Holland shouldn't have assumed he was gonna be able to sign him. A RFA who you had been talking to and filed for arbitration. That sounds like a guy who you have a good shot at keeping around. If Holland shouldn't have thought he was sticking around and should have traded his rights then every GM should trae their RFA's. I think this came up real quick. Where would have been the clue to trade him? People keep talking about a rumored 2.5 mil offer for Hudler, from everything I am seeing today I doubt he was offered over 1.5 or so... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingseroo 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Holland also offered him between $2.5 and $3 mill a year on a 3, 4, or 5 year term. I twas reported in Mlive. Ok wait Ken Holland is quoted as saying Wings couldn't offer anything close to what Dynamo's did are you going to stick by that 2.5 to 3 mil number? And honestly if I were hudler I might sign a 1 yr deal for 2.5 but not a 5 year deal for 2.5 per... Looking at what it seems like the Dynamos are offering vs Ken Holland statement that their offer was much higher then the Wings I do no believe those Mlive numbers were correct, and they were only rumor when they were put out... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 ... and I forgot to add "And is getting better each year" to that. If that is not worth $3m to Ken Holland he needs to seriously consider stepping down. I think you are being a bit overdramatic here. Plenty of people are being overdramatic in this thread. Do I like Hudler leaving? Nah, not really. If anybody labels me a Huddler slappy I'll jump through my computer and strangle you. Did he completely produce in the playoffs? No, but so did plenty of others as well. People go on hot or cold spells all the time whether it is in the regular season or playoffs. He was a more than servicable forward like plenty of other people on the team. Not everybody's going to score 4 points a night. So nobody better accuse me of overstating his worth. The way this all went down wasn't handled all that great overall I think, but it's nobody's fault, it is what it is. I don't think any less of Hudler because of this. It's a tough decision to make that takes time. Sometimes you have to move on somewhere else in life if you think you want to maximize your worth/career. Best of luck to Hudler in the KHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingseroo 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 big loss.. unless we get someone good! no one left.. all garbage left, man if holland knew hudler and samuelsson would go elswhere im sure he couldnt/wouldve extended more money to hossa. If they signed Hossa they would have let Sammy and Hudler walk and would have had to do something like buyout Homer... They would have had to dump salary just to fit his 5.2 in he didn't want let alone a 6+ mil... More of a focus on Hossa... Oooops he is gone... focus on Huddler... Oooops he is gone... Its that kind of situation... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Well it's a good thing Hudler didn't play under Bowman. Bowman??? Nahhh... Bowman paid good money for Larionov and Kozlov. More like "good thing he didn't play under Jack Adams." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 I think you are being a bit overdramatic here. Plenty of people are being overdramatic in this thread. Do I like Hudler leaving? Nah, not really. If anybody labels me a Huddler slappy I'll jump through my computer and strangle you. Did he completely produce in the playoffs? No, but so did plenty of others as well. People go on hot or cold spells all the time whether it is in the regular season or playoffs. He was a more than servicable forward like plenty of other people on the team. Not everybody's going to score 4 points a night. So nobody better accuse me of overstating his worth. The way this all went down wasn't handled all that great overall I think, but it's nobody's fault, it is what it is. I don't think any less of Hudler because of this. It's a tough decision to make that takes time. Sometimes you have to move on somewhere else in life if you think you want to maximize your worth/career. Best of luck to Hudler in the KHL. Well, it looks like Holland was offering $3m, so he is clearly not the idiot half the posters in this thread hope him to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 And also, people are nuts for thinking Holland is doing a bad job because of this. We all knew the deal at the end of the season. Little cap space and it was already goin to be difficult for Hossa to return. Hossa himself claimed he saw the writing on the wall some when the Wings offered Franzen the long contract first. I don't see how Samuelsson leaving has much to do with this. Again this whole sitaution with Hudler wasn't handled great but he's going to where he think he can benefit his career most right now. More power to him. I highly doubt this whole ordeal would have had much or any effect on possibly retaining Hossa. I'm not going to try to connect the dots regarding these sitautions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingseroo 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Um, he was going to arbitration and would have gotten more than 2.5 mil....so his choice in jumping ship to the KHL makes little sense. I think it was guarenteed he would get more the problem is the Wings wanted him for less then that and very likely are/were looking at trading him if his number crossed over 3 mil... Hudler doesn't want to get traded to the LA Kings so he signs this has his agent go to arbitration, and then either Wings pay him and keep him or he plays in Russia or if they trade him its to a decent team... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 And also, people are nuts for thinking Holland is doing a bad job because of this. We all knew the deal at the end of the season. Little cap space and it was already goin to be difficult for Hossa to return. Hossa himself claimed he saw the writing on the wall some when the Wings offered Franzen the long contract first. I don't see how Samuelsson leaving has much to do with this. Again this whole sitaution with Hudler wasn't handled great but he's going to where he think he can benefit his career most right now. More power to him. I highly doubt this whole ordeal would have had much or any effect on possibly retaining Hossa. I'm not going to try to connect the dots regarding these sitautions. Was Hossa saying that? I am pretty sure I remember Holland making the offer to Hossa first, who turned it down, before Holland made an offer to Franzen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 I think it was guarenteed he would get more the problem is the Wings wanted him for less then that and very likely are/were looking at trading him if his number crossed over 3 mil... Hudler doesn't want to get traded to the LA Kings so he signs this has his agent go to arbitration, and then either Wings pay him and keep him or he plays in Russia or if they trade him its to a decent team... My only problem with that thinking is - if Hudler was worried the Wings would trade him if he signed for over $3m, why not just become a free agent and sign wherever and for whatever he wants (and the KHL would still be an option). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingseroo 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Well, it looks like Holland was offering $3m, so he is clearly not the idiot half the posters in this thread hope him to be. Holland never offered him 3 mil... I think Hudler would take 3 mil 1 yr so fast make your head spin and have UFA next season... I do not think Hudler wants to sign for a long time at 3 mil per, if he keeps progressing he will be in line for Gionta money (BTW for those wondering look them up Gionta's last few seasons the numbers are pretty much what Huds had last year and he is small)... Detroit is deep at centers and 2 way players... They are not deep at scorers and play makers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingseroo 0 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 My only problem with that thinking is - if Hudler was worried the Wings would trade him if he signed for over $3m, why not just become a free agent and sign wherever and for whatever he wants (and the KHL would still be an option). Hudler can only become a free agent if after the arbiter rules they decide not to honor it... In all likelyhood Holland would not do that he would take him into the preseason if he did not like the number then move him... There are no no trade clauses for this... He will be a RFA who has had an arbiter rule... By signing the Russian contract he has created a block from being traded to any team the Wings choose, and also maybe he has created the situation where Detroit will just not honor the arbiters ruling and let him become a UFA... Home town discounts come from older vets, you can not expect a young guy facing his first and in pro sports more often then not last big payday and just except less, it isn't logical... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
