thedatsyukian 7 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 Maybe we should split the studs... Filppula-Zetterberg-Franzen Leino-Datsyuk-Cleary Eaves-Helm-Williams Holmstrom-Draper-Maltby If they split up Z&D these are the lines I want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 Maybe we should split the studs... Filppula-Zetterberg-Franzen Leino-Datsyuk-Cleary Eaves-Helm-Williams Holmstrom-Draper-Maltby Aren't Draper and Maltby the studs you are referring to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b-random 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 Just looking at that roster, it's obvious that we need to add some sandpaper at some point if we plan on going deep into the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDetroitRedWings 286 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 u really think that leinos a 2nd line player? u really think that we're going to put homer on the 4th line? u might need to be re-introduced to reality, friend. I hate to say it, but Homer looked like crap since he came off the IR last season. He looked even slower than usual (and we all know Homer was never a speed demon) and even in front of the net he looked just a little off. Maybe he was just rusty from the injury. I sure hope so. Because part of me is starting to think Homer might be hitting the wall. Whether it's from age or injury, Homer may not be top line material anymore... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 Just looking at that roster, it's obvious that we need to add some sandpaper at some point if we plan on going deep into the playoffs. Williams is the equivalent of rolling paper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagYourTorso 8 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 Why does everyone have so much doubt in Leino? Am I the only one who was impressed with him when he played??? He did get 9pts in the 13 games he played. I could see him getting 60+ pts if he rolls on the 2nd line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10 Minute Misconduct 104 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 Why all the hate for Williams? o.0 I don't like him by any means, but he's better then Maltby, Draper, Eaves, Holmstrom (if he played like he did in the playoffs), Abs etc. Our lineup looks alot better then it did 3 days ago. This team is still easily a top 3 team in the West. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Selke13 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 holmstrom does not deserve to be on the 1st line Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted August 6, 2009 Dream on. This lineup actually makes the 2006 Wings look physicaly imposing. Having 2 sissies like Williams and Eaves playing on what is usually known as a checking line isn't going to look good, since neither of those players can actually "check". Defense is this team's only supposed strength, and it's still a big question mark because of last year's breakdowns on defense. Damn, you did it again... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manoir 70 Report post Posted August 7, 2009 I'm starting to think that because Holland is a short guy himself he likes to give the smaller players a chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted August 7, 2009 Damn, you did it again... Excuse me if I'm mad that the Wings roster looks as tough as the Finnish Elite League. I bet Jokerit could beat up the Wings in a brawl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cupforwings 138 Report post Posted August 7, 2009 Datsyuk and zetterberg barely played together in the season last year. It always seems like babcock would rather split them up to create two deadly lines instead of just the one (even though the top two line will be deadly no matter what). Hank and franzen always play good together, and so does cleary when he plays with both of them. Holmstrom needs datsyuk, he would be extremely unproductive on the 4th line with draper and maltby so that will not happen. I dont thik leino has proven himself as a 2nd line player yet, although he had some good games when he was on the wings... Heres my take on the line... cleary-zetterberg-franzen holmstrom-datsyuk-filpula williams-helm-leino maltby-draper-eaves also, is anybody a little nervous about the osgood/howard combo... Osgood is good but if he starts at all like he did last year and doesn't have somebody like conklin to back him up, it could get ugly.... I keep thinking about that game against Minnesota last hear where howard played terrible... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stillwater 186 Report post Posted August 7, 2009 Good, the daily "line thread" ... check. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted August 7, 2009 Something I guess I just don't understand is this. Why is it that everyone is automatically giving a third line spot to Helm, a guy who has proven nothing but the fact that he is willing to hit and grind, and that he is a very fast player, but a guy who also is lacking in any kind of offensive skills when compared to anyone competing for time on the first three lines as well as perhaps McGrath, Abdelkader, Ritola, Oulahen, Jeremy Williams, Dick Axelsson, and more Wings depth forwards who will be in Grand Rapids. I like Helm. I really do. But the Wings the past few years have typically liked their first three lines to be lines that play both ends of the ice fairly well with a strong checking line that brought some speed. With the players currently signed, I see this lineup formed from that philosophy and past line usage: Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Holmstrom Franzen/Filppula/Leino Cleary/Williams/Eaves Maltby/Draper/Helm Oulahen/McGrath Yes, I expect Helm on the fourth line, as well as both Oulahen and McGrath as extra forwards to begin the year due to their waiver status. The reason for Eaves on the third line is because Eaves has proven he can be an effective offensive player in the NHL when used in a secondary offensive role and has a career average of 15 goals and 30 assists per 80 games, while Helm's only performance in the NHL on any line has been as an energy player and grinder. No matter who he has played with, Helm has not really shown any kind of offensive capability at the NHL level. So put Eaves with Cleary and Williams, two solid defensive forwards flanking an offensive forward who tends to be more irresponsible defensively, and you have a third line that fits the two-way description that the Wings like as it is overall good defensively as well as could potentially produce 60+ goals. Overall, I could see the Wings as a team producing between 275-290 goals, which is a solid number as we will probably see better defense from the team and better goaltending from Osgood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest blueadams Report post Posted August 7, 2009 if u want helm on the 4th line... Leino-Zetterberg-Franzen Williams-Datsyuk-Cleary Eaves-Filppula-Holmstrom Draper-Helm-Maltby 4 great centers. 3 great net presences (maltby, no). 3 great secondary scorers (draper, no). There could be a lot of combinations using this formula, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) Put Homer with Draper and Maltby and you take away any chance of Homer being at all productive and any chance of the 4th line being at all valuable. Homer's game has always relied on his having play makers to feed him, even more so now. Draper and Maltby need someone solid to help them out. Personally, I'm hoping for one more grinder to get signed. There's no way that all three of those guys will play a full season...most likely none of them will, and we're certain to have other injuries. Meech obviously can't back up everyone and I think everyone besides JAbs who is even close to NHL caliber has to clear waivers both up and down. I don't think we'll want to expose anyone to recall waivers since we'd then have to eat half their cap hit. Don't know that we want to add another rookie like Oulahen or McGrath to a full time spot... We have cap space, epecially if Lilly goes on LTIR. Kyle Calder and Boyd Devereaux are both still available. Edited August 7, 2009 by Buppy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted August 7, 2009 cleary-zetterberg-franzen holmstrom-datsyuk-filpula williams-helm-leino maltby-draper-eaves Basically, what I was thinking, except some of the wingers on your lines are on the wrong sides. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest blueadams Report post Posted August 7, 2009 Basically, what I was thinking, except some of the wingers on your lines are on the wrong sides. 1) i dont think that pav and flip would work well together...they're our best two distributors. 2) helm, draper, maltby...is that a productive 4th line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommingthepuck96 1 Report post Posted August 7, 2009 1) i dont think that pav and flip would work well together...they're our best two distributors. Were you a red wing fan before they won the cup? The Holmstrom, datsyuk/filppula line was put together alot in the past, and they played awesome together. Problem is filppula plays his best at center, he needs to center his own line to thrive like everyone wants him too.. Pavs is the best player in the league at which ever position he plays.. so re-unite him with his boy Z. Cleary,Z/Pavs Franzen/Filppula/Williams Leino/Helm/Eaves Holmstrom/Draper/Maltby Only problem about these threads is i guarantee you, you will rarely see a 100% lineup for more than 10-15 games.. Lines are always going to be changing depending on whos in and whos out... Only in the playoffs i think its fair to predict lines, because players will play through injuries.. In the reg season though if Zetterberg has something minor like a sore back on a west coast road trip against the L.A kings, babcock probably will see no real logic in playing him, and this will go for just about everyone else.. Players who are more than likely to play 80+ games are players like helm, eaves, and leino.. for the reason, their young players who don't see the minutes other players do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest blueadams Report post Posted August 7, 2009 how about these... Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Williams Leino-Filppula-Eaves Draper-Helm-Maltby T.B.A. Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Stuart Ericsson-Lebda Meech Osgood Howard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 7, 2009 how about these... Franzen-Zetterberg-Cleary Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Williams Leino-Filppula-Eaves Draper-Helm-Maltby T.B.A. Lidstrom-Rafalski Kronwall-Stuart Ericsson-Lebda Meech Osgood Howard I hate those lines but you're probably right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOwl 77 Report post Posted August 7, 2009 Trade Rafalski and sign a top 6 forward. No trade clause or not. Rafalski isn't worth 6 million, and the Wings don't need 8 top 6 D-men. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest blueadams Report post Posted August 7, 2009 If you want those two together... take a look at our FINAL playoff lines last season: Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Cleary Franzen-Filppula-HOSSA Holmstrom-Helm-SAMUELSSON HUDLER-Draper-Maltby so, hows about these lines next season: Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Cleary Franzen-Filppula-WILLIAMS Holmstrom-Helm-EAVES LEINO-Draper-Maltby williams replaces hossa; eaves replaces samuelsson; and leino replaces hudler. i know that a lot of people have high expectations for leino, but lets wait and see... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duck Guy 86 Report post Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) Barring some awesome trades at deadline.. I dont see this roster making it to the SCF...just me? Maybe I am 2 upset about losing sammy, Hudler , and Hossa... Edited August 7, 2009 by Duck Guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted August 7, 2009 Our 4th line is going to be bad, no matter who's on it. I'd rather it be Holmstrom with Draper and Maltby to give the others a chance to prove themselves, we know what we're getting in those three. I cant believe I'd ever get to the point that having them is really hurting the Wings from being a tough team, they take up cap space and room on the roster for more effective players, it wouldnt be so bad if they provided some offence, but they just dont. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
