Wingsfan72 198 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 (edited) So my friend and I were talking about the situation in Chicago, having to resign Kane, Toews, AND Keith next year. Needless to say niether of us are confident Chicago will get ALL THREE back. I figured Keith would for sure be gone and Toews and Kane would sign similar, multi-year contracts. And this is only if the Hawks are able to shave off some salary by moving Campbell and maybe Huet or something. But then it occured to me..... Do any of you recall before Toews first year in the nhl, Steve Yzerman said that if he could put in a wings jersey TODAY, he would (I'm paraphrasing of course). Anyway, what I'm getting at is maybe the Wings are only signing players to one year deals just so they have a little more cap room to fit in Toews. I mean, doesnt Stevie have a say sometimes in who the Wings pick up? Then I figured this yould be, unfortunate, but a little smarter for the Hawks because without Toews contract, they have more of a chance signing Kane and Keith, assuming they do the previously mentioned salary cutting. I figure Toews would go anywhere from a short-tern, 2-3 year deal for a little over 5mil/season or, (my preference) a big Zetterberg-like multi-year deal that starts off aroud the 6mil range and increases to like 7.5 in time. I never crunched the numbers but i figure with some soon-to-be retirees on the team and the young guns that are just starting up in the big league, it could be possible. Is this possible or am I just being niave? Please comment and let me know what you think. Edited August 8, 2009 by Wingsfan72 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 It's possible. Really unlikely though. Toews is an RFA and I don't see the wings giving up draft picks for a player as they'd likely have to give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd just to sign him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 It's possible. Really unlikely though. Toews is an RFA and I don't see the wings giving up draft picks for a player as they'd likely have to give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd just to sign him. Exactly and the Wings already have their version of Toews. His name is Zetterberg. Though, the idea of stealing away Keith is interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsfan72 198 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 It's possible. Really unlikely though. Toews is an RFA and I don't see the wings giving up draft picks for a player as they'd likely have to give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd just to sign him. Ah, damn. I completely forgot about that aspect. Well there that goes I suppose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-Ruff 47 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 Ineed, they would be foolish to give up Keith.... Ideally they find some sucker to take on Campbell... Pay them to take him... Of course, I hope they don't suceed at that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmubronco420 25 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 It would be great and all, but out of those three i think chicago would interested in keeping toews the most, seeing as how hes the bnest of the three and hes captain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 (edited) im pretty sure that the hawks priority is toews and kieth. Both of them are far more valuable to their team in the long run than kane. Kane is great on offense, but he lacks what the hawks need in the long run. My guess will be that the hawks will re-sign teows at ALL costs, then try to squeeze in kieth, and let Kane go. There are lots of teams that could use the likes of kane, i could easily see him going to buffalo, his hometown, a rebuilding team, etc. Hopefully though, they are more screwed than i give them credit for and they lose 2/3 of those guys. Oops. Edited August 8, 2009 by hooon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 Why sign Toews when we can sign Jason Williams to a 5 year extension? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslionstigers 12 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 Chicago is not going to let Toews go... Lay off the pipe. The Red Wings staff and YOU, realize how valuable and great of a player Toews is. So the conclusion you came up with is that the team that he actually plays on and is a captain for doesn't realize these facts themselves. There for are going to let him walk and try to sign Kane instead? Then on top of that no other team in the league will even notice him and the Wings can come in and sign him with ease for a "RED WINGS DISCOUNT BECAUSE EVERYBODY DOES." Anybody ever heard of logic around here? Get some. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mule 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 The Blackhawks would not have handed Toews the captaincy at such a young age if they had any intention of letting him walk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMan Mark 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 Keep in mind the old "captain gets paid the most". Toews is the better of the 3 and will sign in at $5.3M - $6M/yr. I think he is their top priority. Keep in mind that Ladd and Eager are also RFA's along with Hjalmarsson (I think). Seabrook goes RFA in 2011. I don't think ANY team is dumb enough to pick up Campbell's contract. I predict Keith is expendable first, although I would let Kane go, IMO. Kane is one-dimensional with very little D impact. The Wings are positioned very nicely. A core of Dats-Z-Mule signed with a good amount of money available for raises/extensions on some players and possibly a key free agent pickup. If Chicago manages to sign all (I don't see how), one or two key injuries destroys this team. All in all, IMO, the Hawks DID NOT improve their D or goaltending so I expect a 2nd place finish in Central and a 5 seed for the post-season, at best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 That would certainly be cool, and if he contnued along the career path he has started, he would be worth the draft picks, BUT, since there will be 28 other teams not name Detroit or Chicago also willing to give up picks, it is highly unlikely he will sign anywhere for a discount that is not named Chicago. IF he wants the payday, he'll have plenty of suitors lining up to pay him top dollar. They are going to have 8 RFA's next off season, most of which will be affordable to other teams, including Detroit. If you take away the top 3 of Kane, Toews and Keith, I would most certainly LOVE to see Detroit agressively pursue Andrew Ladd. I think Detroit could offer him enough to draw him out of Chicago (considering if the Hawks are able to fit the top three under their available cap space which sits at $14M right now, there won't be much left for the other 5 and Ladd could be the one to leave.) His currently salary is $1.5M and could definately see him accepting $3M or right up to the point where we only have to give up a 2nd rounder. Then again, like another user said, if they could somehow unload Campbell's salary, then they'll be able to resign everyone, and become a very good team or a long time. Keith would be an awesome attraction, especially if Lids hangs them up, but there is a premium on young defensmen like him in the league and he may get offers that just my be out of our price range. Again, I can only see him taking a discount for one team, and that is Chicago. Stranger things have happened (Hossa coming here for $7.45M) but Toews is just not what this team needs right now. Where would he fit? Second line center, then Filppula gets demoted and Helm get to be 4th line center. I guess that wouldn't be bad after Draper retires,so yeah, it's possible, and a bit attractive, but for the money we'll have available next year, Ladd or if a miracle comes our way, Keith would be a little more attractive to Hollan for this teams needs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 I predict Keith is expendable first, although I would let Kane go, IMO. Kane is one-dimensional with very little D impact. If you think Keith is expendable first, you have smoked waaaaay too much crack. He became a top three defenseman in the NHL at 25. Patrick Kane is a younger, faster version of Jason Williams who plays on the first line. Seriously; add speed to Williams and play him with Toews and he's a 70-point player. The Hawks should try and drop Campbell and Huet on teams that need salary to hit the floor. Follow that up with signing Toews and Keith. If they are looking at cap trouble regarding Kane's signing, deal him for a 1st pick and a starting goalie who makes about $2.5m-$3m. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslionstigers 12 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 Even if he was a UFA we still wouldn't sign him.. Next year the Wings need a top 6 player for around 3-3.5 mill. That will complete our 1st and 2nd line. Then they will rebuild the 4th line. Our 3rd line will be complete with guys like Helm, Abs, leino, or somebody else depending on if one of those guys don't cut it. The year after we need to find a new number one young franchise defenseman. Maybe even a goaltender if one of our prospects aren't ready by then. We won't find another goaltender at Ozzys caliber for his price range, so in this scenario we will have to probably add another mill or so to our goalie price tag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsfan72 198 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 Chicago is not going to let Toews go... Lay off the pipe. The Red Wings staff and YOU, realize how valuable and great of a player Toews is. So the conclusion you came up with is that the team that he actually plays on and is a captain for doesn't realize these facts themselves. There for are going to let him walk and try to sign Kane instead? Then on top of that no other team in the league will even notice him and the Wings can come in and sign him with ease for a "RED WINGS DISCOUNT BECAUSE EVERYBODY DOES." Anybody ever heard of logic around here? Get some. Oh, you're right, I'm a dumbass. Where again did I say Wings can "come in and sign him with ease"? .....I'm just not seeing it in there where I wrote...hmm. I was merely sharing a thought, though it may have been wishful thinking. Either way, you dont have to be an ass. But then again, I guess it's what I set myself up for, asking people's opinion. I can see you are far superior to me in your hockey knowledge, forgive my foolishness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingslionstigers 12 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 I can see you are far superior to me in your hockey knowledge, forgive my foolishness. Its alright young lust. Less talking more listening and maybe someday you may acquire a fraction of the great awesomeness that i obtain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 How is signing Toews even possible? He is Chicago's Steve Yzerman for f***s sake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 My bet is the Hawks find a way to sign all three. If they absolutely had to let one go, it would undoubtedly be Kane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 I am thinking Holland is loving next off season no matter what happens with Chicago! Right now we have $16M available before we sign anyone. Looing at the list of RFA's and UFA's there shouldn't be too many high dollar guys. Even if you automatically give Lidstrom $5M, that is still $11M to play with. (barring a drop in Cap) Helm will probably get $1M, as will Abdelkader. If Eaves works out, he may get $1.5 to $2M, that STILL leaves $7M to play with! I don't think Holland will throw $5M of that (or more) at Toews, give Holland $7M and he'll give you a Stanley Cup! Again, if Holland offers ANY one of the RFA's from Chicago a contract, it'll probably be someone like Ladd, and that ONLY if Chicago is less than $3M from going over their cap, if not, Chicago will match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wingsfan72 198 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 (edited) Its alright young lust. Less talking more listening and maybe someday you may acquire a fraction of the great awesomeness that i obtain. haha youre funny. Maybe one day, in my dreams, I shall improve from my padawan status but until that day.....I shall learn from the masta. What was it that gave away my adolescence? Was it the unfathomable proposition of Toews joining the wings or was it my childlike sensitivity to realistic critiques from those who know more then i do? haha, atleast I dont base my ideas on the trade I just made on nhl09. It really was just a half-baked thought though. I just wanted to see what it was worth. Edited August 8, 2009 by Wingsfan72 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 It'd be fun to steal away one of their stars, but in all honestly I have a feeling we might be pursuing Keith. Mostly because Toews is an RFA but I also just have a gut feeling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMan Mark 0 Report post Posted August 8, 2009 If you think Keith is expendable first, you have smoked waaaaay too much crack. He became a top three defenseman in the NHL at 25. Patrick Kane is a younger, faster version of Jason Williams who plays on the first line. Seriously; add speed to Williams and play him with Toews and he's a 70-point player. The Hawks should try and drop Campbell and Huet on teams that need salary to hit the floor. Follow that up with signing Toews and Keith. If they are looking at cap trouble regarding Kane's signing, deal him for a 1st pick and a starting goalie who makes about $2.5m-$3m. A top 3 defenseman? Was he up for a Norris this year? I missed his name along with Lidstrom, Chara, and Green. I'm not trying to be too sarcastic. However, Seabrook will be there through next year and will be getting a raise on his $3.5M salary in 2011 and Hjalmarsson is RFA next year with Keith. I think Kane is the face of the Hawks, although I agree he is the weakest of the 3 (Toews, Kane and Keith). I agree about having a young D-man and Keith is improving. If we somehow get Keith, it keeps our D stocked for quite a while (Kindl moving up in the future) I don't see any team paying for Campbell. Huet, if he has a great yeara, will remain in Chi. If he sucks, like I expect him to, nobody will pick him up at his current salary. Hawks are stuck with both. Between Huet (average goaltender), Campbell (overpaid, overated) and Hossa (questionable shoulder), about 30% of next year's cap is already accounted for. If Hawks sign all 3, they may only be able to put 10 guys on the ice plus a goalie ha ha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FireCaptain 563 Report post Posted August 9, 2009 Well, if one's in prison - problem solved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmamolo 287 Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Even though I think of the three Kane should be the guy to go I think the Hawks have built their team with both Kane and Toews being the faces of their franchise. I think Keith would be the odd man out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MadMan Mark 0 Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Even though I think of the three Kane should be the guy to go I think the Hawks have built their team with both Kane and Toews being the faces of their franchise. I think Keith would be the odd man out Completely agree with you. Hawks have a dilemma, do you give Keith the money next year, or Seabrook the following year. Face it, they are stuck with Campbell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
