Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 (edited) He's a big body that can skate, hit, handle the puck and fight. He could play on any of our 4 lines and fit in just fine. It's just frustrating! esteef Any of our 4 lines? Come on, esteef, don't exaggerate. Edited August 12, 2009 by Doc Holiday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest E_S_A_D Report post Posted August 12, 2009 To my critics and followers of my every post: A) I DO support the Red Wings; as a former season ticket holder, regular attendee (and frequenter of the $9 beer stand), many Flint Generals and Grand Rapids games, and occasionally if my waistline permits I indeed partake in a large pepperoni, mushroom, & sausage pizza from.... Little Caesars. B) This thread wasn't the 'goon' thread. This was the Mike Grier thread. We are paying Williams, who will serve little purpose on our team besides another 30 point scorer (we have that in GR), the relative same amount of money as Mr. Grier, our Detroit native. (Don't give me the 'he really wanted to go to Buffalo BS- Holland didn't pursue him, period.) C) For those that question the rinks capacity and tendencies for the 2009/10 year to be full are kidding themselves. Detroit is a Blue Collar City that respects and enjoys a blue collar worker. Jason Williams is the antithesis of that, he's an under-talented version of Robert Lang. Fans want value for their buck, watching Pavel Datsyuk do a 'pretty' move is great, but not when that happens without grit, tenacity, and work ethic of the other players on the team. There's no secret that these forums lean highly to the softer euro-side of hockey. That's fine, but remember the acronym of our beloved League. NHL, not KHL. Also, Mindfly, I wasn't going to dignify your post with a response- but I will say, it was funny and written very schizophrenically as many of your posts seem to portray. Good Day! P.s. Anyone else find it ironic that Rick Porcello would be our best enforcer on the Red Wings? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 I had a long drawn out post for you ESAD, but now that I think about it, what's the point? HERE'S TO SOFT EURO HOCKEY! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 I had a long drawn out post for you ESAD, but now that I think about it, what's the point? HERE'S TO SOFT EURO HOCKEY! It's soft Euro hockey time! soft Euro hockey time! soft Euro hockey time! soft Euro hockey time! Whereyat? Whereyat? Whereyat? Whereyat? Now there you go... :banana: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Any of our 4 lines? Come on, esteef, don't exaggerate. He could certainly replace Homer on the top line if that's what you're getting at. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 He could certainly replace Homer on the top line if that's what you're getting at. esteef I strongly disagree. Like, iron man strong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest E_S_A_D Report post Posted August 12, 2009 I had a long drawn out post for you ESAD, but now that I think about it, what's the point? HERE'S TO SOFT EURO HOCKEY! Thatta boy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 I strongly disagree. Like, iron man strong. Is that like strenuously objecting? esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Congratulations Detroit Red Wings, you have officially let every decent free agent for 2009-10 season that would offer an entertainment value, beyond Disney on Ice, to sign with other teams at bargain prices. Oh wait, Ken Holland DID sign an enforcer for our 4th line... Welcome Mr. Jason Williams. What a joke 2009-10 will be. MARK MY WORDS... WATCH HOW EMPTY THE REGULAR SEASON WILL BE IN DETROIT THIS YEAR.... Don't watch then or better yet you should probably submit your resume to the NHL since you clearly have all the answers over that idiot Ken Holland. Talk about spoiled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 I would have prefered one scorer and one grinder -- is Eaves our grinder? Would have been nice to have someone with more size. Ah well -- Holland had a tough job this off-season, no question, and he fell well short of his traditional excellence in my opinion. really? He locked up both Franzen and Z for their entire careers at cap friendly numbers. We spent all season debating about Franzen and Z and Hossa. We knew we coudn't keep all. Hossa proved to be a playoff no show and Kenny went out and locked up the two that will help most in the playoffs. We lost Mr. regular season, Sammy and a useless Kopy. The only surprise was to lose Huds to the Russians- something nobody could forsee. So Kenny turns around and signs Williams at a discount - 1M less than he made last year and only to a 1 year contract and Patrick Eaves for not much more than the league minimum also for 1 year. I think that he did pretty well considering the cap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest E_S_A_D Report post Posted August 12, 2009 I think that he did pretty well considering the cap. I'm glad people on this board have a good sense of humor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 really? He locked up both Franzen and Z for their entire careers at cap friendly numbers. We spent all season debating about Franzen and Z and Hossa. We knew we coudn't keep all. Hossa proved to be a playoff no show and Kenny went out and locked up the two that will help most in the playoffs. We lost Mr. regular season, Sammy and a useless Kopy. The only surprise was to lose Huds to the Russians- something nobody could forsee. So Kenny turns around and signs Williams at a discount - 1M less than he made last year and only to a 1 year contract and Patrick Eaves for not much more than the league minimum also for 1 year. I think that he did pretty well considering the cap. I'm not disagreeing - though with Holland's record "pretty well" is actually disappointing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Can Holland please trade Williams for Grier? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 I'm not disagreeing - though with Holland's record "pretty well" is actually disappointing. What offseasons in your opinion were better? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 What offseasons in your opinion were better? I gotta say that last offseason was pretty spectacular (or we thought it was) when he signed Hossa. Turns out his one year of playoff sucess was only because he was plying wing to Crosby. Even Bill Guerin looks good playing with Crosby.... You really can't compare an offseason with a cap to ones that came before the cap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 I gotta say that last offseason was pretty spectacular (or we thought it was) when he signed Hossa. Turns out his one year of playoff sucess was only because he was plying wing to Crosby. Even Bill Guerin looks good playing with Crosby.... You really can't compare an offseason with a cap to ones that came before the cap. That 2001 offseason was pretty sweet, wasn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Mr. Grier, our Detroit native. It should be noted that he was raised in Boston, however. We spent all season debating about Franzen and Z and Hossa. We knew we coudn't keep all. Hossa proved to be a playoff no show and Kenny went out and locked up the two that will help most in the playoffs. Remember that he did sign Franzen during the season -- this was before anybody had any inkling of Hossa's impending struggles. He signed the first guy he could come to terms with, and thank goodness that was Franzen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 I guess the theme of this thread has turned into bring on the soft euro hockey theme: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 He's a big body that can skate, hit, handle the puck and fight. He could play on any of our 4 lines and fit in just fine. It's just frustrating! esteef Mike Grier on the first line?....hahahahah. We could put him up there with Pavs hahahhah. He only scored 10 goals last year but he would fit just fine on the 1st line? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 It should be noted that he was raised in Boston, however. Remember that he did sign Franzen during the season -- this was before anybody had any inkling of Hossa's impending struggles. He signed the first guy he could come to terms with, and thank goodness that was Franzen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holiday 0 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 I think the Wings are racist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 I think the Wings are racist. They also hate Jews. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Mike Grier on the first line?....hahahahah. We could put him up there with Pavs hahahhah. He only scored 10 goals last year but he would fit just fine on the 1st line? How many did Homer score? Hahahahaha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetts 236 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 (edited) How many did Homer score? Hahahahaha Are you kidding!? Grier had 10 goals in 62 games. Holmstrom had 14 in 53. So first off, Holmstrom was in fact a better goal scoring threat. But even moving past that... Grier has broken 20 goals twice, the most recent being 2000-2001. In fact, those two times "breaking" 20 goals, were in fact 20 goals bang on. Holmstrom has, since the 2000-2001 season broken 20 goals four times, with one of those being 29 goals and another being 30 goals. Holmstrom has been a better offensive player and put up his numbers more recently. ...Grier is a more physical Maltby. Yah, Holmstrom had a bit of an off year. And guess what? He was still better than Grier. Give him a chance, he'll rebound (at least somewhat). Edited August 12, 2009 by Zetts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esteef 2,679 Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Are you kidding!? Grier had 10 goals in 62 games. Holmstrom had 14 in 53. So first off, Holmstrom was in fact a better goal scoring threat. But even moving past that... Grier has broken 20 goals twice, the most recent being 2000-2001. In fact, those two times "breaking" 20 goals, were in fact 20 goals bang on. Holmstrom has, since the 2000-2001 season broken 20 goals four times, with one of those being 29 goals and another being 30 goals. Holmstrom has been a better offensive player and put up his numbers more recently. ...Grier is a more physical Maltby. Yah, Holmstrom had a bit of an off year. And guess what? He was still better than Grier. Give him a chance, he'll rebound (at least somewhat). Grier can do everything Homer can do and more. I bet his stats would look pretty good too if he played top line minutes (including PP) with Zetts and Dats. Who wouldn't? I love Homer, but it ain't like he's doing something that other players can't do. esteef Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
