Still want to trade Osgood?

[Viking_Erection 1]

Clearly, since it was the fault of the Defence for the losses and Osgood's poor play early on, this recent hot streak and "better play" by Osgood can be directly attributed to the Defence right? Or does the knife not cut both ways in Osgood Apologist Nation?

Whoa, Osgood's playing good. Why does that make you mad?

Nobody is talking about Defense. But I do agree the defense is playing better. That said, look how many shot's Osgoods faced, and came up big. At times the D does still have issues clearing the puck and giving up bad break aways. Thankfully Osgood was there to cover them, as he should.

Don't be mad that Osgood is playing like he is capable of.

Edited November 6, 2009 by Viking_Erection

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I think they deleted yours because it was pretty similar to my thread from a week or two ago.

Same basic theme: JakeRyan can suck it.

I just hope he's getting the message.

[mjlegend 155]

Wings D has let the opposition shoot 34 and 29 shots on goal the previouus two games. Their goal has always been to be more along the 20-25 range, and letting 29-34 is in a pretty dangerous thing to do for most teams, particularly the Sharks.

If they let Kessel fire 10 pucks on net Saturday like Tampa did, they're not doing their job. I love Ozzie but I want to give him a few more great starts before I'd determine if he's truly back in form or not.

[zettie85 106]

Not to get get super excited but these are friendly stats.

3-0-0 0.651 GAA 97.6 SV% 1SO

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Clearly, since it was the fault of the Defence for the losses and Osgood's poor play early on, this recent hot streak and "better play" by Osgood can be directly attributed to the Defence right? Or does the knife not cut both ways in Osgood Apologist Nation?

Did Osgood give you a wedgie or something back in grade school? Good grief.

My ignore list just increased.

[mackel 768]

Did Osgood give you a wedgie or something back in grade school? Good grief.

My ignore list just increased.

I'm pointing out that his struggles early on were blamed by many on the defence, now that we've had 3 good games he's a god like figure in the eyes of those same people. Those folks can't have it both ways, either the whole team is at fault or should be praised.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

I'm pointing out that his struggles early on were blamed by many on the defence, now that we've had 3 good games he's a god like figure in the eyes of those same people. Those folks can't have it both ways, either the whole team is at fault or should be praised.

You wouldn't be thinking of Osgod, would you?

[Doc Holiday 0]

I'm pointing out that his struggles early on were blamed by many on the defence, now that we've had 3 good games he's a god like figure in the eyes of those same people. Those folks can't have it both ways, either the whole team is at fault or should be praised.

The whole team WASN'T blamed, but in games like Buffalo Osgood was straight out hung out to dry. These last few the defense has at least been marginal.

No one is considering Osgood a god, but they are saying he is doing exactly what he needs to win, which is exactly what people like you thought wouldn't happen with the goaltender.

All you are doing is trying to call out the people who support Osgood in order to save face.

[mackel 768]

The whole team WASN'T blamed, but in games like Buffalo Osgood was straight out hung out to dry. These last few the defense has at least been marginal.

No one is considering Osgood a god, but they are saying he is doing exactly what he needs to win, which is exactly what people like you thought wouldn't happen with the goaltender.

All you are doing is trying to call out the people who support Osgood in order to save face.

Their is no face to save... again I'm pointing out that some folks here will blame anything or anyone in an attempt absolve Osgood of his poor play, but in games that he starts and we win or where few goals are scored agaisnt, its all Osgood. That dosen't add up. (PERIOD)

[Viking_Erection 1]

What doesn't add up is why a fan (or someone who enjoys hockey and roots for the Red Wings) is complaining that the goalie is playing well. I don't get why people are mad because the goalie is playing good hockey...

Another observation, when the goalie is playing well and this team is winning, it forum as a whole becomes much less active. But when the goalie plays suspect or we lose a game, the forum is overwhelmed with activity; people come out of their little hole or cave to complain and cry bloody murder. It's like clockwork when the Red Wings lose a game.

I'm thinking some "fans" are really just bandwagon'ers

Edited November 6, 2009 by Viking_Erection

[Dynheart 42]

I still can't understand why people want to seperate the goalie from the team...They are on the same team I believe...right...RIGHT? Ever since hockey was invented defense was the biggest part of preventing goals...not the goalie. The goalie is there because if the defense messes up you need someone there to back stop ya.

I don't know, maybe it's me...but when I see the 'nucks defense break down, the great Luo lets in 7 goals. Same can be said for Broduer...D breaks down all the sudden he lets in 5 pucks. People for some reason think the goalies are supposed to be Mr. Fantastic like and stretch across the crease, abnormally I might add, and stop every puck. They can't, and when they do...it's luck. Now to be lucky you have to be good.

With Ozzie, I've seen this guy miss the puck by 1/2 an inch, maybe 1 inch a million times...Unfortunately he's as small as they come as far as goalies are concerned...and to miss the puck from a quick cross crease pass and one time by 1/2 an inch doesn't sound like he was out of position, but just to small...this is where the D needs to help Ozzie. Know your goalies weakness and help him. Hang him out to dry, you make him look bad...it goes hand and hand...

As for his five hole. Ozzie has always been a stand up style goaltender. It only a couple of years ago that he started the butterfly...but look at Broduer, probably the best since Roy...he's about as close to stand up style your gonna get nowadays...and his weakness is five hole. I've seen countless Broduer threads and they complain about his five hole...I think Ozzie play closer to Brodeur style then most might think...and his weakness is five hole. Coincidence?

I believe Ozzie is still one of the best goalies positionally (explains the boring saves opposed to looking like a ninja when makingsimple saves, top five in the league with his glove hand and top five (possibly top 3) with handling the puck. He actually creates offense, not something you see but from a few (broduer, turco to name a few).

End of the day I still think Ozzie is a outstanding goaltender for his size (bigger advantage than most think around here), and he should NOT be traded.

Edited November 6, 2009 by Dynheart

[waitahochiminute 2]

Hes in line for 400 wins as well. Still can't believe I seen threads about trading him. Gotta love Detroit fans!

[gcom007 1,465]

Their is no face to save... again I'm pointing out that some folks here will blame anything or anyone in an attempt absolve Osgood of his poor play, but in games that he starts and we win or where few goals are scored agaisnt, its all Osgood. That dosen't add up. (PERIOD)

Sure, there are. Others like me, Vladifan, Doc Holiday, SouthernWingsFan among others tend to call it how it is. We'll tell you when Osgood had a bad game and we'll be honest when the team didn't give him a chance to have a good game. Believe it or not, that does happen. It's not like we're just making excuses for Osgood for the sake of propping him up. And besides that, the "people" you refer to that get on the D as opposed to Osgood are profoundly outnumbered by the people who want to shovel the majority of the blame on Osgood.

Again, for clarification:

Osgood's been mostly solid this year, far better than last year and this was being said before the last 3 games even. He had that real stinker game and he's had some soft goals here and there (all goalies do...), but more often than not Osgood's been playing well enough to give this team a chance to win. Far too often early on the team didn't seem too concerned with winning and they left Osgood out to dry. There were games we lost that would've been far worse if not for Osgood's strong play, but the reality is, he can't do it all.

Again, no one's saying he's been perfect, but he hasn't been remotely as bad as many have said. This play the last three games isn't "out of nowhere." He's had many games like this, but finally the TEAM is playing a full game and giving him support. The TEAM is playing like a TEAM. Everyone's doing their part and doing it fairly well and what do you know, suddenly we're winning games and Osgood's stats are going up.

I do think Osgood's played his best in these last 3 games, but as many said, that was bound to happen too as he got more games under his belt and got into the groove again. Funny enough, many of the same people that weren't dead set on crucifying Osgood were also the one's not panicking about the rest of the team either. We said, "give it time, it's October..." And now November rolls around and suddenly we're on a 3 game winning streak, back chasing the 1st spot in the Central, Osgood's got good stats, Z and D are superstars, defense is playing defense...

It's not that we really care so much about defending Osgood, it seems really that many of us are just far more reasonable in our analysis and not prone to succumbing to knee-jerk reactions and irrational hypefests. And thus, time tends to prove us to be right. Imagine that...

[gcom007 1,465]

I still can't understand why people want to seperate the goalie from the team...They are on the same team I believe...right...RIGHT? Ever since hockey was invented defense was the biggest part of preventing goals...not the goalie. The goalie is there because if the defense messes up you need someone there to back stop ya.

I don't know, maybe it's me...but when I see the 'nucks defense break down, the great Luo lets in 7 goals. Same can be said for Broduer...D breaks down all the sudden he lets in 5 pucks. People for some reason think the goalies are supposed to be Mr. Fantastic like and stretch across the crease, abnormally I might add, and stop every puck. They can't, and when they do...it's luck. Now to be lucky you have to be good.

With Ozzie, I've seen this guy miss the puck by 1/2 an inch, maybe 1 inch a million times...Unfortunately he's as small as they come as far as goalies are concerned...and to miss the puck from a quick cross crease pass and one time by 1/2 an inch doesn't sound like he was out of position, but just to small...this is where the D needs to help Ozzie. Know your goalies weakness and help him. Hang him out to dry, you make him look bad...it goes hand and hand...

As for his five hole. Ozzie has always been a stand up style goaltender. It only a couple of years ago that he started the butterfly...but look at Broduer, probably the best since Roy...he's about as close to stand up style your gonna get nowadays...and his weakness is five hole. I've seen countless Broduer threads and they complain about his five hole...I think Ozzie play closer to Brodeur style then most might think...and his weakness is five hole. Coincidence?

I believe Ozzie is still one of the best goalies positionally (explains the boring saves opposed to looking like a ninja when makingsimple saves, top five in the league with his glove hand and top five (possibly top 3) with handling the puck. He actually creates offense, not something you see but from a few (broduer, turco to name a few).

End of the day I still think Ozzie is a outstanding goaltender for his size (bigger advantage than most think around here), and he should NOT be traded.

Wow. Amazing. Someone who has a reasonable opinion and they even take the time to support what they're saying. It's refreshing to see such thought out responses and I definitely agree with the analysis. He's rock solid in terms of his positioning which is why I think he's been able to continue to improve through the years as opposed to losing a step with age. He doesn't get caught having to rely on reflexes so much because he tends to be in the right place at the right time. He's great at reading plays and just generally is a real smart goalie. He's got his weaknesses as you said, but hes got a lot of strengths as well that seem to be paying off for us when it matters most.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he signed an extension next year because as said, I don't think age will affect his play negatively as much as it does for the more acrobatic goalies and clearly he's still capable of being a big game goalie as he's proved two post-seasons in a row. There's no reason for him to retire if he can keep that up and there's no reason for the Wings to look elsewhere when they can have a goalie like Osgood for a $1-1.5 million cap hit.

[mackel 768]

What doesn't add up is why a fan (or someone who enjoys hockey and roots for the Red Wings) is complaining that the goalie is playing well. I don't get why people are mad because the goalie is playing good hockey...

Another observation, when the goalie is playing well and this team is winning, it forum as a whole becomes much less active. But when the goalie plays suspect or we lose a game, the forum is overwhelmed with activity; people come out of their little hole or cave to complain and cry bloody murder. It's like clockwork when the Red Wings lose a game.

I'm thinking some "fans" are really just bandwagon'ers

I've been a Wings fan for 18 years, if that's bandwaggoning then so be it... but I was there during the loss to SJ way back, I was there man, I was there...

Edited November 7, 2009 by mackel

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

BUMP... yep.

[Doc Holiday 0]

BUMP... yep.

That loss was as a team, so if you'd like to be knee-jerk and blame Osgood solely for that loss you are out of your goddamn mind.

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

That loss was as a team, so if you'd like to be knee-jerk and blame Osgood solely for that loss you are out of your goddamn mind.

Thanks for speaking for me.

And no... that is not what I think.

That said... 5?.. to Toronto? He was horrid tonight regardless of the defense.

[Doc Holiday 0]

Thanks for speaking for me.

And no... that is not what I think.

That said... 5?.. to Toronto? He was horrid tonight regardless of the defense.

First goal: Lebda f***ed him over

Second goal: terrible coverage in front and Osgood was trying to do the defenseman's job for him.

Third goal: Snipe in the right corner

Fourth goal: Tipped in front

Fifth goal: Softie

One goal was truly his fault, when the game didn't even matter. He wasn't horrid, he wasn't solid, he was sub-par. The team was also awful.

[HOCKEY MATTERS 167]

Everyone on the ice for the Wings stunk tonite. Everyone. I'm not for trading Ozzie, but WTF is going on with the 5 hole, Oz?!! Button it up.

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

First goal: Lebda f***ed him over

Second goal: terrible coverage in front and Osgood was trying to do the defenseman's job for him.

Third goal: Snipe in the right corner

Fourth goal: Tipped in front

Fifth goal: Softie

One goal was truly his fault, when the game didn't even matter. He wasn't horrid, he wasn't solid, he was sub-par. The team was also awful.

yeah... 5 goals.

Out of 28 shots on goal.

[Viking_Erection 1]

BUMP... yep.

This guy proves that people lurk in the dark hoping for a bad Red Wings' performance to blame the goalie. It's what they live for. Pathetic!

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

This guy proves that people lurk in the dark hoping for a bad Red Wings' performance to blame the goalie. It's what they live for. Pathetic!

Yes... this is why I have watched the Red Wings since a child. To watch them fail.

It has nothing to do with the fact that something in goal has gotta change.

[Viking_Erection 1]

Yes... this is why I have watched the Red Wings since a child. To watch them fail.

It has nothing to do with the fact that something in goal has gotta change.

How old are you then... 1 month old?

You do realize this same thing is said year after year after year from ****** bags like you. While Osgood keeps winning Stanley Cup Championships and taking this team to finals on a consistent basis, there are dumb f***s like you who love bashing Osgood whenever the team has a loss. Last time I checked, Wings only scored 1 goal tonight. Yet you want to blame goaltending? Do America a favor and never reproduce. k'thanks.

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

How old are you then... 1 month old?

You do realize this same thing is said year after year after year from ****** bags like you. While Osgood keeps winning Stanley Cup Championships and taking this team to finals on a consistent basis, there are dumb f***s like you who love bashing Osgood whenever the team has a loss. Last time I checked, Wings only scored 1 goal tonight. Yet you want to blame goaltending? Do America a favor and never reproduce. k'thanks.

Now you're putting words in my mouth? Please point out my "****** baggery". Please point out my "flames".

No Ozzy isn't the whole problem, but he is one right now.

He allowed 5 goals on 28 shots... It's a fact, not a flame, not a he sucks statement. Since this is a goalie thread, I don't give a f*** what we scored.

With a name like Viking Erection, and reproduction jokes, are you sure you don't have a problem with your sexual life? Cause your sounding really REALLY insecure.