Officials...Conspiracy or Incompetence?

[Guest Crymson]

This was not just a bad call---it was a hideous call with no excuse, and there was absolutely no excuse WHATSOEVER for Toronto to not overturn it.

There's no conspiracy, but Toronto's complete unwillingness to admit to error is ludicrous. It's as if they just can't admit to it.

Edited November 19, 2009 by Crymson

[zettie85 106]

You clearly watch the ref follow the shot. Hesitate then blow it dead. Puck was in like 3 seconds before hand. Unfortunately though there are way to many bone head calls we have to deal with. Like the Jet's OT winner here:

Funny thing too is that there is nothing on NHL.com about it. Not one mention. Surprise, surprise!

[skyphoenix 153]

Well they casually mention it in the game recap but they don't say it was wrong or anything.

[zettie85 106]

Well they casually mention it in the game recap but they don't say it was wrong or anything.

Thanks. I didn't actually read the recap. I was more talking about the front page where it says Stars cool Wings. It was like the biggest play of the game and no mention on the front page. Which obviously isn't a surprise. lol

[ComradeWasabi 109]

In this instance, the only thing that Dennis LaRue could have intended to blow was the call.

[zettie85 106]

In this instance, the only thing that Dennis LaRue could have intended to blow was the call.

Well said. haha

[skyphoenix 153]

Thanks. I didn't actually read the recap. I was more talking about the front page where it says Stars cool Wings. It was like the biggest play of the game and no mention on the front page. Which obviously isn't a surprise. lol

Yeah, I don't expect to see anything come out of this. Garbage officiating and Bettman will look the other way. The rule will not change nor will Toronto be given enough power to overturn the refs claim that they intended to whistle the play dead before the puck crossed the goal line. (Which still obviously cannot be the case here).

[Guest Crymson]

Corrected recap:

Edited November 19, 2009 by Crymson

[Carman 387]

LaRue is officially worse the O'Halloran.

[skyphoenix 153]

Yahoo! did actually post this, which is better than nothing.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_dadd...?urn=nhl,203543

[ltgator333 3]

It's more incompetence than anything at this point.

It's not a conspiracy though, it's just as simple as nobody wants to give the wings a break because of the fact that they win so much. Nobody needs to conspire to feel that way.

[Carman 387]

Yahoo! did actually post this, which is better than nothing.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_dadd...?urn=nhl,203543

Not a bad article, can't expect the writer to do much more then that. Also this made me laugh.

Beyond Detroit losing a goal, the worst thing about this situation is that it'll provide further fodder for the tin foil hat society among Wings fans, who are convinced that Gary Bettman and the NHL and the Illuminati and the Stonecutters are all conspiring in some secret cabal to undermine their franchise. Because what business would want one of its most popular, ratings-driving, star-studded franchises to, you know, succeed?

Sooo true haha.

[TheSupafly 50]

I haven't been around in a while due to some crazy stuff going on right now, but when I saw the play on youtube tonight I couldn't believe it. That not being a goal is the biggest joke of officiating that I have ever seen. Not only did the refs blow it, not only did replay fail, but the war room in Toronto called in and they STILL didn't call it a goal? That's pathetic. You guys got totally screwed, and despite my loyalties I still feel terrible for you. I know what I would feel like if that happened against my team. Fans and teams deserve better officiating. I'm still stunned at how poorly this was handled. Anyway...I hope you guys go on a run and get those points back + more. Good luck.

[dropkickshanahans 463]

[Guest Four]

I don't see how they went upstairs and still got robbed >.>

Was Buttman in Toronto?

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

Last Season Brad watson denied the Wings an overtime Annaheim/Game 3. Officials ssuspend Kronwell for a legit hit. Pronger throws Hudler into teh net and it's HUDLER going into the penelty box-Chiacago/Game 3. 7 men allowed on the ice in Game 3 Pittsburgh. nothing. and NOW an officials stops the wings from tyong up the game against Dallas on 11-18-09. Now to those morons that think that there isn't something rotten I want to hear YOUR alternative theory to explain this stuff

There is no conspiracy, and it is absolutely so irritating to see or hear fans act in paranoia or think that the entire world is against their team. They aren't, and I hate when Wings fans act like this.

Plenty of teams get bad calls against them.

And it's largely not the officials either, at least from last night's gaffe. Just horrible rules being set forth in Toronto. Fix some of the damned rules.

Either you blow the whistle to stop a play before the puck crosses the line resulting in no goal, or you don't blow it in time resulting in a goal. No intent to blow the whistle, no gray area crap. Strictly black and white, simple.

That rule is such a joke.

[CenterIce 83]

I don't see how they went upstairs and still got robbed >.>

Was Buttman in Toronto?

Once an official tells Toronto that he had intended to blow the whistle, no replay can over turn it. It is all this ambiguity in the NHL rules that are causing all these problems.

[Hockeytown0001 7,652]

What a stupid quote from Auld. The amount of cameras inside the arena prove that the referee had intent to blow the whistle? Hey schmuck - every camera that captured the play PROVE that the puck was in the net for a good two seconds before the whistle blew. There was no way in hell that the referee was going to blow the whistle during a clean shot on goal. Now, if the referee had been standing somewhere in front of the net and didn't see the puck enter, the whistle can be blown after it appeared that Auld covered the puck, because thats what it looked like from the front. But doesn't it tell you something WHEN HE PULLS THE PUCK OUT OF THE NET WITH HIS OWN STICK?

I've lost complete faith in the NHL. I'm also not going to say that Bettman has instructed officials to make it more difficult for the Red Wings to win - but that sure as hell doesn't mean he isn't glad when they do.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

A few ways to solve this:

Coach's Challenge- NFL style, go directly to Toronto.

Puck/Line Sensor- Review it and if the sensor went off then goal. This was discussed after a game a few days ago.

Eliminate the "I thought about blowing the whistle." If you didn't blow it or weren't in the MOTION to blow it, then it counts. PERIOD!

[Guest lilja4mvp]

Puck/Line Sensor- Review it and if the sensor went off then goal. This was discussed after a game a few days ago.

doesn't apply in this case. it was obvious it was in the net after a review. no ambiguity like the goals scored against chicago recently where the puck was in huet's glove and the glove was in the net.

the problem here is the the ref has the power to overturn virtually any goal with no repercussion. stuff this blatant should be overruled by toronto, no ref say whatsoever - end of story.

[Wings_Dynasty 267]

doesn't apply in this case. it was obvious it was in the net after a review. no ambiguity like the goals scored against chicago recently where the puck was in huet's glove and the glove was in the net.

the problem here is the the ref has the power to overturn virtually any goal with no repercussion. stuff this blatant should be overruled by toronto, no ref say whatsoever - end of story.

Well, the ref couldn't see that the puck was in the net. If the sensor trips the goal light, he may not blow the whistle thinking it's under Auld's pads.

[edicius 3,269]

The big question I have is this: If LaRue genuinely intended to blow the whistle, what was the reason for it? I couldn't see anything happening that would warrant A) a penalty call or B) a frozen puck. It was a goal. LaRue didn't want it to be. Simple as that.

Get off your knees, LaRue. You're blowing the game.

[Guest E_S_A_D]

Not a conspiracy, but administratively the league is run 110% wrong and that starts with Bettman.

[maltbymaniac 13]

At least in basketball, you absolutely know that the star players get the calls, and the jailed official admitted that NBA referees fix the games. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the same kind of stuff happens in the NHL.

this is all that needs to be said.

there was NO reason to blow the whistle PERIOD

Edited November 19, 2009 by maltbymaniac

[rick zombo 3,739]

Someone should be fired for this.

I sincerely mean this.