Re-naming NHL Trophies

[Carman 387]

No I just remember things. I have a good memory, sorry. Just that a few usually neutral posters called you out for your Crosby love.

I'll spell it out for you. When I talk about Crosby it's pretty obvious I'm trying to talk from the exact opposite spectrum then Crosby haters post. That's all.

Although I do think he is one of the best players, I don't really think they should retire his number league wide.

There we go, can't believe I actually had to explain that one.

[Pskov Wings Fan 71]

Seen it on HNiC. I hate the idea. Glen Healy said something to the effect that a lot of hockey fans do not know who Lady Bing was to support the idea. If a hockey fan never made an effort to find out where the names of NHL awards came from it does not make a lot of sense to make a change to cater to such fan.

[RedWings Gone Wild 6]

I'll spell it out for you. When I talk about Crosby it's pretty obvious I'm trying to talk from the exact opposite spectrum then Crosby haters post. That's all.

Although I do think he is one of the best players, I don't really think they should retire his number league wide yet.

There we go, can't believe I actually had to explain that one.

There, that's what you really meant right? I mean, he is still wearing the number after all.

[Carman 387]

There, that's what you really meant right? I mean, he is still wearing the number after all.

Yes, of course. Just thought that would be a given.

[Guest ZetterbergFourty]

I actually have trouble detecting sarcasm with these boards. Sometime's it's blatantly obvious it's sarcasm, and sometimes not so much. Good thing we have our very own Sarcasm Detector and he'll let you know right away if you fail to detect the sarcasm.

[dropkickshanahans 463]

Crosby is better than Ovechkin.

[Theophany 110]

I actually have trouble detecting sarcasm with these boards. Sometime's it's blatantly obvious it's sarcasm, and sometimes not so much. Good thing we have our very own Sarcasm Detector and he'll let you know right away if you fail to detect the sarcasm.

Sorry that I can detect blatant sarcasm and you can't...?

Seriously, the things Carman has said that I've called people are on way too ridiculous for someone to mean seriously.

[eva unit zero 271]

Crosby is better than Ovechkin.

At passing. Not at hockey.

[Carman 387]

At passing. Not at hockey.

And at winning Stanley Cups.

[eva unit zero 271]

And at winning Stanley Cups.

People generally consider Malkin, Crosby, and Ovechkin all on a similar level. How would Washington have done last playoffs if Ovechkin had another teammate as skilled as he is? Probably would have won the conference, excellent chance at winning the Cup.

Number of Cups alone is meaningless in evaluating a player; if the player played on horrible teams and did well in the postseason, or played on Cup winning teams and performed poorly in the postseason, Cup wins tell you incorrect stories about those players.

[Carman 387]

People generally consider Malkin, Crosby, and Ovechkin all on a similar level. How would Washington have done last playoffs if Ovechkin had another teammate as skilled as he is? Probably would have won the conference, excellent chance at winning the Cup.

Number of Cups alone is meaningless in evaluating a player; if the player played on horrible teams and did well in the postseason, or played on Cup winning teams and performed poorly in the postseason, Cup wins tell you incorrect stories about those players.

So you are saying Osgood sucks?

[eva unit zero 271]

So you are saying Osgood sucks?

You shouldn't smoke so much crack. It impairs your ability to comprehend what people write.

[Carman 387]

You shouldn't smoke so much crack. It impairs your ability to comprehend what people write.

Considering Stanley Cups is the only thing Osgood has ever won it's meaningless right? Not like Osgood has a bunch of individual accolades on his mantle.

[Dave 324]

Considering Stanley Cups is the only thing Osgood has ever won it's meaningless right? Not like Osgood has a bunch of individual accolades on his mantle.

You're kind of a toolbox, huh?

[Carman 387]

You're kind of a toolbox, huh?

I'm just using it as an example to try and understand why Stanley Cup wins are meaningless. And why being a PPG performer for over 40 playoff games means you haven't helped your team win a Cup. That's all.

[Guest ZetterbergFourty]

And at winning Stanley Cups.

You are mistaken, Max Talbot won that cup. Crosby sat on the bench most of game 7 and really didnt do much in the Finals at all. Some "Leader".

[Theophany 110]

You are mistaken, Max Talbot won that cup. Crosby sat on the bench most of game 7 and really didnt do much in the Finals at all. Some "Leader".

Honestly, you can hate Crosby all you want, but to say that he didn't contribute in a big way to the Pens' success just makes you look like an idiot.

I'm one of the biggest Crosby haters around, but even I can say that the guy was one of the biggest factors in the Pens' success.

[Carman 387]

You are mistaken, Max Talbot won that cup. Crosby sat on the bench most of game 7 and really didnt do much in the Finals at all. Some "Leader".

Yep, that same "leader" happened to have 63 points in 49 career playoff games. And I'm sure he sat on the bench out of personal choice .

And yes Max Talbot "the guy playing 12 minutes a night" won them the cup. He was the complete difference between the Pittsburgh Penguins and the Detroit Red Wings.

[rage 24]

At passing. Not at hockey.

QFT.

[eva unit zero 271]

I'm just using it as an example to try and understand why Stanley Cup wins are meaningless. And why being a PPG performer for over 40 playoff games means you haven't helped your team win a Cup. That's all.

Sidney Crosby playoff stats:

49 GP, 24-39-63, +16, 30 PIM

Team playoff record in those years: 32-16

Alexander Ovechkin playoff stats:

21 GP, 15-15-30, +9, 8 PIM

Team playoff record in those years: 10-11

Ovechkin has better numbers than Crosby does in the postseason. Crosby's team has a better won-lost record. The clear answer here is that Ovechkin has outperformed Crosby in the postseason, but has been playing on a worse team.

So that "Better at winning Stanley Cups" holds no water.

As for Osgood...you don't win 400 regular season games, go your entire career without posting a losing record, put up playoff numbers that are comparable to Patrick Roy, and post numbers in general that are comparable to the greatest goaltenders of all-time and have that be called 'no accomplishments.'

[Carman 387]

So Crosby playing 30~ or so more games in the playoffs and having comparable stats means Ovechkin is a better performer? Sorry I'm not a fan of "on pace" numbers.

That said I think it's ridiculous to compare the two anyways. I don't think your wrong for thinking Ovechkin is better, I just don't see how I am wrong for picking Crosby.

[Guest ZetterbergFourty]

Yep, that same "leader" happened to have 63 points in 49 career playoff games. And I'm sure he sat on the bench out of personal choice .

And yes Max Talbot "the guy playing 12 minutes a night" won them the cup. He was the complete difference between the Pittsburgh Penguins and the Detroit Red Wings.

Yeah man, you're f***in right! Depth killed the Red Wings, how ironic.

[Carman 387]

Yeah man, you're f***in right! Depth killed the Red Wings, how ironic.

Yeah, Talbot is the reason the Penguins won. Of course it had nothing to do with injuries or anything like that.

[eva unit zero 271]

So Crosby playing 30~ or so more games in the playoffs and having comparable stats means Ovechkin is a better performer? Sorry I'm not a fan of "on pace" numbers.

That said I think it's ridiculous to compare the two anyways. I don't think your wrong for thinking Ovechkin is better, I just don't see how I am wrong for picking Crosby.

Crosby scored 33 more points in 28 more games. Ovechkin's pace over another 28 games would be 40 points. So Ovechkin could dip well below his current playoff pace and he still outscores Crosby over that number of games.

But the thing is, Ovechkin hasn't had the teammates to help him win rounds the way Crosby has. You play more games and have more opportunity to post numbers if your team is better. Ovechkin would have absolutely crazy playoff stats if he had a Malkin on his team like Crosby does.

[Guest ZetterbergFourty]

Honestly, you can hate Crosby all you want, but to say that he didn't contribute in a big way to the Pens' success just makes you look like an idiot.

I'm one of the biggest Crosby haters around, but even I can say that the guy was one of the biggest factors in the Pens' success.

I'll agree with you for thru to the 4th round, but that's where we're at odds. He didnt do s*** in the Finals, (which everyone knows is what counts, for all the marbles!) Which actually is probably more Datsyuk/Zetterberg's doing than his own.

According to this series log i pulled up, Crosby had one goal the entire 7 games. Wow, what a ******* superstar, way to step up eh? And of course the game seven, the guy barely touched him along the boards, what's he gotta sit out for?