tarpit 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 I think that Markstrom was way better even before the draft. If you look att the Junior World Cup, so far, he has dominated. Thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted January 1, 2010 (edited) Maybe because they picked a Euro before (Stefan Liv) and didn't work very well, and daniels larosson will probably never play in the nhl, and I guess the NA-scouts won the arguments this time with a CHL goalie who knows the small ice and the playing style of north america, but there is no doubt that markstrom is a way bigger talent than McCollum and also better physique. It's probably fair to say that drafting the highest ranked NA-goalie is more of a safe-card than the highest ranked euro goalie because they might as well choke even though they have amazing talent and own the euro leagues. Edited January 1, 2010 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GROwl 5 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 Agreed. Wings have been having some back luck lately with Scandanavian prospects. They don't like the idea of playing in the AHL first. Stefan Liv at least finished the season. Johan Ryno and Dick Axelsson didn't even make to Christmas (twice Ryno went home early). Ville Leino also made it through the year...but said no way would he spend a second year in GR. The Wings need to have a better orientation system before the prospects are brought over to North America. McCollum at least doesn't have cultural differences to deal with. He can focus on hockey. Part of McCollum's deal is that he is so young-barely old enough to play in the AHL. Maybe another year in Juniors would have done him good. He let in another quick set of three ugly goals last night after coming in to relieve Larsson. For both of their sake, I'll agree defense was woefully lacking with the makeshift team the Griffins put together... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miller Brew 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 How can anyone make a judgment yet? Neither goalie even made it to the NHL yet. Goalies take a while to groom and what you see today is not what you're going to see in 5 years. Start this thread in 5 years, it'll have more relevance. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised who the better goalie is when they actually play in the NHL. That said, Thomas McCollum is going to be a no.1 and with Howard playing so solid (and if he keeps it up) you might not see McCollum starting here. He may be trade bait, but who knows. That's a long ways down the road. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 I would be ashamed to have this guy in a wings uniform...or a griffins one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GROwl 5 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 How can anyone make a judgment yet? Neither goalie even made it to the NHL yet. Goalies take a while to groom and what you see today is not what you're going to see in 5 years. Start this thread in 5 years, it'll have more relevance. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised who the better goalie is when they actually play in the NHL. Exactly. You can't make it a one season (or a partial season) commitment and expect to become NHL caliber ... goalie or skater. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grsbmd 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 All things being equal, you take the guy who regularly plays on an NHL-sized ice surface. The guy from Europe, as good as he might be, will still have to make an adjustment at some point, which some guys (Liv) are never able to do well. McCollum and Markstrom were pretty much equal in the scouts's minds, so I don't blame the wings at all for drafting McCollum, who could still turn out to be a great goaltender. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 I would be ashamed to have this guy in a wings uniform...or a griffins one Yes because Ozzie never, ever tried to sell a goalie interference... neither did like 95% of all other NHL goaltenders. And I'm sure no other 17-18 year old kid has ever done it either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 Yes because Ozzie never, ever tried to sell a goalie interference... neither did like 95% of all other NHL goaltenders. And I'm sure no other 17-18 year old kid has ever done it either. That was really bad on markstrom's part...and you know it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted January 1, 2010 those dives are hilariously over the top Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SweWings 45 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 That was really bad on markstrom's part...and you know it He's young, he'll learn. Besides, saying that you'd be ashamed if he put on a Red Wings jersey means you most likely should've committed ritualized suicide when Chelios or Bertuzzi joined the team considering the fun things they're famous for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 He's young, he'll learn. Besides, saying that you'd be ashamed if he put on a Red Wings jersey means you most likely should've committed ritualized suicide when Chelios or Bertuzzi joined the team considering the fun things they're famous for. I never was a fan of bertuzzi coming here, and never a fan of what he did... but he is from my hometown But i hardly think i should have killed myself over Chelios and Bertuzzi putting on the winged wheel. It is a different situation then a young goaltender who put on quite the act when he was in the spotlight of the WJC Finals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miller Brew 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 He's young, he'll learn. Besides, saying that you'd be ashamed if he put on a Red Wings jersey means you most likely should've committed ritualized suicide when Chelios or Bertuzzi joined the team considering the fun things they're famous for. Agreed. There's only one player in the NHL that'd I would be ashamed of having in Detroit and that's Sidney Crosby. Though he's probably considered one of the top 5 - 10 best players currently in the NHL... he is, in my mind, the worse player to represent your city or hockey club. I have no opinion about Markstrom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 That was really bad on markstrom's part...and you know it Didn't say that it wasn't, it's just a funny comment to make when we have Osgood in a Red Wings uniform. Besides, he's a kid that lost his composure in one game because the Canadians were doing their best to get in his face. It happens. Doesn't make him any less of a promising goaltender. If you saw his play against Finland last night you'd never say no to having him play for the Wings.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WingsallTheway 383 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 Didn't say that it wasn't, it's just a funny comment to make when we have Osgood in a Red Wings uniform. Besides, he's a kid that lost his composure in one game because the Canadians were doing their best to get in his face. It happens. Doesn't make him any less of a promising goaltender. If you saw his play against Finland last night you'd never say no to having him play for the Wings.. Yeah, of course he is good...but it just shows what kind of player he could turn out to be. I just find it emberassing when players dive all over the place, like when osgood ate that slash to the chest and flopped like hed just been shot..its just not fun to watch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellowknife Redwing 57 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 When all is said and done, I still think that McCollum is going to be a much better NHL goaltender than Markstrom but I have to admit that pick mystified me when it happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 Didn't say that it wasn't, it's just a funny comment to make when we have Osgood in a Red Wings uniform. And Franzen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 After the show he put on in last years world juniors I'm glad Markstrom isn't a wing. Mcollum didn't have a great tourny but he didn't act like a little girl after letting in a couple goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 I would be ashamed to have this guy in a wings uniform...or a griffins one Wow. That's embarrassing. He should go play soccer, not hockey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings1110 184 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 I would be ashamed to have this guy in a wings uniform...or a griffins one a little bit of over imbelishment is ok but that is just over the top rediculous Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted January 1, 2010 a little bit of over imbelishment is ok but that is just over the top rediculous Exactly. All goalies embellish a little to try and draw a call, but that's Ribiero worthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
