Worst Red Wings trade of the Decade?

[KATIEBARTHEDOOR24 426]

I always have wished Wendall Clark being here a little sooner and stayin' longer.That was all wishful thinkin'.

[miller76 463]

I can't think of a recent trade that was horrible in the past decade. But the Red Wings traded Adam Oates and Paul MacLean to the St. Louis Blues for Bernie Federko and Tony McKegney back in 1989. So basically they shipped off a 36 goal scorer, line mate of Steve Yzerman, for an out of shape washed up winger, who in turn played 14 games, and was a complete locker room cancer. He wanted the leadership role on the team, but Steve was already the man here. Frustrated , Federko retired after that season. Oates went on to set up Hull and Neely with a great career.

The Flyers also traded Forsberg, Duschene, Hextall a first rounder, plus a couple other players including Chris Simon to Quebec for Lindros. No Cup in Philly, but the Nords moved to Colorado and won the Cup within two years. This deal also set up the Roy to Colorado deal. Because that first rounder that was involved with the Lindros trade, was Thibault. Thibault with two others were traded to Montreal for Roy and Mike Keane. And if you remember Roy had a falling out with Tremblay, Montreal's coach at the time for him leaving Roy in the game when your Detroit Red Wings smoked him and the Habs 11-1 that night in Montreal. So I guess you can say these trades are all just one big circle jerk if you will.

Sorry I went on so long here, I just wrote a blog the other day on this topic.

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

he seems to be making pretty good money being sub-par defensively

So is Rafalski. That doesn't mean I want him as the #1 defenseman.

Right now Green is a defenseman who will score you a lot of goals in the regular season, but not someone you can trust out there come playoff time.

Granted he's only 24. There's plenty of time for his defensive game to develop. I'm just tired of hearing how great he is when he is a mediocre defenseman with minimal defensive responsibilities (for a 5 mill a year D man) and a great offensive game. There's a reason Stevie didn't pick him for Team Canada.

[miller76 463]

So is Rafalski. That doesn't mean I want him as the #1 defenseman.

Right now Green is a defenseman who will score you a lot of goals in the regular season, but not someone you can trust out there come playoff time.

Granted he's only 24. There's plenty of time for his defensive game to develop. I'm just tired of hearing how great he is when he is a mediocre defenseman with minimal defensive responsibilities (for a 5 mill a year D man) and a great offensive game. There's a reason Stevie didn't pick him for Team Canada.

This ^^^^^^ well put Harold

[thedisappearer 291]

So is Rafalski. That doesn't mean I want him as the #1 defenseman.

Right now Green is a defenseman who will score you a lot of goals in the regular season, but not someone you can trust out there come playoff time.

Granted he's only 24. There's plenty of time for his defensive game to develop. I'm just tired of hearing how great he is when he is a mediocre defenseman with minimal defensive responsibilities (for a 5 mill a year D man) and a great offensive game. There's a reason Stevie didn't pick him for Team Canada.

Post of the night.

[RedFX 48]

Really Kenny just hasn't made any really bad trades this decade. In retrospect there have been some "what-if" players dealt (Flieschman, Avery) but at the time it turned out to be a good deal.

[Shady Ultima 40]

And if you remember Roy had a falling out with Tremblay, Montreal's coach at the time for him leaving Roy in the game when your Detroit Red Wings smoked him and the Habs 11-1 that night in Montreal. So I guess you can say these trades are all just one big circle jerk if you will.

There's the reason why the Avs had the rivalry with the Wings then...

Not to mention Vernon and Roy hated each other.

[GMRwings1983 8,804]

If we traded Yzerman for Yashin, I imagine that would be on the list.

[Nightfall 871]

Waiving Quincey

I agree here. I wish we got something for this guy. He is a solid defensemen that will put up 30+ assists a season for many years to come.

[Tane 17]

I can't think of a recent trade that was horrible in the past decade. But the Red Wings traded Adam Oates and Paul MacLean to the St. Louis Blues for Bernie Federko and Tony McKegney back in 1989. So basically they shipped off a 36 goal scorer, line mate of Steve Yzerman, for an out of shape washed up winger, who in turn played 14 games, and was a complete locker room cancer. He wanted the leadership role on the team, but Steve was already the man here. Frustrated , Federko retired after that season. Oates went on to set up Hull and Neely with a great career.

The Flyers also traded Forsberg, Duschene, Hextall a first rounder, plus a couple other players including Chris Simon to Quebec for Lindros. No Cup in Philly, but the Nords moved to Colorado and won the Cup within two years. This deal also set up the Roy to Colorado deal. Because that first rounder that was involved with the Lindros trade, was Thibault. Thibault with two others were traded to Montreal for Roy and Mike Keane. And if you remember Roy had a falling out with Tremblay, Montreal's coach at the time for him leaving Roy in the game when your Detroit Red Wings smoked him and the Habs 11-1 that night in Montreal. So I guess you can say these trades are all just one big circle jerk if you will.

Sorry I went on so long here, I just wrote a blog the other day on this topic.

Jimmy Devellano Made that trade. In His Book, he admitted it was a Bad trade, and one of the only couple that he regretted, but his rational behind it was that Adam Oates Wasn't tough enough to win a Cup with. As you saw throughout the Rest of his Career, Jimmy D was Right. no team Ever won a cup with Oates. You could chalk that up to coincidence, Or, Chalk it up to a man that had a Hand in building 8 Stanley cup Champions knowing what he was doing.

Granted, He should have gotten more out of that trade, But I see His Rational. 2 years in a Row, We made the Conference Finals. Bernie Federko was the all time leading Scorer for the Blues, and Tony McKegney was a multi time 30 Goal Scorer in the 80's. Trade away a guy you don't think you can win with for 2 top 6 forwards, and hope that will help you take the next step.

I think it was a good Idea in Theory, But the players he got back just didn't produce the way he expected. Some times you just get unlucky.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

Trading Robert Lang for a legitimate 2nd line sniper in Tomas Fleischmann. That one hurts.

[eva unit zero 271]

Since we have included waiver wire stuff;

Waiving Chris Osgood instead of Manny Legace in 2001. Had Legace been waived, Detroit would only have needed a backup goaltender after Hasek retired; likely Marc Lamothe, who was named best goaltender in the AHL in the 2002-03 season. Lamothe would have played for the Griffins in 2003-04 after Hasek's return from retirement.

As for Wings trades since 2000:

The worst trade was Jason Williams for Kyle Calder. Calder had a nice run in Detroit in the regular season, but he disappeared in the playoffs and then jumped ship. He's also always been much more expensive than Williams, who typically outproduces him offensively.

[Guest Crymson]

Just reading the Internet, And Came across again what we gave up for Robert Lang. Tomas Fleischmann, a 1st rounder in 04 (Mike Green) and a 4th rounder in 06 (luke Lynes)

Basically we got Lang and gave up the Highest Scoring D-man since Paul Coffey, and A good young 20-30 goal scorer.

Possibly the Worst Trade since the Federko trade?

I'm still glad we did it. We gave up a prospect and a late first round for who was, at the time one of the leading scorers in the NHL. I think it was a good trade that just ended horribly.

You could also argue, there's no guarentee that we would have taken Green, but that's who that pick ended up being. Maybe it's just the BEST trade made by the Caps? Was there a worse trade Since Federko than this?

(I'd have to give number 2 to Cheveldae and Drake for Essensa and Bautin)

Edit : Worst Red Wings trade this decade

We got Lang, and we gave up a fourth-round pick and a prospect. Note that that was a draft pick. One cannot have looked at the time of the trade and said "Oh, wow, that pick will definitely be huge for the Caps!" It wasn't a terrible trade for Detroit, and it wasn't a great trade for Washington either. We got Lang, who was a pretty good scorer for a few years. They got Fleischmann, who is a decent scorer, and a draft pick---NOT Mike Green. It was not the trade that got them Green; it was the decision their scouting team chose to make with the pick.

[FinWing 26]

Trading Robert Lang for a legitimate 2nd line sniper in Tomas Fleischmann. That one hurts.

Lang was the leading scorer in the league at the time and a pretty damn good player for us for a few years.

EDIT: Repeating what Crymson said.

Edited January 12, 2010 by FinWing

[toby91_ca 620]

The worst trade was Jason Williams for Kyle Calder. Calder had a nice run in Detroit in the regular season, but he disappeared in the playoffs and then jumped ship. He's also always been much more expensive than Williams, who typically outproduces him offensively.

Williams is just as bad in the playoffs.

[eva unit zero 271]

The best trade that wasn't made!

Going back in time here...Adam Graves to Edmonton with Petr Klima, Joe Murphy and Jeff Sharples for Jimmy Carson, Kevin McClelland and Edmonton's 5th round choice.

Looking at what the Wings gave up in various trades that were still with the teams they were traded to, or the return from those traded to. This is as of 1998, for both the Wings and trade partners, projected from players involved in the Carson/Murphy deal. Only post-trade NHL regulars will be mentioned.

Keith Primeau, Dean McAmmond and Bobby Dollas for Brendan Shanahan.

Trade partners included Edmonton, Los Angeles, and Hartford. Edmonton and Los Angeles each went to the Cup final immediately after the trade, with Edmonton winning. Detroit went to the Cup final the season of the Shanahan trade, winning that season and repeating the next year.

Detroit 2, Edmonton 1, Hartford 0, Los Angeles 0.

[eva unit zero 271]

Williams is just as bad in the playoffs.

Take away his 0 points in 9 games on the fourth line in 2002, and he has much better career numbers. Calder's career numbers are second-line numbers with PP time.

[toby91_ca 620]

Take away his 0 points in 9 games on the fourth line in 2002, and he has much better career numbers. Calder's career numbers are second-line numbers with PP time.

Adjust the stats however you think will support your opinion, but even ignoring the 0 points in 9 games, he stats are still brutal.

[eva unit zero 271]

Adjust the stats however you think will support your opinion, but even ignoring the 0 points in 9 games, he stats are still brutal.

2-1-3 in 18 games is worse than 1-2-3 in 15 games.

Neither has done well offensively in the postseason, but without his rookie year on the fourth line, Williams' numbers are better. Fact.

[Tane 17]

Looking at what the Wings gave up in various trades that were still with the teams they were traded to, or the return from those traded to. This is as of 1998, for both the Wings and trade partners, projected from players involved in the Carson/Murphy deal. Only post-trade NHL regulars will be mentioned.

Keith Primeau, Dean McAmmond and Bobby Dollas for Brendan Shanahan.

Trade partners included Edmonton, Los Angeles, and Hartford. Edmonton and Los Angeles each went to the Cup final immediately after the trade, with Edmonton winning. Detroit went to the Cup final the season of the Shanahan trade, winning that season and repeating the next year.

Detroit 2, Edmonton 1, Hartford 0, Los Angeles 0.

Jimmy carson Was a 30 Goal Scorer.

Again, In Jimmy D's Autobiography, I'm pretty sure this was the 2nd trade he regretted. But really, They were making a Push for the Cup. Adding 30 Goal Scorer Jimmy Carson, 30 Goal Scorer Tony McKegny, and Bernie Federko, a veteran, and All time Leading Point getter in Blues History, in theory could have been what they needed to get past the Oilers (If anyone Could get past the Oilers)

Things just didn't happen in real life the way they should have on Paper. Maybe Going after Gilmour from St.Louis Instead of Federko and McKegny, for Adam Oates woulda made a Difference, But either way, Jimmy D was making moves that he thouhgt would put him over the top, and trying to do what it took to Win. I respect that.

And I agree with eva up there....Jimmy carson led to Paul Coffey, Which was great, and then led to Brendan Shanahan, Which Led to 3 Cups.

Jimmy Carson wasn't tough enough to be a Real Impact player in the NHL. Jimmy D took a LOT of flack for Taking Joe Murphy ahead of him in that Draft, And Jimmy Carson put up Solid Goal and Point totals up until he left Detroit. Although those trades still do look pretty bad, after all was said and done....they really wern't all THAT bad.

[eva unit zero 271]

Jimmy carson Was a 30 Goal Scorer.

Again, In Jimmy D's Autobiography, I'm pretty sure this was the 2nd trade he regretted. But really, They were making a Push for the Cup. Adding 30 Goal Scorer Jimmy Carson, 30 Goal Scorer Tony McKegny, and Bernie Federko, a veteran, and All time Leading Point getter in Blues History, in theory could have been what they needed to get past the Oilers (If anyone Could get past the Oilers)

Things just didn't happen in real life the way they should have on Paper. Maybe Going after Gilmour from St.Louis Instead of Federko and McKegny, for Adam Oates woulda made a Difference, But either way, Jimmy D was making moves that he thouhgt would put him over the top, and trying to do what it took to Win. I respect that.

And I agree with eva up there....Jimmy carson led to Paul Coffey, Which was great, and then led to Brendan Shanahan, Which Led to 3 Cups.

Jimmy Carson wasn't tough enough to be a Real Impact player in the NHL. Jimmy D took a LOT of flack for Taking Joe Murphy ahead of him in that Draft, And Jimmy Carson put up Solid Goal and Point totals up until he left Detroit. Although those trades still do look pretty bad, after all was said and done....they really wern't all THAT bad.

Those trades were absolutely as bad as they look.

However, the Wings have made excellent management decisions by getting back more than they gave up through the 90s and 2000s. Over this period the Oilers have made very poor decisions. The Oilers lost Graves to free agency and traded Murphy and Klima away in separate trades that yielded McAmmond, Kravchuk, and a minor leaguer. Kravchuk was traded with Ken Sutton for Bobby Dollas. So as you can see, although the Oilers won the Carson trade, they kept giving up more talent than they received in later deals, which is what really led to the decline of the team.