stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) There's a reason why Jeff Lerg wasn't even drafted after his STELLAR career at MSU... The NHL is a tall, athletic goaltenders league (Brodeur, Miller, Luongo, etc....) Howard is over 6'... Ozzie is only 5'10... Of the top 10 SV% leading goalies in the NHL right now, only ONE of them is under 6' (Halak in MTL is 5'11") it's not a coincidence... Edited January 28, 2010 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeWasabi 109 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 barely played in the NHL and had sub-par numbers at best when he did... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ComradeWasabi 109 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 barely played in the NHL and had sub-par numbers at best when he did... Yeah, he wasn't much of a goaltender, but in a thread about goalies and size, Darren Pang has to be mentioned, even if satirically. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FinWing 26 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 I thought this was about equipment size. That needs to be cut down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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adubs 8 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 Mike Vernon is the first guy that comes to mind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy_Like_Wingy 25 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 I always love these. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hillbillywingsfan 794 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 thats not what my wifre says. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) Mike Vernon was only 5'9", and never had a problem. So those 2" in height make Howard a better goalie than Osgood?...I'm of the opinion that in net - size isn't as important as athletic prowess...If size were everything - look what happened to Snow, and take a look at Giguere, and his poor performance. Now for a position like defence size can be of a benefit. there are always going to be exceptions to the rule... and Howard is closer to 6'1 - so that's almost 3 inches and if you're a real hockey fan, you should know that hockey is a game of inches and those 3 inches (especially top shelf when in the butterfly) make a WORLD of difference... also, don't forget about the just overall larger frame that generally goes with a taller person... Edited January 28, 2010 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,804 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 This is a bit of a misleading thread. Goalies now are bigger than they used to be, and it's rare to see a goalie under 6'0 come into the NHL. The fact that most of the goalies with good numbers this season happen to be over 6'0 is because there aren't many goalies nowadays under 6'0. Seems pretty simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 Size only matters if there's skill to go with it. EDIT - proof in the pudding ---> very true - but 2 goalies - 1 has A+ grade skill and is 5'6" and another has A grade skill and is 6'2" - The 6'2" goalie will be more successful 99 times out of 100 that video is both creepy and hilarious at the same time by the way, haha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 This is a bit of a misleading thread. Goalies now are bigger than they used to be, and it's rare to see a goalie under 6'0 come into the NHL. The fact that most of the goalies with good numbers this season happen to be over 6'0 is because there aren't many goalies nowadays under 6'0. Seems pretty simple. Tim Thomas, 5'11'' Tomas Vokoun, 5'11'' Jose Theodore, 5'11'' Jaroslav Halak, 5'11'' Marty Turco, 5'11'' Vesa Toskala, 5'10'' Chris Osgood, 5'10" just a few... and out of them, how many are elite NHL goalies? ONE - another one is damn good, but inconsistent(Thomas) and another TBD(Halak) I think you're probably pretty accurate, but why was a guy like Lerg not even drafted, if that was all there was to it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjlegend 155 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) Kenny needs to trade for Blues' prospect Ben Bishop. Edited January 28, 2010 by mjlegend Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blues_demitra38 11 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 Ozzie's height hasn't mattered in the last two playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pucks 66 Report post Posted January 28, 2010 Ozzie's height hasn't mattered in the last two playoffs. Really? I wished he was 6'4" in the finals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted January 29, 2010 Ozzie's height hasn't mattered in the last two playoffs. very true - but 2 goalies - 1 has A+ grade skill and is 5'6" and another has A grade skill and is 6'2" - The 6'2" goalie will be more successful 99 times out of 100 that video is both creepy and hilarious at the same time by the way, haha and I agree with the other statement... I wish he had been 6'4" last year too...... In the past, his athleticism made up for his lack of height, but he has lost a step(or two) and it is glaringly obvious on his lateral movement... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellowknife Redwing 57 Report post Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) Further elaboration Jose Theodore, 5'11'' - 28th in the league in SV% Marty Turco, 5'11'' - 29th in the league in SV% Vesa Toskala, 5'10'' - 47th in the league in SV% (worst in the entire league) Chris Osgood, 5'10" - 44th in the league in SV% No bulls***, I think a Ben Bishop/Alex Auld duo would win you a s***load of games based purely on the fact that the puck is gonna hit them more Edited January 29, 2010 by Yellowknife Redwing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerman191 37 Report post Posted January 29, 2010 A quick scan of the Vezina trophy winner list yields: Terry Sawchuk - 5'11". Grant Fuhr - 5'10". Dominik Hasek - 5'11". Bernie Parent - 5'10". Tony Esposito - 5'11". Glenn Hall - 5'11". There are a few pretty capable goaltenders in there, despite being under 6'0". I'm not really sure how much that extra inch or two adds, and I don't think the evidence is there to support the claim that it's not just a coincidence. Perform a statistical test and then make that claim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SDavis35 140 Report post Posted January 29, 2010 A quick scan of the Vezina trophy winner list yields: Terry Sawchuk - 5'11". Grant Fuhr - 5'10". Dominik Hasek - 5'11". Bernie Parent - 5'10". Tony Esposito - 5'11". Glenn Hall - 5'11". There are a few pretty capable goaltenders in there, despite being under 6'0". I'm not really sure how much that extra inch or two adds, and I don't think the evidence is there to support the claim that it's not just a coincidence. Perform a statistical test and then make that claim. Hasek was also quite skinny, and only weighing in at 160 lbs or so. Of Course... his style definitely helped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellowknife Redwing 57 Report post Posted January 29, 2010 A quick scan of the Vezina trophy winner list yields: Terry Sawchuk - 5'11". - Hasn't played in 40 years Grant Fuhr - 5'10". - Hasn't played in 10 years, hasn't been successful in over 20 years Dominik Hasek - 5'11". - He was anything but a typical goaltender with a style completely his own, but I'll let you have this one Bernie Parent - 5'10". - Hasn't played in 30 years Tony Esposito - 5'11". - Hasn't played in 26 years Glenn Hall - 5'11". - Hasn't played in 40 years There are a few pretty capable goaltenders in there, despite being under 6'0". I'm not really sure how much that extra inch or two adds, and I don't think the evidence is there to support the claim that it's not just a coincidence. Perform a statistical test and then make that claim. I am by no means trying to diminish the accomplishments of these goaltenders, because they are the all time greats. That said, with the exception of Hasek, they are completely irrelevant to the OP's point. He's talking about the modern game and you know it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted January 29, 2010 This reminds me of the old thread where we wondered if a morbidly obese goalie who could fill the net would be a good idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted January 29, 2010 I am by no means trying to diminish the accomplishments of these goaltenders, because they are the all time greats. That said, with the exception of Hasek, they are completely irrelevant to the OP's point. He's talking about the modern game and you know it. thank you - couldn't have said it better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) This reminds me of the old thread where we wondered if a morbidly obese goalie who could fill the net would be a good idea. no way, because they would still be able to jam PLENTY of pucks by his feet... as I said earlier in the thread, athleticism is EXTREMELY important, however: very true - but 2 goalies - 1 has A+ grade skill and is 5'6" and another has A grade skill and is 6'2" - The 6'2" goalie will be more successful 99 times out of 100 Also, what is one of the FIRST things you are taught about shooting the puck when starting hockey? - Aim for the goalies skate blade, because you'll get him sliding from side to side and probably sneak it past him - I've scored WAY more goals on the ice, than I have top shelf... and what wins playoff games? dirty, hard nosed goals... Edited January 29, 2010 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travis 576 Report post Posted January 29, 2010 no way, because they would still be able to jam PLENTY of pucks by his feet... as I said earlier in the thread, athleticism is EXTREMELY important, That, coupled with the fact that tons of pucks would hit him in all the fat that his pads wouldn't cover. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
