Guest micah Report post Posted February 8, 2010 Its stereotyping actually. All X are Y. Cherry never said ALL X are anything that I know of. Can you share some specific examples or are you just making things up? I know he's said good things about Europeans in the past, and he hasn't been shy about praising the few Europeans who do embrace the style of playing that he and the fans appreciate most. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWings Gone Wild 6 Report post Posted February 8, 2010 Cherry never said ALL X are anything that I know of. Can you share some specific examples or are you just making things up? I know he's said good things about Europeans in the past, and he hasn't been shy about praising the few Europeans who do embrace the style of playing that he and the fans appreciate most. Wrong x2. For starters he's gone out and overly criticized Ovechkin and Malkin on multiple occasions for their physical style of play, while defending Pronger, Richards, Phaneuf, and other Canadian born players... at the very most if a Canadian does something indefensible he'll go on record as "well, he's a nice guy, but he made a mental mistake"... like he did when Laraque knee to kneed Kronwall... Secondly... of course Cherry isn't going to go on TV and start saying "all Euros are soft and just want money." But he subtly implies it with the players he chooses to defend and criticize. He'll even find secondary ways of implying it, like I said before, when he came out and publicly stated people who wear visors don't respect other players because they don't fear repercussions (and he said that's why most Euros and "Frenchies" wear visors).... turns out when a study was done that visor wearers are actually less likely to high stick opponents. Again, a very big disconnect from the truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted February 8, 2010 I've been a fan of Don Cherry forever. I have never respected his opinion, because he is more full of s***e than I am. He has an opinion on just about everything, feels very strongly about it, and certainly is not shy about shouting it out loud. Who cares. His opinions don't matter. Anyone who takes him seriously enough to have their day ruined, deserves their misery. I can see his line of thinking sometimes, but he is in fact a nut-job. That's why he's so funny to me. I mean c'mon....wearing those lovely suits and ties, huffing and puffing his veiws....I used to put him right up there with "the Ghoul" when I was a kid. "pluck yer magic twanger, Froggy!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted February 8, 2010 People hate Cherry because alot of the things he say are true but he has the balls to say it. He's kind of like the Canadian hockey slim shady. Everything he said about the world juniors was true but people flamed him for that, that doesn't make him a senile old fool like I've seen so many people saying. Maybe he ripped Lidstrom a little bit but I think most of what he said was directed at how Phaneuf needs tos tep up his game again and start playing like he can. Oh and if North Americans are coached worst then Euros then why is North America completely dominating the world junior stage? A lot of people dislike him because of the tone he brings out with his opinions. I've found that most people who hate Don Cherry and think he is a joke are either liberal, hippie pussbags or extremely insecure hockey fans. Not really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lomekian 201 Report post Posted February 8, 2010 I've found that most people who hate Don Cherry and think he is a joke are either liberal, hippie pussbags or extremely insecure hockey fans. I was about to post about How Don Cherry's not that bad, and has a fair amount of insight to accompany is pro canadian bias, outdated views and deliberate controversy. And I'm from Europe....however, I was thrown out my stride by the above quote - I love the way that so many people that side of the pond are anti-liberal, when theoretically both the USA and Canada acheived their independence based on libitarian pro equality principles ripped off from the french. But i suppose a principle of freedom includes the freedom to be an idiot... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted February 8, 2010 I was about to post about How Don Cherry's not that bad, and has a fair amount of insight to accompany is pro canadian bias, outdated views and deliberate controversy. And I'm from Europe....however, I was thrown out my stride by the above quote - I love the way that so many people that side of the pond are anti-liberal, when theoretically both the USA and Canada acheived their independence based on libitarian pro equality principles ripped off from the french. But i suppose a principle of freedom includes the freedom to be an idiot... ^ "truth" What the Colonists did to the British was nothing short of terrorism. I guess it's different when it's "us" fighting for our idea of what freedom is. Cherry is right on the money with the whole freedom of speech thing. Anyone that wants to take that freedom away from the old fool, will have to give up one of their own freedoms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted February 8, 2010 I was about to post about How Don Cherry's not that bad, and has a fair amount of insight to accompany is pro canadian bias, outdated views and deliberate controversy. And I'm from Europe....however, I was thrown out my stride by the above quote - I love the way that so many people that side of the pond are anti-liberal, when theoretically both the USA and Canada acheived their independence based on libitarian pro equality principles ripped off from the french. But i suppose a principle of freedom includes the freedom to be an idiot... I could have sworn politics had nothing to do with this thread. Guess I was wrong... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicPunk 296 Report post Posted February 9, 2010 I just watched the Don Cherry commentary...he didn't "Rip Lidstrom" as much as he was trying to pump up Dion Phaneuf. He also picked and chose the stats he wanted to accentuate, not always the biggest stats. I don't know how many Norris Trophy voters consider how many times a guy fights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beepbeep 3 Report post Posted February 9, 2010 You all are suppose to laughing, everyone knows he is a CLOWN, look how he dresses.. Gotta be a clown or so retarded his mother couldn't even teach him the fundamentals of dressing ones self. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted February 9, 2010 And yet, we all watch. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted February 9, 2010 I have said it before. American's shouldn't watch Coach's Corner. Most of you guys take everything he says to heart and then come on here to bash him. I think that is why some people continue to watch, just so there is a new Cherry thread every week. They must have missed the segments where Cherry has praised Lidstrom and other Euros on the Wing's for their amazing play. Every friggin' show we get in Canada is American based for the most part and this is one that is truly our own. Hockey Night in Canada and Coach's Corner should not have to change their broadcast to make American's feel better and try not to hurt feelings. Sorry guys Cherry will say what he wants and as dumb as some of his comments are I like the way he is. All I'm saying is enough with the "Hey look what he said this week.." threads. Cherry is biased; but his bias clouds his vision. He is constantly bashing European and American players regardless of their playing styles, and even moreso if they are not physical players. He is constantly praising Canadian players, and even moreso if they are gritty, physical players. Have you ever seen him get on Sidney Crosby's case or Wayne Gretzky's case for not being gritty, physical players? How about giving some praise to a guy like Danny Markov or Darius Kasparaitis for being heavy hitting defensive grinders who won't hesitate to drop the gloves? Cherry passes himself off as an expert, and he does know quite a bit about hockey. But if he is going to use the label "expert" during his show, he needs to push the bias aside, during the show at the very least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted February 9, 2010 He is senile, did anyone catch him on hockey day in canada? It is most likely some network heads at CBC who find all his dumb videos and tell him what to say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted February 9, 2010 Cherry is biased; but his bias clouds his vision. He is constantly bashing European and American players regardless of their playing styles, and even moreso if they are not physical players. He is constantly praising Canadian players, and even moreso if they are gritty, physical players. Have you ever seen him get on Sidney Crosby's case or Wayne Gretzky's case for not being gritty, physical players? How about giving some praise to a guy like Danny Markov or Darius Kasparaitis for being heavy hitting defensive grinders who won't hesitate to drop the gloves? Cherry passes himself off as an expert, and he does know quite a bit about hockey. But if he is going to use the label "expert" during his show, he needs to push the bias aside, during the show at the very least. Umm its pretty obvious that people on this site only watch coaches corner when he says something controversial and then you all come in here and baash him. You just proved this to me. He always used to rip Crosby for being a whiner and saying he needed to change. But wait, you wouldn't notice that because he wasn't bashing a soft euro and thats the only time you listen. I'm sure Darius got talked about during his playing career on hockey shows in Russia just like Cherry does about Canadian players who deserve praise. Kasparitus is also one of the dirtiest players in history and doesn't deserve time on CBC. All American television is based on American people, I don't see Canada getting any respect from American TV and the States pump up their own country like no other. Ever seen Miracle? Bottom line is Cherry almost always makes sense about what he's saying but since he never has a boner for players that aren't Canadian people get pissed. Suck it up everybody Cherry isn't going anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted February 10, 2010 All American television is based on American people, I don't see Canada getting any respect from American TV and the States pump up their own country like no other. Ever seen Miracle? ....Miracle is the inside story of the US Hockey team's victory over the USSR, perhaps the biggest upset in sports history. Of course the movie is going to be made for Americans, as it was an American victory. If that had been team Canada, what do you think the reaction would be? The anniversary would probably be made into a national holiday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted February 10, 2010 ....Miracle is the inside story of the US Hockey team's victory over the USSR, perhaps the biggest upset in sports history. Of course the movie is going to be made for Americans, as it was an American victory. If that had been team Canada, what do you think the reaction would be? The anniversary would probably be made into a national holiday. Yeah and coaches corner is a 5 minute segment on the Canadian Broadcasting company. He doesn't pump up half as much as Miracle does. It portrays the russians as only being good because of lucky goals and dirty play. Theres no difference really, Miracle is an AMerican hockey movie and Coaches Corner is a Canadian hockey show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted February 10, 2010 Yeah and coaches corner is a 5 minute segment on the Canadian Broadcasting company. He doesn't pump up half as much as Miracle does. It portrays the russians as only being good because of lucky goals and dirty play. Theres no difference really, Miracle is an AMerican hockey movie and Coaches Corner is a Canadian hockey show. So good, we can all stop arguing over when it's okay to be supportive of your home country, and stop thinking the American Revolution was terrorism, and stop arguing about liberalism vs. conservatism. Let's all just agree that Cherry is only made for Canadian audiences (or so this thread seems to be saying) and that he's not an outdated clown who is there for pure entertainment value. I'm sure even Pierre has some insightful things to say once in a while, but it doesn't make him not a ******. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted February 10, 2010 ...Why are we giving Cherry 5 pages worth of attention? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted February 10, 2010 So good, we can all stop arguing over when it's okay to be supportive of your home country, and stop thinking the American Revolution was terrorism, and stop arguing about liberalism vs. conservatism. Let's all just agree that Cherry is only made for Canadian audiences (or so this thread seems to be saying) and that he's not an outdated clown who is there for pure entertainment value. I'm sure even Pierre has some insightful things to say once in a while, but it doesn't make him not a ******. Lets not go too far here ... I agree with everything else though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted February 10, 2010 Tonight, Don Cherry was talking about Phaneuf, and brought up the Norris Trophy run 2 years ago. He started comparing him to the winner of it (Lidstrom, of course), said something like "I don't even wanna say his name, you know who i'm talking about", then he goes on to compare them by goals (10 to 17 in favor of Phaneuf), hits (20-some to 100-some, Phaneuf), fights (10-0, Phaneuf), and blocked shots (such a big lead he didn't even have to say, Phaneuf). Of course, he neglects to mention the stats that Lidstrom beat Phaneuf in, assists, points, and Plus-Minus (which was 40-12, Lidstrom). I don't know why I keep watching that guy, but I just had to vent this. So, who else thinks the Norris should be won by the D-man with the most fights and hits? Because we could give a pep talk to Ericsson and start a website supporting him to make a run for it. Hell, let's convince Pain Train to risk his life to win one. Ya, cannot wait for either the Americans or Russian to slap his silly little olympic team around this month. I am sure he'll complain about Ovechkin and or Parise for some reason..... probably not being canadian would be the reason... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HOCKEY MATTERS 167 Report post Posted February 10, 2010 Umm its pretty obvious that people on this site only watch coaches corner when he says something controversial and then you all come in here and baash him. You just proved this to me. He always used to rip Crosby for being a whiner and saying he needed to change. But wait, you wouldn't notice that because he wasn't bashing a soft euro and thats the only time you listen. I'm sure Darius got talked about during his playing career on hockey shows in Russia just like Cherry does about Canadian players who deserve praise. Kasparitus is also one of the dirtiest players in history and doesn't deserve time on CBC. All American television is based on American people, I don't see Canada getting any respect from American TV and the States pump up their own country like no other. Ever seen Miracle? Bottom line is Cherry almost always makes sense about what he's saying but since he never has a boner for players that aren't Canadian people get pissed. Suck it up everybody Cherry isn't going anywhere. I'm glad. He is entertainment at it's finest. A lot of his points are valid and some are pure fantasy in own mind. Go Cherry! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites