Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 fix'd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Countdown beings...who wont be on the wings tomorrow? or saturday(i think they can put people on waivers up til noon on Sat). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Countdown beings...who wont be on the wings tomorrow? or saturday(i think they can put people on waivers up til noon on Sat). Williams made a pretty good case for it to not be him tonight... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Williams made a pretty good case for it to not be him tonight... i was thinking the same thing....i think May is going to Grand Rapids or retiring and were gonna lose a pylon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 i was thinking the same thing....i think May is going to Grand Rapids or retiring and were gonna lose a pylon. With all the scouts that were there tonight, I almost think something crazy and unexpected is going to happen... but if NOTHING else, I will do a happy dance if Lebda is gone come Sat morning... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Lebda, Meech, and Emma Andersson (Hank's woman) for Quincey. Tell Hank if he doesn't score on the ice, he isn't going to get to score off the ice. (She's a free agent. He can just re-sign her in July.) Seriously hoping Lebda is the one going bye-bye. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bdavis 28 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) I just don't see how they could trade Lebda and Meech. We need a 7th dman. Now that I look closer, I see Meech has a salary below league minimum. But how is that going to work? It's either deal Lebda, Meech, May, or Williams. If the team gets rid of Lebda and Meech, then wtf is going to happen about a 7th dman? Would there even be enough cap space to call up someone from GR if need be, if an injured dman is not on ltir? I have a feeling it's going to be Williams. I don't see another choice. Is there? Waive May, then trade Lebda/Meech.. for what? Draft picks? You couldn't trade them for another defenseman. Call the new defensman up, when another dman is injured not on ltir, and you are over cap. Edit Reason: Extra thoughts. Edited February 12, 2010 by bd2988 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 I'll actually be disappointed to see Williams leave it's him. He actually produced, played hard and used his talent this year as oppsed to 2007 where he go hammered by Torres and sucked for the rest of the year till he was dealt away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyerberger 279 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) Well, let's look at some things here. First, our likely top 6 for next year: Datsyuk Zetterberg Franzen Filppula Holmstrom Cleary Possible resigns: Bert Williams (return of Hudler?) Pure bottom 6: Helm Eaves Draper Miller Abdelkader Ritola (Other possibilites from GR that could slot into a 4th line, such as the oft-forgotten Oulahen) If just 1 of the possible resigns is back next year, you've got a 13 forward roster. That means 1 of the bolded is going to be sitting. Quite frankly, none of those players deserves to sit, the young guys need the playing time and Drapes isn't that bad yet. In other words, we can do to shave off either a bottom 6 player (and it won't be Draper), or a top 6 player. If 2 or even all 3 of those 'possibles' is here next year, there's definitely spare parts. There is the possibility of Homer retiring for the sake of his body, but he can still do his job. There's a glut, in any case. You've got to wonder if the Wings want to acquire a top 6 goalscorer either on FA or even possibly via a trade. We definitely have trade parts. Suppose Williams isn't traded (scoring depth is NOT what we need to lose right now, particularly a right handed shot on our powerplay), and re-signs. Suppose Bert also re-signs. Let's say the Wings land a goalscoring winger on a cheap contract. What will they look like next year and what are their assets? (Ordering by value, not by lines) Dats - Z - Franzen Bert/Homer - Flip - Goalscorer? Bert/Homer - Helm - Cleary Williams - Abdelkader - Eaves Miller Draper Ritola OR (assuming Babs prefers Dats and Z split, forcing me to count them both as centers Goalscorer? - Dats - Franzen Bert - Z - Homer Cleary - Flip - Williams Abdelkader - Helm - Eaves Miller Draper Ritola Even taking out the goalscorer option, there's a glut here. Throw that in, though, and some of the other assets there will be gone. The easiest ones to move will be the ones that look like solid young bottom 6'ers: Helm, Eaves, Abdelkader, Miller, Ritola. If we're trading for a goalscorer, that means he's 1: going to be on a likely non-contender, and 2: low salary (unless we move someone unexpected). This means Meech (since he's an RFA) is more attractive than Lebda. Maybe I'm nuts, but I smell Afinogenov. He's cheap, fast (our top 6 is not the speediest bunch no matter how you look at it), and really, I don't think Atlanta has any illusions of re-signing him after trading Kovy. Could we see something like: Miller, Meech, and a 3rd or 2nd to ATL for Afinogenov, + waive May.. or something of a similar scope? Even bigger: What if Flip is considered 3rd in depth because of Dats - Z down the middle preference, and his current value is at a high? What if it meant something like Flip, one of those young bottom 6'ers and a d-man for a high quality winger that's on a bargain (multi year) contract. While it's unlikely...would you be willing to accept that? Guess who won't be sleeping easy tonight. I leave you with this final possibility: Franzen - Dats - Afinogenov Bert - Z - Homer Cleary - Flip - Williams Draper - Helm - Eaves Maltby (Abs, Ritola) Lids - Raffi Stuart - Kronwall Lilja - Ericsson Lebda (or Janik) (Kindl) Edited February 12, 2010 by Datsyerberger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingAbner 13 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Actually, Williams looked pretty good last night-- for his relatively small cap hit, I'd keep him around. Maybe the abundance of scouts had more to do with San Jose playing than Detroit? It would be intriguing if the Wings were planning something big.....but they'd have to move a salary. Is anyone just a *bit* curious to see what Darren Helm could do on the 2nd line with Bertuzzi and Cleary? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 I doubt it will be Williams. Lebda, on the other hand.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Is anyone just a *bit* curious to see what Darren Helm could do on the 2nd line with Bertuzzi and Cleary? Only if you're also keeping him on the D-H-E line as well, and double shifting him ala Jake Ryan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) What do you say if osgood got traded? babcock is obviously fed up with his brutal play basically every game he was in goal this season.. much experience and cheap contract... I hope he gets traded maybe for a decent backup + pick Edited February 12, 2010 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 What do you say if osgood got traded? babcock is obviously fed up with his brutal play basically every game he was in goal this season.. much experience and cheap contract... I hope he gets traded maybe for a decent backup + pick I would be surprised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mors 201 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 I'd rather they waived or traded Lilja before dumping 2-3 other players to make room for him given that he's proven nothing and could very well come back and play horribly and then we'll really be f***ed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingAbner 13 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Only if you're also keeping him on the D-H-E line as well, and double shifting him ala Jake Ryan. No double shifting-- just bump him up and fill his spot on the 3rd line with someone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 I'd rather they waived or traded Lilja before dumping 2-3 other players to make room for him given that he's proven nothing and could very well come back and play horribly and then we'll really be f***ed. Nah. We know what Lebda is capable of... I'd rather see Lilja up and playing to see if he's worth re-signing for next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mors 201 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Nah. We know what Lebda is capable of... I'd rather see Lilja up and playing to see if he's worth re-signing for next year. Since when did Lilja become team hero? He was the biggest pylon on the team and garnered CONSTANT complaints in the past seasons, now he's a ray of hope for the defense? Desperate times around here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Nittymaki, 600k caphit... trade for osgood + pick etc? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Since when did Lilja become team hero? He was the biggest pylon on the team and garnered CONSTANT complaints in the past seasons, now he's a ray of hope for the defense? Desperate times around here. On this team, anyone not named Lidstrom is considered a pylon and garners constant complaint at any point during the season. So, that's relative... Lilja offers a solid PK-ing and shot blocking presence. Played solidly before he went down. Like I said, we know what Lebda has to offer. We need to see if Lilja can get back to form in consideration for next season. I don't think that's desperate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Nittymaki, 600k caphit... trade for osgood + pick etc? There's no way TB lets him go with the way he's been playing - and if so, definitely not for that little It'd be more like Nittymaki and a pick for Kindl, Osgood and a pick and then we have 2 unproven goalies come playoffs(if we make them) I don't see that happening... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted February 12, 2010 Nittymaki played for finland in Turin olympics 2006 and won every game except the final game, he's proven i'd say, finnish goaltenders rule the nhl too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_prime 1,936 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 There's no way TB lets him go with the way he's been playing - and if so, definitely not for that little It'd be more like Nittymaki and a pick for Kindl, Osgood and a pick and then we have 2 unproven goalies come playoffs(if we make them) I don't see that happening... TB is in the mix for the playoffs, so maybe they're interested in picking up a proven, playoff goaltender... but I agree it's a questionable move for both teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) TB is in the mix for the playoffs, so maybe they're interested in picking up a proven, playoff goaltender... but I agree it's a questionable move for both teams. I'm not saying it's impossible, just highly improbable... Edited February 12, 2010 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted February 12, 2010 What do you say if osgood got traded? babcock is obviously fed up with his brutal play basically every game he was in goal this season.. much experience and cheap contract... I hope he gets traded maybe for a decent backup + pick Don't even get me started... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
