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The best TEAM won that game, not the team with the best individuals. Still, I haven't been happy with Babcock's coaching all year and he's not doing any favors for Team Canada. I just hope the USA doesn't let this go to their heads, not that I'm not happy to see Canada knocked off their pedestal in their "own" game. That being said, I do feel sorry for Germany.

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Canada just does not have any true leaders on their team. Who is their leader Niedermayer blah, Iginla lawl, Brodeur not so much...the only thing that is gonna get this team to be better is experience aka age. With time they are all gonna know that hard work is what is gonna get them gold not pure talent.

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Canada just does not have any true leaders on their team. Who is their leader Niedermayer blah, Iginla lawl, Brodeur not so much...the only thing that is gonna get this team to be better is experience aka age. With time they are all gonna know that hard work is what is gonna get them gold not pure talent.

I don't buy that for a second. There's a huge number of captains on this team. Leadership isn't a problem. I think it might be a case of too many leaders and not enough followers.

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I don't buy that for a second. There's a huge number of captains on this team. Leadership isn't a problem. I think it might be a case of too many leaders and not enough followers.

TOO MUCH UPPER MANAGEMENT

Sorry I've got a case of the Mondays :hehe:

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Actually the team with the best individual players did win last night. Miller was phenomenal and the U.S. D were great, especially Raff which is good for him.Anybody watching the game could see that when Canada actually played with heart they were dominant, however Miller is just crazy...This guy can do what Hasek did in 98...Hopefully if Canada and the U.S. meet again somebody, probably Morrow, goes a little to hard to the net and rattles Miller. It could be the only way to get him of his game.

I also agree that Germany could be in for a tough game on Tuesday night.

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The best TEAM won that game, not the team with the best individuals. Still, I haven't been happy with Babcock's coaching all year and he's not doing any favors for Team Canada. I just hope the USA doesn't let this go to their heads, not that I'm not happy to see Canada knocked off their pedestal in their "own" game. That being said, I do feel sorry for Germany.

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Does Helm seem like such a crazy option for the 4th line now? The guy works like no one else in hockey when it's game time. He doesn't score 50 points a season but his style of play is so out of the box I think it's far too hard to compare him to other 4th liners who score 25 points a season. We've all seen what he can do, so would it really have been a bad decision to bring him? He makes life hell for anyone he plays against, forechecks like a demon, is faster than anyone on the roster right now and Canada needs speed. He's a fantastic penalty killer and backchecks his ass off.

It'll seem insane to suggest he should go, but I don't see why not. We've tried to superstar formula....it hasn't been working for awhile now. I say we try getting some humble, hard workers in there. If Helm was a touch slower, or a slightly less hard worker I'd say leave him home but he just excels so much at what he's good at more than anyone I've seen before him that I think he deserves at least a chance. He'd be better than Brendan Morrow, who isn't doing s*** right now. Defensive play is nice but he's not doing anything else. Can you picture Helm in a Canada sweater just flying up and down the ice like a kid on a sugar high, plastering everyone into the boards, stealing pucks and just making life difficult for the US? Or Sweden? Or anyone else? I like that mental picture...I think it'd do Canada well next go 'round.

Also, what do we sometimes do against opponent top lines? We put out Helms line who just grind away and tire out the opposing superstars? At the Olympics, we can't really do that. We just try to match stars with stars. Well now and again, wouldn't it be valuable to have at least one line with a couple of grinders? Backes is so, so valuable for the US right now and we all know why. Or look at the Russia/Czech game. What was the turning point? A physical play when all of the swiftness wasn't working too well.

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Babcock is a great coach but Fatso should have been yanked in the 1st after his goilf swing ended up in the net. Give it to the Yanks who never let up even under great pressure and found the way to win... riding the Miller mule! The major diff was in net, Miller was awesome Fatso was not.

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cut Babs some slack all you want... the Canadian team looks terribly out of sync compared to the other hockey powers. this is undeniably a coaching issue. Its also hard to deny how good Rafalski looks on team USA. just maybe Babs isn't using him right? Notice all the long range shots put on Miller last night? You'd hope a decent coach would ask his team to adjust sometime before the end of regulation.

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Not a bad coach, but an overrated coach. Remember the last two seasons he had a chance to win the cup on home ice and blew it both times(barely survived game 6 in Pittsburgh in '08). For a team with as much depth and experience as the Wings you'd think they would have been more relaxed than they were for those 2 games, some of that has to ultimately fall on the coach. I think the Wings obsession with experience has rubbed off on Yzerman and babcock and is now showing on Team Canada, guys like Stamkos not making the team despite being in the top 10 in league scoring.

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Babcock lost one game. He is now the worst coach in the history of the Olympics.

True... but how have our Red Wings been looking as of late?? our Wings should be practically making the playoffs with Datsyuk, Zetts and Lidstrom alone.

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Not a bad coach, but an overrated coach. Remember the last two seasons he had a chance to win the cup on home ice and blew it both times(barely survived game 6 in Pittsburgh in '08). For a team with as much depth and experience as the Wings you'd think they would have been more relaxed than they were for those 2 games, some of that has to ultimately fall on the coach. I think the Wings obsession with experience has rubbed off on Yzerman and babcock and is now showing on Team Canada, guys like Stamkos not making the team despite being in the top 10 in league scoring.

Right on! Going to the vets cost us came 7 against Pitts. last spring . Babcock was badly outcoached in that one & went to the well one time too many .....constantly putting out the old boys who due to injury & fatigue could hardly walk...never mind skate.

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True... but how have our Red Wings been looking as of late?? our Wings should be practically making the playoffs with Datsyuk, Zetts and Lidstrom alone.

Half the team has been injured for most of the year and we are still in the playoff hunt... Babcock is fine, and human, he's bound to make a mistake here and there but over-all he's a great coach... how soon we forget the Dave Lewis experiment!

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True... but how have our Red Wings been looking as of late?? our Wings should be practically making the playoffs with Datsyuk, Zetts and Lidstrom alone.

Really? I take it you haven't been following the Detroit Red Wings this year. Last I recall, there was a point in the season where we had 9 injuries at once... They have gotten better as of late too, and will hopefully go on a roll after the break.

But now that Babcock lost one game in the Olympics because his PLAYERS, the great, unstoppable, unbeatable Canadian PLAYERS, choked on home ice in front of their nation, it is all the coaches fault. What happend in 2006 without Babcock? Oh yeah, they finished 6th. It looks to me the common denominator in Canada's olympic problems is the players inability to come together and win, period. Blaming the coach is a scapegoat for fans who don't want to blame the great players of Canada. Babcock is a great coach and he has proven it over and over.

I'm not saying Canada won't win gold, but to put the blame on the coach to this extent is not facing the facts of what is happening.

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