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Why is there so much love for Filppula on this board?

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You obviously don't know that Ryan Kesler, at the conclusion of his rookie contract, signed an offer sheet with Philly for $1.9 M, 1 year. Vancouver matched.

So, to recap, he played out his rookie deal...ala Filppula....signed with Philly for $1.9 M, which Vancouver matched....then signed for $1.75 M per season for three years. I guess if I was relying on a website to do the work for me, I'd miss that too.

What exactly did I miss?

I asked posters on this board to search capgeek to get an idea of how players who have similar cap hits are producing. If you conduct an extensive search you would find that Cleary and Filppula are not overpaid at all. There are better contracts out there, obviously. Id say for the most part however, that there are more contracts that a worse than better.

You chose Ryan Kesler, who probably has one of the most cap friendly deals in the NHL. He is grossly underpaid. He is an RFA this season, lets wait and see the contract he gets. It will be significantly north of Cleary and Filppulsa cap figure and you know that. Ryan Kesler is a far better player than Clears. Maybe I posed the wrong question. But the point is, in comparison to the the rest of the NHL, they being paid just fine.

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You obviously don't know that Ryan Kesler, at the conclusion of his rookie contract, signed an offer sheet with Philly for $1.9 M, 1 year. Vancouver matched.

So, to recap, he played out his rookie deal...ala Filppula....signed with Philly for $1.9 M, which Vancouver matched....then signed for $1.75 M per season for three years. I guess if I was relying on a website to do the work for me, I'd miss that too.

What exactly did I miss?

Kesler signed a 3 year deal at 1.75m after posting up a 23 point 82 game season. In his first year of that contract, he tallied 16 points in 48 games (good for 27 points over 82 games). It took him until his fourth year in the league to best Filppula's second by 1 point, in two extra games.

Filppula signed his 3m/5 year deal after posting his 36 point/78 game season and showing a lot of potential. Filppula was also a PPG player in the AHL, Kesler never was.

I guess that is what you missed.

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I love how the Filppula crowd jumps in and tries to make Kesler's contract an example of why I'm wrong on Filppula. So, Kesler's projection of 27 pts=$1.75 M, Filppula's 36 points earned him $3M. I bet Kesler wishes he put up just a few more points, by that logic. So what if he wasn't a point-per-game AHLer. Kesler is still the better player.

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In which he proceeded to tell you this:

"Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk

I'm a woman's man: no time to talk"

I can just picture him saying that!:hysterical:

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I love how the Filppula crowd jumps in and tries to make Kesler's contract an example of why I'm wrong on Filppula. So, Kesler's projection of 27 pts=$1.75 M, Filppula's 36 points earned him $3M. I bet Kesler wishes he put up just a few more points, by that logic. So what if he wasn't a point-per-game AHLer. Kesler is still the better player.

I love how stupid you're to pick only Kesler and compare him with Filppula.

I have proven statistics of all players with about the same ppg - not just one underpaid guy - which proves that Filppula is nowhere near overpaid.

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I love how the Filppula crowd jumps in and tries to make Kesler's contract an example of why I'm wrong on Filppula. So, Kesler's projection of 27 pts=$1.75 M, Filppula's 36 points earned him $3M. I bet Kesler wishes he put up just a few more points, by that logic. So what if he wasn't a point-per-game AHLer. Kesler is still the better player.

I love how you try to use Kesler's contract as an example of why you're RIGHT on Filppula.

The point is, though Kesler may be the better play NOW, Filpulla was looking a lot better then Kesler was prior to last year and that is why he got the better contract.

And frankly I think that Filppula would be matching Kesler's production (though perhaps fewer goals) given his spot in Vancouver's lineup.

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I love how stupid you're to pick only Kesler and compare him with Filppula.

I have proven statistics of all players with about the same ppg - not just one underpaid guy - which proves that Filppula is nowhere near overpaid.

Hey, it's everyone's favorite hypocrite.

I told you, your stat analysis as to why he, based on this year's numbers, was paid fairly was good. Multiple times.

You ignored all other posts I put in this thread save for one you cherry pick.

The Kesler example was used in reference to another poster who asked for AN EXAMPLE. I provided one.

Filppula is not overpaid based on PPG. Being used as a #3 center was a redundant piece. Let's see how he does as the #2 center, then it may be well worth the $3M.

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Filppula is not overpaid based on PPG. Being used as a #3 center was a redundant piece. Let's see how he does as the #2 center, then it may be well worth the $3M.

Agreed completely.

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I really think you'll understand why we did in about 5 years.

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Meanwhile, Chicago gets to 3 Cup Finals and we struggle to make the playoffs. I see the motivation. <_<

I'm in the same boat as the OP. While I like Filppula, and I like the idea of him being a great value, I guess I'm not skilled enough at analyzing hockey players to actually see his value. All I know is that I always hear Ray Ferraro on Vancouver Team 1040 raving about the Wings "I mean c'mon, they got Valterri Filppula on the 3rd line for cryin out loud".

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Meanwhile, Chicago gets to 3 Cup Finals and we struggle to make the playoffs. I see the motivation. <_<

I'm in the same boat as the OP. While I like Filppula, and I like the idea of him being a great value, I guess I'm not skilled enough at analyzing hockey players to actually see his value. All I know is that I always hear Ray Ferraro on Vancouver Team 1040 raving about the Wings "I mean c'mon, they got Valterri Filppula on the 3rd line for cryin out loud".

Take Teemu Selanne's word for it.

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Meanwhile, Chicago gets to 3 Cup Finals and we struggle to make the playoffs. I see the motivation. <_<

You'll get to see as soon as this upcoming offseason the hole Chicago dug themselves into by handing out ill advised contracts. Id be shocked if they make it to 3 cup finals, given the financial crisis they are in. The 2010-11 Chicago Blackhawks team will most likely be in worse shape than the 2009-10 Red Wings.

Im just glad we have a smart GM that didnt follow a similar path of incompetence.

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Take Teemu Selanne's word for it.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2009/05/06/selanne-praises-filppul/

Teemu Selanne knows a thing or two about what it takes to be a successful NHL player and he thinks fellow Finn Valtteri Filppula, whom he has known since the younger forward was a teenager, is a superstar in the making.

The term "superstar" (and "elite", especially listening to the playoff coverage on TV) arguably gets thrown around way too often these days, but the point is that one of the best snipers this game has ever known believes that Filppula has another gear or two to which he'll be shifting sooner rather than later.

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"I'm not surprised at all -- I skate with him in the summer, and I know him very well," Selanne said. "He's been working so hard over the years. I like to see him with more ice time, more priority situations out there, more power play. ... He has no real weaknesses, that's what makes him very special, and I'm just waiting for his really breakthrough year and it's coming. He's anybody's dream player because he's so easy -- he does exactly what you ask him to do. Everybody needs that kind of player."

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This is the quote that jumped out at me.

"I always joke that you are exactly as good as your coach wants you to be, and I like to see him play more on the top two lines," Selanne said. "But he is patient guy, and he is waiting his turn. I know when he will get the chance, he will be ready."

This season Flip hasnt had much time on the top 2 lines, and with Franzen out for as long as he has, Flip hasnt had a goal scoring winger on his side. I think playing with Zetterberg is a nice opportunity for Filppula to show something. I never really understood why Flip has been on the third line.

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And about titanium's quote there, I'm pretty sure Wings players have said the same things about Flip, in that they love to play with him on the ice.

That's a great read, actually. I really hope that, even though he has already shown he belongs on the top 2 lines, he just jams it down our throat (thanks, Fox News) that he should be there.

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The 2010-11 Chicago Blackhawks team will most likely be in worse shape than the 2009-10 Red Wings.

not a chance.

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not a chance.

FORWARDS

Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)

Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)

Dustin Byfuglien ($3.000m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m) / Troy Brouwer ($1.025m)

DEFENSEMEN

Brian Campbell ($7.143m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)

Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Brent Sopel ($2.333m)

GOALTENDERS

Cristobal Huet ($5.625m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS

ROSTER: 14; PAYROLL: $57.598m; CAP ROOM: $-0.798m

This is currently what the Blackhawks look like for next season. They need to sign 8 players and are already $.8 over the cap. You figure it out.

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a key difference is that their worst contracts are moveable (huet can be moved, sopel is probably gone, and campbell only has a partial NMTC i believe?) and the wings worst contracts were not (rafalski/stuart/cleary/draper). all the no trade clauses really hurt the wings flexibility.

even if they are unable to move one or both of huet/campbell, their key contracts (toews/kane/campbell) are younger than the wings (z/dats/lid) and they'll possibly have better seasons next year, not worse.

make no mistake - the hawks will be in position to make a run at the cup for the forseeable future.

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a key difference is that their worst contracts are moveable (huet can be moved, sopel is probably gone, and campbell only has a partial NMTC i believe?) and the wings worst contracts were not (rafalski/stuart/cleary/draper). all the no trade clauses really hurt the wings flexibility.

even if they are unable to move one or both of huet/campbell, their key contracts (toews/kane/campbell) are younger than the wings (z/dats/lid) and they'll possibly have better seasons next year, not worse.

make no mistake - the hawks will be in position to make a run at the cup for the forseeable future.

Id really love to know what teams you have in mind that are lining up to take on the Huet/Campbell's contracts.

Also, when they arent able to move those contracts, they are still going to have to move quality depth just to be able to complete their roster and get under the cap.

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I'd be very surprised if Chicago could get out of the Huet or Campbell contract; too much money, too many years for players so aggressively mediocre.

On the other hand, I'd be surprised if Chicago's management went out of their way to give Hossa a big contract last summer, completely aware of the cap crunch, and didn't have some sort of plan to maneuver out of trouble.

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people said the same thing about the gomez contract.

Also, when they arent able to move those contracts, they are still going to have to move quality depth just to be able to complete their roster and get under the cap.

even if this is the case, they'd be quite like the 09-10 wings...except better.

fell free to bump this topic up a year from now if chicago is struggling to make the playoffs.

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people said the same thing about the gomez contract.

Good point. Desperate GM + team with lots of cap room = you never know. Those kind of moves never make much rational sense but they do happen from time to time. Risky strategy to try and bank on, though. I guess they can always waive them if they really have to.

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people said the same thing about the gomez contract.

even if this is the case, they'd be quite like the 09-10 wings...except better.

fell free to bump this topic up a year from now if chicago is struggling to make the playoffs.

I think they will make the playoffs as they will still have Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, and a few others. But they will be a complete non factor in the playoffs. They will have below average goaltending, and depth that they wont be able to improve. With that said, the 09 Wings are more of a threat to win than will be the '10 Hawks will be. And, Im in to bump this thread after next season.

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And about titanium's quote there, I'm pretty sure Wings players have said the same things about Flip, in that they love to play with him on the ice.

That's a great read, actually. I really hope that, even though he has already shown he belongs on the top 2 lines, he just jams it down our throat (thanks, Fox News) that he should be there.

To me, the most promsing thing about Flip's future development is the one Bowman interview where he absoulutly climaxed about the guy. He clearly has the potential... it's just he seems, to me at least, to be holding back a little, as if waiting for it to happen on its own.

Idk though, hopefully he can peak.

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To me, the most promsing thing about Flip's future development is the one Bowman interview where he absoulutly climaxed about the guy. He clearly has the potential... it's just he seems, to me at least, to be holding back a little, as if waiting for it to happen on its own.

Idk though, hopefully he can peak.

Filppula seems to have trouble just putting it all together.

He can skate and stickhandle at a fast speed, and he has a decent shot and pass - he just can't do it all at once.

His hands literally turn into brick mittens when he is skating with speed.

At the very least, if he can slow his game down a little, controlling and protecting the puck better (like Datsyuk has been able to do), I think he really could start to blossom.

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