Crosby Should Get More Blame than Ovechkin

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Hahaha. Dude you need to chill the f*** out before you die from high blood pressure over nothing.

And really, what does it mean to be a "somebody" on an internet forum? I can't believe you're so preoccupied with some kind of status on LGW. Maybe it's you that needs to realize there's no trophy for being volatile over the same topic again and again.

Also, I've never even thought about it but even if there were trophies handed out I'm sure GMR along with countless others have me beat by a mile. But why should I care about that stuff? I'm on here because I love the Wings and it's fun to have discussions about them.

I almost have to ask if you're kidding when you posted this? If you're going to call somebody a moron, don't be surprised if they respond with some verbal jabbing of their own. There's no preoccupation with anything. You jabbed me. I'm jabbing back. Lending any weight to something personal that's said on a message board is kind of silly. I didn't respond to you and insinuate i'm better than you b/c I truly feel that. How could I? I don't know you. And contrary to popular belief, i'm not that pompous. I'm merely poking you back for poking at me. It's not that complicated.

[The Secret 304]

I don't think either Crosby or Ovechkin should be taking more or less of the blame then anyone else on their team. 1 player can make a difference but in the end the whole team has to win or lose together! Both Crosby and OV have to face every other teams best and they have to find ways to solve that... neither did this year.

[esteef 2,679]

LEAVE SIDNEY ALOOOOOONE!!!

esteef

[Louisville 112]

How did Ovechkin underperform? He scored 10 points.

He was trying to do too much because his wannabee supersatar teammates (Green, Semen) didn't get the job done.

He was unfairly blamed for a loss where he played rather well. Crosby, on the other hand did nothing in this series other than dive. Look at how well Gionta and Cammaleri played.

Don't mind Carman, he likes to wrap his lips around Crosby's stick whenever he gets a chance.

[Carman 387]

Don't mind Carman, he likes to wrap his lips around Crosby's stick whenever he gets a chance.

Mature.

LEAVE SIDNEY ALOOOOOONE!!!

Also really mature. Nothing is funnier then 3 year old internet memes.

Edited May 13, 2010 by Carman

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

People do get too hot and bothered when it comes to these discussions.

There are people that send me death threats, call me a "******", call me a tool, say I'm ruining this forum etc. (By the way I've never made a Crosby thread)

It's crazy that a disagreement about the ability of a certain player that is clearly at the very least a top 3 talent can cause so much emotional distress.

People just need to take a step back and have fun.

Well, I don't follow the forums enough to know exactly why some folks are doing that to you. Probably b/c you defend Crosby I guess. Which in my case, is kind of hilarious b/c I don't really even defend the guy. In fact, i'm perfectly happy to never have to hear, think or speak of him at all.

The simple truth is that for as much as Wings fans applaud our organization and players as being classy and better, we don't hold ourselves to that same standard. We used to, before 2008. But not since. Hey, he's one of the league superstars so I get it that we talk about him. But to laugh it off like we don't have a collectively psychological obsession with him is straight up denial.

On a slight tangent,looking back on the last 2 years I find it amusing some of the things we complain about and knocked Crosby for. Remember when we people used to bash him for his faceoff ability, or lack thereof. Please point me to it if I missed it but I didn't see the thread where people either gave props to Crosby or discussed the lack of effectiveness of our almight great, Henrik Zetterberg in this area.

Anybody know that Crosby finished 11th in the league in faceoff % this year? Almost 56%. Better than Datsyuk and WAY, WAY, WAY better than Z. Who by the way lost more faceoffs than he won this year. Same story for the playoffs too.

But that's old fodder. No longer can people ***** about him not being a complete player b/c he can't even do things like win faceoffs. So we move onto something else. He complains too much. He dives too much. The media covers him too much (yeah, that's his fault). The media doesn't cover him enough when he sucks (his fault again).

Sheesh, can there just ever be a Crosby thread that is actually worth anything? Cause this thread isn't. It's just another lame ass excuse to complain.

Believe me, nobody rooted harder than me for the Habs to knock off Sid and the Pens. But to start a thread to complain that the media isn't doing enough to cover how poor his play was? Seriously? How many added pounds of flesh do we want. The guy is out of the playoffs. I'm doing cartwheels over that. Who gives a flying you know what that the media isn't crucifying him.

Feck it. Believe it or not I don't post in these threads simply to be argumentative. I truly do believe in my heart that LGW would be a better place if there weren't so many of these Crosby threads. I'll just never understand the obsession. But it's not my forum and i'm banging my head against the proverbial wall I suppose. I can't say I didn't try though.

[Louisville 112]

Mature.

Also really mature. Nothing is funnier then 3 year old internet memes.

You just said we "need to take a step back and have fun". Seems like I'm having more fun than you.

But seriously, you're *** for Crosby.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

You just said we "need to take a step back and have fun". Seems like I'm having more fun than you.

But seriously, you're *** for Crosby.

That's actually a really funny post. Carman should't let it get to him IMO. I don't let this stuff get to me. I just fire back as he should if he feels so inclined.

And ps. I don't mean my ranting in this thread to be a knock on the OP. I like GR, he's a good dude. I guess maybe i'm the only one who found a thread complaining about a lack of Crosby coverage as being ironically funny.

Edited May 13, 2010 by GordieSid&Ted

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Ok, I have an off topic question here. In light of someone mentioning avatars I went to my profile to figure it out and all I did was get more confused. And what on God's green earth is this numerical reputation thingy? Have we always had that? How low does it go and how exactly can I get there? Because if LGW is indeed handing out awards, I want to win something. I love trophies.

[esteef 2,679]

I guess maybe i'm the only one who found a thread complaining about a lack of Crosby coverage as being ironically funny.

A lack of negative coverage to be specific.

esteef

[Louisville 112]

That's actually a really funny post. Carman should't let it get to him IMO. I don't let this stuff get to me. I just fire back as he should if he feels so inclined.

And ps. I don't mean my ranting in this thread to be a knock on the OP. I like GR, he's a good dude. I guess maybe i'm the only one who found a thread complaining about a lack of Crosby coverage as being ironically funny.

I agree with you. The problem I have is when someone says stuff like this doesn't bother them and we should all "relax" (or not get so worked up about Crosby) but then gets sensitive like a 16 year old school girl.

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

A lack of negative coverage to be specific.

esteef

This is true esteef. But now you're splitting hairs. Crosby scores 5 points, nobody wants to hear about how good he is. Crosby goes -3 in a game and people want it to make front page headlines across the globe. Seeems we want to have our cake and eat it to, no?

I agree with you. The problem I have is when someone says stuff like this doesn't bother them and we should all "relax" (or not get so worked up about Crosby) but then gets sensitive like a 16 year old school girl.

That's exactly what I was trying to explain to titman2 or whatever his handle is. Call me names, insult me. I care not. I'm going to do the same thing because i'm not above it all. I enjoy engagement.

[esteef 2,679]

This is true esteef. But now you're splitting hairs. Crosby scores 5 points, nobody wants to hear about how good he is. Crosby goes -3 in a game and people want it to make front page headlines across the globe. Seeems we want to have our cake and eat it to, no?

Sure nobody wants to hear it, but that doesn't stop it from being plastered on every website and print media within reach. Which explains why people are a little peeved that he essentially gets a pass when he does tank. You know the old addage, what's good for the goose...

esteef

[Guest GordieSid&Ted]

Sure nobody wants to hear it, but that doesn't stop it from being plastered on every website and print media within reach. Which explains why people are a little peeved that he essentially gets a pass when he does tank. You know the old addage, what's good for the goose...

esteef

That's an interesting notion. I wonder, if Crosby rec'd as much negative publicity as he did positive publicity, would it make us feel better about the situation? Would it make our obsession with him decrease? Would it be good for hockey?

Considering the amount of coverage he gets now, I imagine that no amount of negative press would help the situation. I think the message would get lost and people would still just gripe that all we ever hear about is Crosby. My opinion.

[esteef 2,679]

That's an interesting notion. I wonder, if Crosby rec'd as much negative publicity as he did positive publicity, would it make us feel better about the situation? Would it make our obsession with him decrease? Would it be good for hockey?

Considering the amount of coverage he gets now, I imagine that no amount of negative press would help the situation. I think the message would get lost and people would still just gripe that all we ever hear about is Crosby. My opinion.

I guess we'll never know unless they tried!

esteef

[The Secret 304]

How about a relity TV series "Survivor NHL: Hero's vs Villan's" or better yet "Real World: NHL" where they all get to live in the same house and see what shinanegans happen... now that would be TV worth talking about!

[Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029]

Mature.

Also really mature. Nothing is funnier then 3 year old internet memes.

You defend Crosby like he's your girlfriend.

[Electrophile 3,554]

You are wrong on 2 counts Einstein.

#1. I don't think I am, I know I am.

#2. Not better than "us", as to imply the whole of LGW. Just the two biggest twits on the site. Congratulations, you are one of them.

LOL. This was supposed to be insulting? My cousin's 5 year old daughter could come up with something better than that. Try harder next time. Or better yet, since you seem to think this site is beneath you, just don't bother posting here anymore.

Edited May 13, 2010 by Electrophile

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Doc, don't you find any of this old? I have to tell you, I think Wings fans and LGW talk about Crosby more than the Lets Go Pens talks about Crosby.

Before I start, pardon my continuous snipping of your posts. Just a habit when dealing with a lot of content.

As a whole, absolutely. I have responded to many people who make the same "Crosby Bettman whining homosexual diving overrated etc." comments about him. I disagree that this thread is just another manifestation of that, because I trust the OP's judgment on making threads (though I disagree with him about the whole enforcer issue).

If we want to say that Crosby sucked, then just say he sucked and didn't play a great series.

But to devote a thread to this notion that the media isn't lambasting Crosby AS MUCH AS or MORE THAN AO to me, just sounds like the whiniest BS ever. For pete's sake, all we ever hear about is how much we're sick of the media coverage of Crosby. Now, when Crosby has a bad series, we're mad b/c there isn't enough media coverage of it.

That is a valid point.

It is a plain, can't hide it or sweep it under the rug, FACT, that a vocal minority of LGW simply cannot be grown ups about Sidney Crosby. They just can't let it go. They're like a jilted ex-girlfriend who wants to slash your tires and make voodoo dolls of you.

Agreed when it comes to a good number of members here.

Come on people. We are getting our panties in a bind b/c we're unsatisfied with the amount of negative media coverage of Sid. There is absolutely no pleasing these jilted folks.

Also agreed.

And yes, the collective panties are getting in a bind. Just b/c people are civily bashing Sid (for the most part) doesn't mean we're not doing the same old song and dance, over and over again.

I disagree here. I think criticizing a player's performance CAN involve intellectual discourse even if the player being discussed is vehemently hated. For the most part this thread gave at least some civil discussion regarding the play, not the attitude, of number 87.

We look like a bunch of jerks with this constant broken record, find something, anything we can to ***** about when it comes to Crosby.

And you asked about why I post here. Check my posting numbers. It gets to be fewer and fewer by the month. In my humble opinion, this place just isn't that much fun to come to anymore. I can't go more than a couple of days without there being another fecking Crosby thread. If I wanted this much Crosby, i'd just visit LGP or spend all day on NHL.com. And i'm not the only one. A noticeable amount of very excellent posters the past 5 years have disappeared or make very infrequent stops here.

And frankly, in a roundabout way I guess you could blame Crosby for that too. It's a shame b/c I really used to love this place. Now I just kind of like it. But that's jut me, i'm sure others are just happy as clams at what LGW has turned into during the Crosby era.

It's just a shame is all. This place used to be so much better.

Fair enough. The difference between our opinions on the site is it is very easy to ignore those threads discussing Crosby, which normally house people like Carman (sorry but your posts do NOT improve the discussions on the forum and its incredibly stupid) and other "I hate Crosby and I want the world to know" posters.

Don't let some stupid threads spoil the whole bunch. Especially since you are an intelligent poster from what I have read.

[Vladifan 680]

This is true esteef. But now you're splitting hairs. Crosby scores 5 points, nobody wants to hear about how good he is. Crosby goes -3 in a game and people want it to make front page headlines across the globe. Seeems we want to have our cake and eat it to, no?

That's exactly what I was trying to explain to titman2 or whatever his handle is. Call me names, insult me. I care not. I'm going to do the same thing because i'm not above it all. I enjoy engagement.

Naw, you're not defensive about any of this. The name is Titanium2, name-caller, personified.

[Vladifan 680]

Wow. I might actually be offended if you were anybody. But since I merely scoff at lesser people than myself, i'll just ignore you. Here's a bit of advice. Find yourself at least one other hobby. B/c there are not trophies handed out ofr being the most prolific poster on LGW in the shortest amount of time.

Yes, but you didn't. (*see later though indirect response.)

It's cool of you to deign to lower yourself for any of us, but honest. It's not necessary. Really.

I am fine with the fact that you're not comfortable with this thread. But when you keep trying to prove you're right by insulting and attacking, you already lost. So why are you still here?

I totally understand what you're saying and I appreciate the way you're going about it. But just sitting idly by while the forum tanks bothers me a bit too.

It would be one thing if the Crosby threads were by and large serious and of importance. Sadly they aren't.

Think about it. The sole purpose for this thread is to complain about the lack of media coverage of Crosby's poor play.

Does anyone here not find that ironical?

What do you plan to do about the 'forum tanking'? Specifically? Creatively?

Edited May 13, 2010 by Vladifan

[Carman 387]

You just said we "need to take a step back and have fun". Seems like I'm having more fun than you.

But seriously, you're *** for Crosby.

I fail to see how *** bashing is "fun".

I agree with you. The problem I have is when someone says stuff like this doesn't bother them and we should all "relax" (or not get so worked up about Crosby) but then gets sensitive like a 16 year old school girl.

Oh trust me I'm not offended in the least. I just choose to follow the rules on the forum.

This isn't 4chan, somethingawful etc. Probably should use those avenues if you want to get your "lulz".

Edited May 13, 2010 by Carman

[titanium2 867]

That's exactly what I was trying to explain to titman2 or whatever his handle is. Call me names, insult me. I care not. I'm going to do the same thing because i'm not above it all. I enjoy engagement.

Titanium2, name-caller, personified.

Oh mannn... Now I wish Titman were my user name. When I came up with it I just looked around the room and saw my hockey stick and figured why not? Couldn't think of anything else. I don't know, maybe if I were a little older when I signed up maybe I would've thought about **** instead of hockey sticks.

[HankthaTank 1,100]

Oh mannn... Now I wish Titman were my user name. When I came up with it I just looked around the room and saw my hockey stick and figured why not? Couldn't think of anything else. I don't know, maybe if I were a little older when I signed up maybe I would've thought about **** instead of hockey sticks.

TitsMcgee would be a solid choice as well...

[Electrophile 3,554]

TitsMcgee would be a solid choice as well...

Every time I see "**** McGee", I think of that line in Anchorman.

"I'm Veronica Corningstone, **** McGee is on assignment."