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#61 WorkingOvertime

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 03:34 PM

IMO Flip is a much better all-around player than Huds. I could see Huds putting up more points than Flip, but I don't think that he is a better hockey player in the total sense. I'm glad that the Wings have both- as long as Huds steps up the rest of the season. Huds certainly has more obvious weaknesses than Flip, but that isn't to say that he doesn't have many strengths.

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 09:22 PM

Hudler isn't Babcock's favorite because he can't do anything but score... and he's not even doing that. Of course Cleary should be in the lineup over Hudler. Who do you want out there killing penalties, Hudler or Cleary?


Eaves, Miller, Filppula, Helm, Datsyuk, and Zetterberg.

Who do you want out there the last 1 minute of play in the 3rd period during a 2-1 game? Cleary or Hudler?


Who do you want out there in the last minute of a game when you're down a goal, Hudler or Cleary?

Who do you want setting up and running your power play, Hudler or Cleary?

It's a matter of situations. One is better at some and the other is better at others. Wow, shocking.


Cleary should be one of Babcock's favorites, the man is af****** beast in all three zones of the ice and he's the true definition of clutch. What's not to like? What does Hudler bring to the table when he's not an offensive threat? Liability.


For the first 8-10 games, Cleary wasn't bringing his offense and was playing well below the expected level defensively. So you can't just say "Cleary is a beast in all three zones, so he has to be in" because that has the same validity as if I were to say "Hudler is the second best playmaker on the team, so he has to be in."
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Posted 12 November 2010 - 11:02 PM

Hudler is a better clucker, but Fil predicts Groundhog Day so accurately.

Who has the advantage? Such a hard decision to make!

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 11:31 PM

Yep. Cleary is one of Babcock's favorites, and Modano is not going to sit unless he wants to. Babs has never been a Huds fan, and the fourth line was playing well. So Hudler was doomed to sit with the line not meshing.


That's just silly. Cleary plays because he works his ass off every shift and is the most versatile forward on the team. Not to mention, he has six times as many goals as Hudler, seven more points, is a respectable plus two after starting in a huge hole (Hudler is still a minus six) and he kills penalties. If Cleary is one of Babcock's favorites, it's because he earned it - something Hudler has yet to do even remotely this season. I'm not saying that Modano and Cleary don't share some fault for the third line not clicking, but they seem to be doing rather well now with Abdelkader or Bertuzzi as the third member. Hudler looked better against the Oilers, but Babcock is exactly right in that he needs to bring that effort far more consistently than he has to this point.

I like Hudler, am geninuely glad he came back and feel he will be a valuable asset to the Red Wings as the season progesses. I couldn't care less about the Filppula vs. Hudler debate because they are both Red Wings and I don't give a crap about one side of the respective player's fans being able to say they were right all along. We should all want both of them to succeed.
 
 
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Posted 13 November 2010 - 12:12 AM

six times as many goals


You win at math. Here's a cookie.
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Posted 13 November 2010 - 12:17 AM

Who do you want out there in the last minute of a game when you're down a goal, Hudler or Cleary?


Cleary. That answer required NO thought whatsoever.

Who do you want setting up and running your power play, Hudler or Cleary?


Cleary can't do that. Neither can Hudler. Your claims about Hudler are becoming more and more absurd.

It's a matter of situations. One is better at some and the other is better at others. Wow, shocking.


Cleary is a great two-way forward capable of 20-25 goals and 40-50 points per season. Hudler capable of offense, but he's a total liability when he doesn't have the puck.

For the first 8-10 games, Cleary wasn't bringing his offense and was playing well below the expected level defensively. So you can't just say "Cleary is a beast in all three zones, so he has to be in" because that has the same validity as if I were to say "Hudler is the second best playmaker on the team, so he has to be in."


Err...

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 12:38 AM

Who do you want out there in the last minute of a game when you're down a goal, Hudler or Cleary?


Cleary, because this season if it's Huds out there, there's a good chance you'll end up down two goals.

Who do you want setting up and running your power play, Hudler or Cleary?

Neither?

It's a matter of situations. One is better at some and the other is better at others. Wow, shocking.[/font]

For the first 8-10 games, Cleary wasn't bringing his offense and was playing well below the expected level defensively. So you can't just say "Cleary is a beast in all three zones, so he has to be in" because that has the same validity as if I were to say "Hudler is the second best playmaker on the team, so he has to be in."

Cleary was "well below the expected level defensively" because he had two anchors around his neck as he skated.

At the end of games, Babcock has been putting Cleary out there with Zetterberg and Datsyuk. Why do you think that is?

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 12:57 AM

cleary wouldn't look so good if it weren't for hudler playing so poorly!

dan should be thanking jiri every day.



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Posted 13 November 2010 - 01:55 AM

Having played with nearly every forward on the roster somewhere along the way, Bertuzzi isn't fazed from the line switching. As long as he pays attention to details defensively, he believes he'll be fine.

"It has everything to do with having Pav and Z — two players as good as they are offensively probably better defensively," Bertuzzi said. "When you have guys like myself and (the other forwards) and they see how they play and how they do it — if they can do it, you can do it, too."


From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/a...g#ixzz158vOuBnF


Yeah, Hudler. :P

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 03:08 AM

You win at math. Here's a cookie.


Wow, I take it you have no real argument then if that's the only response you could generate to my post?

I could have said Hudler has no goals. Would that have been better stated or is that stat directly due to global warming, Mike Modano, Dan Cleary, Mike Babcock, or some combination of the above?
 
 
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Posted 13 November 2010 - 03:16 AM

Dastyuk is the best all-around player in the league. Ovechikin/Crosby are the most potent offensively. Who would you rather have?
Filppula is the better all around player. Hudler is better offensively. Who would you rather have?
Would you be happy if these players were on your team? Yes.

I rest my case.

Who do you want out there in the last minute of a game when you're down a goal, Hudler or Cleary?

Cleary. Is that even a joke? Cleary scores clutch goals. And I don't even like Cleary and it's obvious.
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Posted 13 November 2010 - 11:29 PM

why does it have to be flip vs hudler? Why can't it be Flip AND Hudler



After two years of some of us wanting that...I think it just might stick!

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 01:32 AM

Dastyuk is the best all-around player in the league. Ovechikin/Crosby are the most potent offensively. Who would you rather have?
Filppula is the better all around player. Hudler is better offensively. Who would you rather have?
Would you be happy if these players were on your team? Yes.

I rest my case.


Cleary. Is that even a joke? Cleary scores clutch goals. And I don't even like Cleary and it's obvious.


Hudler has scored plenty of clutch goals in his career. Being a favorite whipping boy kind of takes recognition away from that, much like it did for Mikael Samuelsson.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 04:04 AM

How anyone in their right mind could think that Hudler is an overall better NHL Player than Flip is beyond me. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 09:15 AM

So, Hudler's "office" is behind the opposition net? Never saw this coming.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 11:47 AM

Well all I can say, as a Hudler slappy, is that if he keeps up with his play of the last couple games a lot of crow will be had by all. And I think everyone will be happy to have it.
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Posted 14 November 2010 - 07:34 PM

Filler or Hudppula?

Choose.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 08:33 PM

Well all I can say, as a Hudler slappy, is that if he keeps up with his play of the last couple games a lot of crow will be had by all. And I think everyone will be happy to have it.


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Posted 09 December 2010 - 10:57 PM

I wish I could change this thread title to, "should Hudler even be on an NHL roster?"

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Posted 09 December 2010 - 11:21 PM

I'll tell you what, if we could combine Flip and Huds into one player, we'd have another Datsyuk on our hands. Flip has got the drive and the more complete game but not a lot of offensive skill...oh, and height. Huds has got plenty of offensive skill to go around, but he struggles mentally and not only is he literally small, he plays small. Neither of these guys individually have lived up to the hype consistently at any point in their careers. They likely never will. So again, the obvious solution is to Frankenstein their asses into one complete, skilled player.

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