DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 It seems in this league that two way players seem to get unnoticed quite abit for some reason, I guess because they don't score 50 goals a season or something. However I was browsing NHL.com the other day and seen he was ranked 3rd in points and 2nd in assists in the league yet you barely ever hear his name, in fact you hear Stamkos name more than his yet hes the one mostly responsible for Stamkos's goals. Every year he seems to notch over 85+ points and plays a pretty good two way game, but you never hear his name in the top players in the league. The same could be said about Datsyuk, if he wasn't so flashy do you think people would take as much notice as they do ? just curious to see what you guys think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Stolberg Report post Posted December 22, 2010 everyone knows how good he is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 I never get to watch him, but he was talked about quite a bit a few years ago, especially when Tampa won the Cup. You're right about them never talking about him, I just assumed his abilities dropped off and he was another one of the countless stars who just disappeared. Sounds like he's still a great player, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 everyone knows how good he is I don't think so personally, if everyone knew how good he was his name would come up alot more. Not one list i've seen has him ranked in the top 20 best players currently in the NHL. Do you think Stamkos would be as good without him ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey v3.4 45 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) I don't think so personally, if everyone knew how good he was his name would come up alot more. Not one list i've seen has him ranked in the top 20 best players currently in the NHL. Do you think Stamkos would be as good without him ? Ron Francis, Daniel Alfreddson, a lot of players don't get the mention they deserve through a career, and Two-Way forwards always get the shaft. Until really this last year, Datsyuk has been a pretty silent forward too. I've seen more news articles and discussions about him this year, than in probably all the rest of his playing years combined. Even in 2008 Zetterberg walked away with the Smythe, Franzen was the hot stick, and Datsyuk was just a silent champion. St Louis had 94 points last year (Compared to Datsyuk only having 70 something). His last 100 point season was 2006, where he had 40+ goals. But most NHL players will never have even one 100 point season. I don't think it's that people don't know how good he is. He just largely gets overshadowed, and honestly, TB hasn't been the greatest team in a while. Malkin has Crosby to overshadow him Backstrom has Ovechkin to overshadow him St Louis has Stamkos to overshadow him St Louis got a lot of hype and attention when Tampa Bay won the cup, but he got good before the NHL started marketing players so heavily. Or as I like to say....before the NHL read "Marketing in the NBA for dummies". The other reason that most of your two-way forwards don't get a lot of respect/hype, is because 99% of the fans of hockey in the U.S. don't even know what "Two Way Forward" means They just like the flashy light that goes off when the puck goes into the net. Edited December 22, 2010 by Joey v3.4 3 soultrain, Original-Six and DatsyukianDekes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Travis 576 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 I believe he and Lecavalier both go largely under-discussed due to their market. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 I believe he and Lecavalier both go largely under-discussed due to their market. Lecavalier sucks anyway. St.Louis deserves more recognition though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 Ron Francis, Daniel Alfreddson, a lot of players don't get the mention they deserve through a career, and Two-Way forwards always get the shaft. Until really this last year, Datsyuk has been a pretty silent forward too. I've seen more news articles and discussions about him this year, than in probably all the rest of his playing years combined. Even in 2008 Zetterberg walked away with the Smythe, Franzen was the hot stick, and Datsyuk was just a silent champion. St Louis had 94 points last year (Compared to Datsyuk only having 70 something). His last 100 point season was 2006, where he had 40+ goals. But most NHL players will never have even one 100 point season. I don't think it's that people don't know how good he is. He just largely gets overshadowed, and honestly, TB hasn't been the greatest team in a while. Malkin has Crosby to overshadow him Backstrom has Ovechkin to overshadow him St Louis has Stamkos to overshadow him St Louis got a lot of hype and attention when Tampa Bay won the cup, but he got good before the NHL started marketing players so heavily. Or as I like to say....before the NHL read "Marketing in the NBA for dummies". The other reason that most of your two-way forwards don't get a lot of respect/hype, is because 99% of the fans of hockey in the U.S. don't even know what "Two Way Forward" means They just like the flashy light that goes off when the puck goes into the net. I agree with this, couldn't have said it better myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 As others have said, the key words here are under-discussed and overshadowed. Being in a weaker market and having a more marketable player above him have hurt the recognition St. Louis gets. I've always loved the guy as a player, and I'm happy to see him continue to do as well as he has. They just like the flashy light that goes off when the puck goes into the net. They also fell in love with the FoxTrax (glow puck), and were confused and disappointed when they went to live games and it was nowhere to be found Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dat's sick 1,002 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 He did get a lot of attention back when he won the Art Ross, but for reasons unknown he kinda faded from the spotlight. Playing for Tampa has something to do with it. Even when they won the cup it felt like NO ONE cared. Don't think I've ever met anyone who considered themselves a Tampa fan. They're getting some hype now though with Stamkos and Yzerman turning things around for them, so I believe St.Louis will also get more exposure. He seems like a really classy guy and obviously is a great player, he'd fit in extremely well with the Wings organization.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Stolberg Report post Posted December 22, 2010 Lecavalier sucks anyway. St.Louis deserves more recognition though. "See, you go like this... and then you wanna do this.. you following Vinny?" "Ohhh... so that's how you stop sucking?" 1 Original-Six reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Motown4013 350 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 St. Louis is one of the most under rated guys in the league bar none. I saw him play live at the St. Pete Times Forum in 2001 and I was dumbstruck about how fast he is. Seeing him on TV doesnt do it justice..the dude has wheels and that was almost 10 years ago, but he sees the ice so well and his positioning is so good that he is always in the mix. There are so many guys in the league that do not get the props they deserve for their play: Loui Erikkson in Dallas is another guy who is a monster and almost always is overlooked for his play, much like Jere Lehtinen was. Going with a Dallas stars theme here, I could throw Brad Richards in as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soultrain 43 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 Other stars are Over-hyped...i don't think really any of the players mentioned are Underrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Din758 371 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 underrated no, left out of the spotlight, yes. i had no idea he was putting up those kind of numbers right here. Joey hit the nail on the head with the overshadowing point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 I believe he and Lecavalier both go largely under-discussed due to their market. Lecavalier is overrated, not underrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 For a guy that size to win the Hart Trophy in a sport where size is always considered important, it's a huge testament to him. He did it in this era too, where players are bigger and stronger than they've ever been. He's always been underrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hatethedrake! Report post Posted December 22, 2010 St. Louis is not underrated because everyone keeps talking about how underrated he is. Marty is one of the best players in the league and I hear more about him than I do about Datsyuk who is having a heck of a season. Any NHL show I watch it always seems how everyone talks about how good Marty St. Louis is and deservedly so. I just don't think he deserves the UNDERRATED LABEL when so many people talk about him all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 How many times can we say a player is underrated until he is fairly rated or overrated? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 How many times can we say a player is underrated until he is fairly rated or overrated? 4 pages, once it gets to 5 pages he's fairly rated, but once it hits 6 pages, he's severely over-rated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey v3.4 45 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 (edited) How many times can we say a player is underrated until he is fairly rated or overrated? Good point. When you look back on it, he seems pretty highly rated by all of us. I think the real truth is.....he just doesn't have that "Flair" that the media is looking for. He's not the rockstar Ovie, he doesn't hold Headlines like Crosby, he's not the breakout superstar sniper that Stamkos is, and even Datsyuk has a marketable personality and style with his "Lady Bing, Dangle your socks off" appeal. St Louis is just a good player. The media has no use for that :-p I Hereby nominate this thread to the "Other Guy", that second person that makes a top line the top. To all the St Louis, the Malkin's, and the Backstrom's. And to that other Sedin twin, whichever one "Isn't" on top this year. Edited December 22, 2010 by Joey v3.4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted December 22, 2010 he doesn't hold Headlines like Crosby (stifled laughter)... (struggling)... ...Ahhhahahahahahahaha!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted December 23, 2010 Good point. When you look back on it, he seems pretty highly rated by all of us. I think the real truth is.....he just doesn't have that "Flair" that the media is looking for. He's not the rockstar Ovie, he doesn't hold Headlines like Crosby, he's not the breakout superstar sniper that Stamkos is, and even Datsyuk has a marketable personality and style with his "Lady Bing, Dangle your socks off" appeal. Yzerman had none of that "flair", either. Stevie was just the third best player in an era featuring two of the top five players ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Konnan511 1,736 Report post Posted December 23, 2010 Yzerman had none of that "flair", either. Stevie was just the third best player in an era featuring two of the top five players ever. Hell, he wasn't even the best player on his team most of his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted December 23, 2010 Hell, he wasn't even the best player on his team most of his career. He was the undisputed best player every year from 1983-84 to 1992-93. That's 10. Fedorov won the Hart in 1993-94, but a little known fact is that Yzerman was on pace for 119 points, which was one fewer than Fedorov scored. Fedorov was the better player then, but many years through the 90s Yzerman was the Wings best player. Such as 1999-2000, when Yzerman was named the first-team center and won the Selke. Yzerman was not always his team's best player. Just about every great player in history has had this occur, where they were not always their team's best player. From Howe to Gretzky to Lindsay to Orr, it's all the same. Even Mario Lemieux had a couple of seasons where he wasn't his team's top player, and the names of the players who outperformed him that season might surprise you. Crosby, in Lemieux's final season, is probably not a shock. The other one is a 28-year old Alexei Kovalev in 2002. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivalred 630 Report post Posted December 23, 2010 Hell, he wasn't even the best player on his team most of his career. Overall points does not equate to being the best player on the team. His style of play changed and became more of a two-way player. Stevie was the best player when he played here. He played smart and seen the ice well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
