stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Sort by +/- and look half way down the page... http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/statistics/?hubname=nhl-red_wings POS / NAME / GP / G / A / PTS / +/- / PPG / SHG / GWG / PIM / SHOTS / PCT / ATOI D / Nicklas Lidstrom / 35 / 9 / 20 / 29 / -1 / 5 / 0 / 1 / 8 / 80 / 11.25 / 23:39 I know it's a very misleading stat at times and I'm positive that it won't stay this way, but it still just looks odd... on a side note, look at Abby... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted December 27, 2010 (edited) Even though most fans won't admit it one should be able to see he's lost a step in the defensive zone this season but indeed it's really weird seeing a minus on him Edited December 27, 2010 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 (edited) He's old? It is very odd seeing that. I honestly don't get it... is he really on the ice for THAT MANY goals? I know that special teams points don't go towards +/-. But still. Edited December 27, 2010 by Broken 16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted December 27, 2010 He's old? It is very odd seeing that. I honestly don't get it... is he really on the ice for THAT MANY goals? I know that special teams points don't go towards +/-. But still. I've noticed it a lot but perhaps it's because i look for errors by wings players 90% of the game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Like I said in the other Perfect Human thread I think he really started to rack up the minuses once the Franzen-Filppula-Bertuzzi line seemed to slump defensively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 He's old? It is very odd seeing that. I honestly don't get it... is he really on the ice for THAT MANY goals? I know that special teams points don't go towards +/-. But still. The thing that alarms me about this, was that he was a +11 or something about 6 weeks ago or so... Like I said, I'm sure the water will find its level, but it is odd... Like I said in the other Perfect Human thread I think he really started to rack up the minuses once the Franzen-Filppula-Bertuzzi line seemed to slump defensively. They haven't been a line for over a month though and that's when his numbers started dropping... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 They haven't been a line for over a month though and that's when his numbers started dropping... Over a month? What? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Ahem... PLUS/MINUS IS A MEANINGLESS STAT WHICH IS OF LESS VALUE TO TRACK THAN SHUTOUTS. Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Ahem... PLUS/MINUS IS A MEANINGLESS STAT WHICH IS OF LESS VALUE TO TRACK THAN SHUTOUTS. Thank you. I didn't see anyone assigning any major value to the stat in this thread. Just people saying that it looks odd. Pump the brakes, jeez. 6 GoWings1905, stevkrause, uk_redwing and 3 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanDer 58 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 I didn't see anyone assigning any major value to the stat in this thread. Just people saying that it looks odd. Pump the brakes, jeez. emm The plus/minus stat is in bold in the OP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broken 16 381 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 (edited) emm The plus/minus stat is in bold in the OP Lol... Ya, because that happens to be the subject of the thread. Not because the sky is falling. This thread is doomed to be ruined by Lidstrom slappys. (not necessarily you... just sayin) Edited December 27, 2010 by Broken 16 3 sleepwalker, atodaso and stevkrause reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wings_fanatic 677 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Well something I have noticed, Nick does not seem to play nearly as much this year at the same time as Pavs and Hank... and for the past month or so it has been that line that has been getting most of the scoring done... so since Nick is mostly with the other lines that were slumping, it hurt his plus/minus. Another note, I hate the pairing of Nick and Stu... I would like to see Nick and Kronners because Stu is too slow to play with Nick imo... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Well something I have noticed, Nick does not seem to play nearly as much this year at the same time as Pavs and Hank... and for the past month or so it has been that line that has been getting most of the scoring done... so since Nick is mostly with the other lines that were slumping, it hurt his plus/minus. Another note, I hate the pairing of Nick and Stu... I would like to see Nick and Kronners because Stu is too slow to play with Nick imo... This is sort of what I was getting at earlier. Pav and Z have mostly been with Ericsson and Rafalski it seems. The Filppula line is streaky seems to be streaky as hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Over a month? What? That's when Babs broke this line up... all 3 of them have not been on a line since about the middle of November... Ahem... PLUS/MINUS IS A MEANINGLESS STAT WHICH IS OF LESS VALUE TO TRACK THAN SHUTOUTS. Thank you. learn to read - Sort by +/- and look half way down the page... http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/statistics/?hubname=nhl-red_wings POS / NAME / GP / G / A / PTS / +/- / PPG / SHG / GWG / PIM / SHOTS / PCT / ATOI D / Nicklas Lidstrom / 35 / 9 / 20 / 29 / -1 / 5 / 0 / 1 / 8 / 80 / 11.25 / 23:39 I know it's a very misleading stat at times and I'm positive that it won't stay this way, but it still just looks odd... on a side note, look at Abby... Lol... Ya, because that happens to be the subject of the thread. Not because the sky is falling. This thread is doomed to be ruined by Lidstrom slappys. (not necessarily you... just sayin) thank you! I thought I made that pretty clear, but apparently some people can't read... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Babcock breaking up the defensive pairings had something to do with it. Obviously, Lidstrom and Stuart aren't working out well together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Babcock breaking up the defensive pairings had something to do with it. Obviously, Lidstrom and Stuart aren't working out well together. It was working extremely well for Stuart. After 20 games he had 2 goals and 8 assists, pace for 8-33-41, which would be his second best season offensively in his career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanZ 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Lidstrom got an assist last night vs. Minnesota, right? On the Holmstrom goal? I don't understand why he didn't get a +1 then... Can someone please explain? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Lidstrom got an assist last night vs. Minnesota, right? On the Holmstrom goal? I don't understand why he didn't get a +1 then... Can someone please explain? Because it was a powerplay goal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theophany 110 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Babcock breaking up the defensive pairings had something to do with it. Obviously, Lidstrom and Stuart aren't working out well together. Stuart just isn't solid enough defensively right now to play with Lids. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,803 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 It was working extremely well for Stuart. After 20 games he had 2 goals and 8 assists, pace for 8-33-41, which would be his second best season offensively in his career. I don't think it's working well for the whole team, though. They've given up too many goals lately for a team with a great defense on paper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 It was working extremely well for Stuart. After 20 games he had 2 goals and 8 assists, pace for 8-33-41, which would be his second best season offensively in his career. Much better than your boy Hudler. He's being out performed by goons and stay at home defensemen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted December 27, 2010 I don't think it's working well for the whole team, though. They've given up too many goals lately for a team with a great defense on paper. No s***, soon passing the 100goal against mark... not good enough especially not now with the injuries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Stolberg Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Stuart just isn't solid enough defensively right now to play with Lids. he's miles ahead of rafalski in that department 1 GoWings1905 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 Sort by +/- and look half way down the page... http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/statistics/?hubname=nhl-red_wings POS / NAME / GP / G / A / PTS / +/- / PPG / SHG / GWG / PIM / SHOTS / PCT / ATOI D / Nicklas Lidstrom / 35 / 9 / 20 / 29 / -1 / 5 / 0 / 1 / 8 / 80 / 11.25 / 23:39 I know it's a very misleading stat at times and I'm positive that it won't stay this way, but it still just looks odd... on a side note, look at Abby... I agree totally: while it's far from the most outrageous thing in the world, I was still shocked to notice it, too. Does anyone know, in reality, how much weight is placed on a player's plus/minus statistic for the actual Norris voting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Theophany 110 Report post Posted December 27, 2010 I agree totally: while it's far from the most outrageous thing in the world, I was still shocked to notice it, too. Does anyone know, in reality, how much weight is placed on a player's plus/minus statistic for the actual Norris voting? Very little, from what I understand. Most sports writers that are voting on it are actually watching games, not just looking at a stat sheet (though it may seem like it with Green's nominations in the past). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
