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Chara's hit on Pacioretty

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Unfortunate outcome, but basically the same thing Stuart does multiple times a season when he is beat defensively on a play. Just happened to catch him at a bad part of the rink. Chara interferswith him but with the speed they are moving and Chara's size & strength he ends up planting his dome against the glass. I'm not sure how anyone can honestly think that Chara conciously thought "I'm going to blast this guy into the turnbuckle." The guy was taking a stupid penalty because he was late reacting and the guy was blowing by him.

I honestly don't give a s*** about his intentions at this point. His victim has a broken ******* neck and severe concussion. Did anyone care that Bertuzzi didn't mean to break Moore's neck? Did anyone care that the guys piling on Bert and Moore afterwords almost certainly worsened Moore's neck injury? Nope.

If I plow into the back of a guy's car on the highway my insurance company doesn't give two s***s about my intent.

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That was probably the most vicious hit I have seen since that guy in the major juniors last year just straight up laid the other guy out. And to end the debate, Chara even says he knew the stantion was coming up. He knew it was going to be a pretty severe impact. Suspension talk aside, Pacioretty probably came within a RCH of being dead on the ice. In no way is that cool. I like a good hard fought game like the next guy, but I never want to see someone with an injury to the neck, spine or head. Those injuries generally don't heal. That is another human being out there. It isn't a video game. Choices like that are permanent. There is no reason to rub him out there, it doesn't effect the play at all. That was not a check or a hit, that was a guy getting pushed or rubbed into harms way. Thats like throwing a guy to the subway tracks. He knew what would happen, though I am sure he did not want him to get hurt like that. But he made a very bad choice and should be sat down accordingly. If he is as sorry for him and wants him to be ok as he says, he will take his suspension. I just hope Pacioretty is ok and can play hockey again....

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I honestly don't give a s*** about his intentions at this point. His victim has a broken ******* neck and severe concussion. Did anyone care that Bertuzzi didn't mean to break Moore's neck? Did anyone care that the guys piling on Bert and Moore afterwords almost certainly worsened Moore's neck injury? Nope.

If I plow into the back of a guy's car on the highway my insurance company doesn't give two s***s about my intent.

Or that you may be a nice guy.

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I honestly don't give a s*** about his intentions.

that's nice, but as we've already covered, the league does.

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The injury is probably going to lead to a suspension which is really sad. The NHL suspends the injury and not the action.

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I honestly don't give a s*** about his intentions at this point. His victim has a broken ******* neck and severe concussion. Did anyone care that Bertuzzi didn't mean to break Moore's neck? Did anyone care that the guys piling on Bert and Moore afterwords almost certainly worsened Moore's neck injury? Nope.

If I plow into the back of a guy's car on the highway my insurance company doesn't give two s***s about my intent.

And really, can you ever prove someone's intentions? What looks as an intentional hit to me looks unintentional to someone else. You'll never know unless Chara says "yes I wanted to drill him into the stantion".

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And really, can you ever prove someone's intentions? What looks as an intentional hit to me looks unintentional to someone else. You'll never know unless Chara says "yes I wanted to drill him into the stantion".

Exactly. You have to suspend based on the rules and the outcome of the player's actions. Is it fair that Chara would be suspended for something he did by accident? Maybe I guess but it's also unfair that a guy is sitting in the hospital right now praying he'll be able to walk again.

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maybe now they will finally make that curved glass instead of a hard angle wrapped in almost no padding. always thought that was a dumb part of the rink. that turnbuckle and the doors for the benches are dangerous as hell.

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Exactly. You have to suspend based on the rules and the outcome of the player's actions. Is it fair that Chara would be suspended for something he did by accident? Maybe I guess but it's also unfair that a guy is sitting in the hospital right now praying he'll be able to walk again.

You're overreaching here. I haven't heard a single report that he cannot walk or is paralyzed in any way. Not all neck injuries affect your ability to walk.

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I have no dislike for Chara at all. I think he is a good player and generally not a dirty player.

That being said I disagree with some here who said he didn't know the stantion was there/coming up because of the speed of the game etc. While we may never know for sure, these guys are professional athletes who have spent the majority of their lives on similar rinks, the things that they can do on the ice come from an insane amount of time spent at the rink and I think they know every inch of their field in a way we can't really imagine. The stick control, instincts, handling, etc. that these guys have is something that we can't even grasp. It is nothing like our pickup/beer league games. I imagine that Chara knew exactly where he was on the ice as he I think he does almost all the time. I doubt he intended Pacioretty to be injured the way that he was but at minimum I think it was a reckless action where he disregarded the potential that such an impact/injury could occur.

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I see a lot of back and forth here on the intent Chara had.. Watching the video, especially in slow motion it is really hard to say Chara didnt try to run him in.. So I gotta think Chara at least had some idea what he was doing, even if it was in the heat of the moment.. But I really really have a hard time trying to think Chara thought he would hit as hard as he did.. I mean it happens a few times per year where someone collides in that exact same spot then gets up and skates away.. But you add the speed they were going with the strength of Chara, you get this as your end result. I really don't see how they can NOT suspend this.. but at the same time I don't see it being very many games.. I'd say maybe 2 or 3 games. In my opinion it's a lot like if you were in a boxing match or a mma fight and you hit somebody hard enough to break their neck or give thema severe injury, obviously you hit them with the intent of hurting them but you never anticipated hurting them that badly..

Just a bad break all around.. But will make for an interesting time if Montreal and Boston happen to meet in the playoffs.. Although it's not like Montreal has anyone who is gonna be able to "deal with" Chara.. (If anyone says Hal Gill, I will come through the internet and slap you)

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You're overreaching here. I haven't heard a single report that he cannot walk or is paralyzed in any way. Not all neck injuries affect your ability to walk.

Right - he suffered a fractured vertebrae, and no reports of any nerve/spinal cord damage.

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You're overreaching here. I haven't heard a single report that he cannot walk or is paralyzed in any way. Not all neck injuries affect your ability to walk.

I'm well aware. But tell me you wouldn't be terrified about walking again if you broke your neck.

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Right - he suffered a fractured vertebrae, and no reports of any nerve/spinal cord damage.

True, but my point is that he's got a broken vertebrae in his neck and we both know that's the first thing that went through his mind when he found out.

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I'm well aware. But tell me you wouldn't be terrified about walking again if you broke your neck.

If I was moving all four of my limbs I probably wouldn't be too worried.

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The injury is probably going to lead to a suspension which is really sad. The NHL suspends the injury and not the action.

Are you kidding? he clearly rode his face into the stanchion. If he wanted to rub him out, he could have forced him to the ice; but, instead he rides Pac's up and into the stanchion.

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In that still shot it kinda looks more like Chara is just trying to push him aside and get by him so he can get to the puck first.. but then again thats just a still shot so it doesnt really mean much.

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awesome pic, setting as my desktop.

thanks.

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You're making great on your purposeful effort to make people not hold you in very high regard.

...and you're giving him the attention he desires.

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Are you kidding? he clearly rode his face into the stanchion. If he wanted to rub him out, he could have forced him to the ice; but, instead he rides Pac's up and into the stanchion.

You're missing the point of my post. If what Chara did was so irreprehensible he should be suspended regardless of any resulting injury to Pacioretty. A suspension should not only be used to punish a violation of the rules but it should be used to discourage similar future behavior. This is hardly the case in the NHL because your suspension is determined not on your actions but the results of your actions. That's the rule, not the exception.

Now, are you upset about the hit or the injury? You should be agreeing with my original post if you are upset with the hit, which your posts in here seem to indicate.

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