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Chara's hit on Pacioretty

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Supposedly at noon. As informative and hilarious as the ethics class has been this afternoon... I'm ready for a verdict.

Like I said, it'll give us something more to argue about.

Too Long! Too Short! Just Right!

If it was at noon then we should have definitely heard something by now. Somehow I doubt that the meeting would still be going on. Probably got delayed.

And yes please! I'm ready for something of actual substance to discuss.

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I'm sorry. I just cannot. I need to show the same superior morals as Hockeytown_Ryan and the same class as him by pointing out the evils of posting action figure pictures on the internet. Those kind of things cannot be tolerated in this day and age. Every last one of them must be called out for the dicks that they really are. That's the classy and moral way to do it. The dark side bounds me no more!

I'll put $20 on 7.

Your right... I should kept my opinions to myself. But you take to much offense to opposing opinions. Calling you names?.. I am sorry for that.

I found that picture offensive. that is the truth. I watched that game LIVE as it happend, and it stuck with me. I was 13 yrs old and almost watched a guy die.

I understand you were not making light of it.. I also understand you care of nothing but yourself. I am not a perfect person and neither are you, we just have to agree to disagree

and leave it at that.

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I'd be shocked if Chara got anything more than 2 games.

I'd also be shocked if Chara got nothing.

We all know that he is going to get something because of the injury and he is not going to get nothing because of the injury. 2-3 is probably what we are going to be looking at.

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Darn. I really hope this doesn't end soon. It has a chance to rival the Nabokov thread in sheer dimwittedness and hilarity.....

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Your right... I should kept my opinions to myself. But you take to much offense to opposing opinions. Calling you names?.. I am sorry for that.

I found that picture offensive. that is the truth. I watched that game LIVE as it happend, and it stuck with me. I was 13 yrs old and almost watched a guy die.

I understand you were not making light of it.. I also understand you care of nothing but yourself. I am not a perfect person and neither are you, we just have to agree to disagree

and leave it at that.

We're still going on about this? I don't really care to derail this thread anymore. If you wish to continue to do so please PM me so I can ignore you there. Thanks!

Darn. I really hope this doesn't end soon. It has a chance to rival the Nabokov thread in sheer dimwittedness and hilarity.....

That sound like a...

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I honestly don't understand how anyone can defend Chara's hit. It was clearly interference, it was a bit late, the layout of a hockey rink is well known to Chara (it's not like that stantion should have been a surprise to Chara), the guy he hit is someone he's known to have a grudge against, oh and the other player has a broken neck and severe concussion.

Was this a 'hockey play'? NO. Late hits that result in a broken neck aren't 'good hockey plays'. How can anyone say that kind of hit belongs in hockey? Putting someone in the hospital with a late, reckless hit isn't something we want in our game. Rubbing a guy out along the boards is great-- put him through the glass if you'd like. But there's no room for driving someone into a stantion or the open doors of the bench. We all decried Lemieux for driving Draper into the open bench and this hit is no different. Avs fans probably said 'oh well it wouldn't have been so bad if the bench wasn't open'. Sound familiar?

Chara hit him and Chara is responsible for his own actions. It doesn't matter if he meant to injure the guy or not-- he made a late hit that resulted in a horrific injury. How can anyone say he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions?

Big deal if Chara misses 5 games. The other guy is missing a hell of a lot more than that and he certainly doesn't get to put the hit behind him after 5 games like Chara does. Max will need 2 or 3 months for the bone to heal then he'll need physical therapy and who know what else. There's even the possibility that his doctors tell him he can't risk playing hockey again.

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Darn. I really hope this doesn't end soon. It has a chance to rival the Nabokov thread in sheer dimwittedness and hilarity.....

And you're adding to it :lol:

;)

I honestly don't understand how anyone can defend Chara's hit. It was clearly interference, it was a bit late, the layout of a hockey rink is well known to Chara (it's not like that stantion should have been a surprise to Chara), the guy he hit is someone he's known to have a grudge against, oh and the other player has a broken neck and severe concussion.

Was this a 'hockey play'? NO. Late hits that result in a broken neck aren't 'good hockey plays'. How can anyone say that kind of hit belongs in hockey? Putting someone in the hospital with a late, reckless hit isn't something we want in our game. Rubbing a guy out along the boards is great-- put him through the glass if you'd like. But there's no room for driving someone into a stantion or the open doors of the bench. We all decried Lemieux for driving Draper into the open bench and this hit is no different. Avs fans probably said 'oh well it wouldn't have been so bad if the bench wasn't open'. Sound familiar?

Chara hit him and Chara is responsible for his own actions. It doesn't matter if he meant to injure the guy or not-- he made a late hit that resulted in a horrific injury. How can anyone say he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions?

Big deal if Chara misses 5 games. The other guy is missing a hell of a lot more than that and he certainly doesn't get to put the hit behind him after 5 games like Chara does. Max will need 2 or 3 months for the bone to heal then he'll need physical therapy and who know what else. There's even the possibility that his doctors tell him he can't risk playing hockey again.

Not to go off on an entirely different topic/subject...But just how many guys did ex-NHL'er, and HOF'er did Scott Stevens lay out cold?

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The usual on twitter are quiet about it too.

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I honestly don't understand how anyone can defend Chara's hit. It was clearly interference, it was a bit late, the layout of a hockey rink is well known to Chara (it's not like that stantion should have been a surprise to Chara), the guy he hit is someone he's known to have a grudge against, oh and the other player has a broken neck and severe concussion.

Was this a 'hockey play'? NO. Late hits that result in a broken neck aren't 'good hockey plays'. How can anyone say that kind of hit belongs in hockey? Putting someone in the hospital with a late, reckless hit isn't something we want in our game. Rubbing a guy out along the boards is great-- put him through the glass if you'd like. But there's no room for driving someone into a stantion or the open doors of the bench. We all decried Lemieux for driving Draper into the open bench and this hit is no different. Avs fans probably said 'oh well it wouldn't have been so bad if the bench wasn't open'. Sound familiar?

Chara hit him and Chara is responsible for his own actions. It doesn't matter if he meant to injure the guy or not-- he made a late hit that resulted in a horrific injury. How can anyone say he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions?

Big deal if Chara misses 5 games. The other guy is missing a hell of a lot more than that and he certainly doesn't get to put the hit behind him after 5 games like Chara does. Max will need 2 or 3 months for the bone to heal then he'll need physical therapy and who know what else. There's even the possibility that his doctors tell him he can't risk playing hockey again.

I agree with a lot of your points.. But I still don't think Chara deserves a very long suspension. Especially if you look at the trend just this year.. Gillies crushes a guy into the boards concussing him and then proceeds to beat him up, then stands on the ends of the ice after bing tossed from the game and taunst him while he tries to stand up.. and he gets 9 games..

Of course after those 9 games he comes back and immediately gets tossed for 10.. but thats not the point. From what I have seen in most cases the NHL relies a lot on yoru previous actions.. and at least to my knowledge Chara has never been really a dirty player at all..

I also see a lot of Canadians fans comparing it to the Bertuzzi hit and calling for an equal or longer suspension to Chara.. which is ridiculous.. Bertuzzi followed the guy around the ice clearly premeditated and then hit Moore. Chara was in the play and didnt want to get beat to the puck..

EDIT :Just read on twitter, no fine, no suspension for Chara.

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Chara hit him and Chara is responsible for his own actions. It doesn't matter if he meant to injure the guy or not-- he made a late hit that resulted in a horrific injury. How can anyone say he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions?

It does matter, A LOT. It doesn't make sense if you do the exact same thing to some other player but you get suspension just because this guy got severely injured. There are certain rules set in the game. Chara broke those rules; he interferenced a player who didn't have the puck. That's a two minute for interference.

To think that he (also knowing his history) intentionally tried to get Pacioretty's head injured is stupid. The game is fast. He was battling for the puck to prevent a chance going the other way.

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@NHLBruins

The NHL has informed the Bruins that there will be no fine and no suspension for Chara ^BB

No suspension. No fine. Wow.

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Let The NHL Bashing begin.

Officially no discipline for Chara. :scared:

Makes me think that the NHL saw it as an either all or nothing suspension. You either say the hit was OK and give him none or you say it was intentional and give him a long suspension..

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For those asking, here's statement from NHL's Mike Murphy who made the decision: "I conducted a hearing with Boston Bruins' defenseman Zdeno Chara with respect to the major penalty for interference and game misconduct that he was assessed at 19:44 of the second period for a hit on Max Pacioretty of the Montreal Canadiens.

“After a thorough review of the video I can find no basis to impose supplemental discipline. This hit resulted from a play that evolved and then happened very quickly -- with both players skating in the same direction and with Chara attempting to angle his opponent into the boards. I could not find any evidence to suggest that, beyond this being a correct call for interference, that Chara targeted the head of his opponent, left his feet or delivered the check in any other manner that could be deemed to be dangerous.

“This was a hockey play that resulted in an injury because of the player colliding with the stanchion and then the ice surface. In reviewing this play, I also took into consideration that Chara has not been involved in a supplemental discipline incident during his 13-year NHL career."

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Makes me think that the NHL saw it as an either all or nothing suspension. You either say the hit was OK and give him none or you say it was intentional and give him a long suspension..

Yup. They look at Chara's history and they see nothing outstanding, they don't believe he intended to hurt Pacioretty -- only to finish his check, see an unfortunate result... Done.

EDIT: Thanks for the Murphy quote.

I am surprised that because of the injury, Chara was not suspended... although I did say last night that all he was going to see was the 5 minutes and game misconduct.

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I think the conversation resulting this incident shouldn't be about players' respect towards each other or something like that. It should be about the way the rinks are built. There should be some kind of curve in the stanchion or no stanchion like that at all (if it's even possible). I mean, the way it's now it's dangerous as hell. If there would be a curve there that would continue outside the rink the contact wouldn't be as nearly as hard and lethal as it is now.

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I think the only real solution to come out of all of this nonsense should be that obviously they need to do someothing more about the stantion than the like 3 inches of foam they have on it now.. at the speed this game is played at now it was only a matter of time because someone got seriously hurt from hitting one.

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New buzzword: intent.

"What do you mean I'm getting called for tripping? I didn't intend to trip him!"

"High-sticking? I didn't intend for my stick to hit him in the face and I certainly didn't intend for him to bleed!"

And so on...

(Note: I actually sort of agree with the NHL on this one, since the intent didn't seem to be there and it was just a wrong place, wrong time kind of play.)

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@downgoesbrown:

Think I feel the same about the Chara ruling as I did on Cooke: hate the hit, hate the result, but under the rules it may be the right call.

@buccigross:

David Steckle interfered with Sid Crosby and might have knocked him out for the year. And I didn't think he should have been suspended

@tsnbobmckenzie:

I am surprised to the extent that it was an illegal play (interference) causing injury and that usually results in a 1 to 4 game suspension.

But I recognized at the time many in hockey view it as a hockey play gone wrong with an absence of malice. Should have been 2 games, IMO.

And outside of any comments I make on TSN tonight - I will be on SC and NHL on TSN - I'm not engaging in Twitter war with anyone. Take care.

Oh come on, Bob!!

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He scores points so he's allowed to crush people's mellons into the stantion. See Pronger Rule.

esteef

Usually we see eye-to-eye on many issues, but I gotta say I disagree with ya here.

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New buzzword: intent.

"What do you mean I'm getting called for tripping? I didn't intend to trip him!"

"High-sticking? I didn't intend for my stick to hit him in the face and I certainly didn't intend for him to bleed!"

And so on...

(Note: I actually sort of agree with the NHL on this one, since the intent didn't seem to be there and it was just a wrong place, wrong time kind of play.)

Well now you got it all wrong. There's a rule for tripping and high-sticking. Just like there's a rule for interference. Chara interferenced so he did deserve a penalty based on that, whether it was intentional or not. The injury resulting has nothing to do with it, because there was nothing else that broke the rules in that contact except the interference.

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