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#41 VM1138

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 10:56 AM

Phoenix is sort of like Nashville now, always doing a bit better than they really have any right to. I know it's sad that they'll have to move to Winnipeg, but it'll work out for them. They've put together a good team, now imagine playing in front of a cheering crowd every night!
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Posted 21 April 2011 - 11:29 AM

Well played season and playoffs to the Yotes. :clap: :clap:

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 12:10 PM

Phoenix is sort of like Nashville now, always doing a bit better than they really have any right to. I know it's sad that they'll have to move to Winnipeg, but it'll work out for them. They've put together a good team, now imagine playing in front of a cheering crowd every night!

Seemed to work for the Hawks.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 12:14 PM

The Yotes, Tippett and their fans can all SUCK IT.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 12:57 PM

To be fair, Helm's switch has been flipped for quite some time now. I am just a true "hater" of the "flipping the switch" thing. Helm had some fire in him this series and he let his play do the talking. Absolutely, positively has become one of my favorite players on this team. He carries himself the right way for the organization and I truly see him just elevating to heights we may not have thought he could get to. Jovanovski was completely messed up since the shoulder and tried to outmuscle or yap his jaw for no inherent reason other than proving that Helm was just outright better than most of his guys.

Just my 2 cents, great series boys and yes, flawless is close aside from some dumb penalties. Keep rollin' boys!

Agreed.

OK - bit of a detour with this thread...Here goes...Am I the only one, or does anyone else feel Helm just might make a good replacement for Lidstrom as the "C" of our beloved Detroit Red Wings in a few years once Nick hangs 'em up (or whenever that may be)?...Mind you I'm looking not only at his play on the ice, but his age, off ice habits (which I've heard are good), and his increased role on the team.

Nothing against Hank, or Dats, but IMHO both are approaching the back-half of their careers (Hank more so), and I'm of the opinion that Helm has many of the attributes that embody what the Detroit Red Wings, the Ilitch family, Holland, Devellano, Yzerman, Lidstrom, etc, etc are all about.

Honestly I don't think it'll happen due to loyalty; I'm thinking either Hank, or Dats will wear the "C" once Lids retires...Just some some food for thought...Any opinions?

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 01:21 PM

Nothing against Hank, or Dats, but IMHO both are approaching the back-half of their careers (Hank more so), and I'm of the opinion that Helm has many of the attributes that embody what the Detroit Red Wings, the Ilitch family, Holland, Devellano, Yzerman, Lidstrom, etc, etc are all about.

Honestly I don't think it'll happen due to loyalty; I'm thinking either Hank, or Dats will wear the "C" once Lids retires...Just some some food for thought...Any opinions?

I have felt for quite some time now that it will be Hank (go figurePosted Image) to don the "C" that fateful day once Nick hangs them up. But yes, he isn't getting younger and neither is Pash. Helm would be a great choice for an "A" here pretty soon but I do believe that we need to take Kronner into consideration too. This was in the freep today actually about Kronner just stepping up in the room and being more vocal. Helm would be the more quiet, cool leader but we also don't know what he carries in that room. To me his play and all out effort like every shift is his last is what separates into a very elite group. I don't want people to kill me for this but as far as effort is in the league, Helm is in the top 10. The excitement as I have presented in other posts doesn't exactly accent the type of guy we have here.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 01:46 PM

I have felt for quite some time now that it will be Hank (go figurePosted Image) to don the "C" that fateful day once Nick hangs them up. But yes, he isn't getting younger and neither is Pash. Helm would be a great choice for an "A" here pretty soon but I do believe that we need to take Kronner into consideration too. This was in the freep today actually about Kronner just stepping up in the room and being more vocal. Helm would be the more quiet, cool leader but we also don't know what he carries in that room. To me his play and all out effort like every shift is his last is what separates into a very elite group. I don't want people to kill me for this but as far as effort is in the league, Helm is in the top 10. The excitement as I have presented in other posts doesn't exactly accent the type of guy we have here.

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Yeah - with so many respectable vets in the locker room it's hard to say where Helm lies in the thick of things...His play/demeanor suggest as though he would be highly thought of by his peers; there's no "rah rah rah" from Helm, but a quiet nature, professionalism, and 100% effort given every night has earned alot of respect amongst us fans.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 02:59 PM

I really feel for the coyotes players/coaches/trainers/etc.

What a terrible last couple of seasons w/ the whole moving debacle. To play through all that, let alone get to the playoffs, take the wings to 7 games one year, only to get swept the next while the moving thing REALLY gets into full swing. It had to be a very very hard season, and winning was one way to keep their mind off of it, if thats even possible.

So my hats off to the players for battling through all that bulls*** and being professionals. even doan. I hate to play against that guy, but what a good hard working, determined, gritty player. Great teammate on the ice for sure.



but for jovo, he can f*** himself.


do you know how s***ty it would be to be playing a winter sport inf****** phoenix? You wear shorts and sandals to practices and games, love the weather, its beautful.... you are like "f*** yeah, this is awesome!" Sign a nice contract extension...... then find out that you're moving to an ice box (potentially). What a kick in the balls.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 03:01 PM

Nice to see that the Red Wings have douchey fans like any other team. It makes us oh, so much more human.

Do you kids not understand the concept of "sportsmanship"? It means not kicking someone when they're down. Sure, you can have an opinion against the Yotes, but that's what the other threads on the board are for.

This is about winning with respect and dignity, which our team commanded throughout the series, and we are now extending to our erstwhile adversaries.

Embarrassing that some kids nowadays have been taught no manners, dignity, grace, or class.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 03:19 PM

I really feel for the coyotes players/coaches/trainers/etc.

What a terrible last couple of seasons w/ the whole moving debacle. To play through all that, let alone get to the playoffs, take the wings to 7 games one year, only to get swept the next while the moving thing REALLY gets into full swing. It had to be a very very hard season, and winning was one way to keep their mind off of it, if thats even possible.

So my hats off to the players for battling through all that bulls*** and being professionals. even doan. I hate to play against that guy, but what a good hard working, determined, gritty player. Great teammate on the ice for sure.



but for jovo, he can f*** himself.


do you know how s***ty it would be to be playing a winter sport inf****** phoenix? You wear shorts and sandals to practices and games, love the weather, its beautful.... you are like "f*** yeah, this is awesome!" Sign a nice contract extension...... then find out that you're moving to an ice box (potentially). What a kick in the balls.


I came on to say something akin to this myself. The situation in Phoenix is one that I think we all kinda take for granted. Detroit has a phenomenal ownership situation and I can't even begin to imagine how difficult it had to have been with the players trying to focus on the game when the state of the entire franchise was and is still in question.

Despite that, they still pushed to make the playoffs and even if people disagree that they were working hard in the series - they never rolled over and let us walk all over them. Much respect for fighting both the adversity against a team like Detroit AND the management.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 03:59 PM

I may be one of the few people who can empathize completely with the Phoenix Coyote fans. You see, I'm a Cleveland Browns fan. Don't ask how it happened growing up in Ortonville Michigan, it just did. Now there are obvious differences. The Browns were drawing 75,000 people at LEAST a game. Attendance/apathy wasn't the issue, it was the owner signing a horrible deal he refused to honor. He thought it was the best thing since sliced bread until he got a few years into it and the economics changed. Secondly the Browns move was rather sudden whereas the Coyotes have been rumored somewhere for a long time.

Still, I remember how it hurt. I felt gutshot. Just AWFUL. A very good friend of mine who was a producer for NBC got me tickets to the Sunday game previous to the announcement. Good seats at the Silverdome for the Lions and Browns (Barry ran wild against my Brownies if you're wondering). Our NBC seat entrance was where the bigwigs came in. I literally bumped into Art Modell on our way down the tunnel. We both excused ourselves but I was like WHOA, the owner of my team. It wasn't three days later that son-of-a-***** announced the move. Ohhhhhhhhh if I'd known then what I know now, but I digress.

The remaining team that moved won the Super Bowl in Baltimore like 4 years later with a few of those old Browns which just made it all the worse.

I know there are quite a few real die hard Coyote fans. I know they're not in the numbers of Wings fans or Canadiens fans or even Devils fans but they love their team. They can't wait to watch them just like we can't wait to watch the Wings. They love a Saturday night game while tipping a cold beer. They love wearing the team sweater and think Shane Doan is the greatest captain ever.

It was made fairly apparent after Modell kicked the Browns fan base and the city of Cleveland in the family jewels that during the next NFL expansion the Browns were coming back in under new ownership. They fought in court and kept the old colors and team records and won them as part of a concession finally allowing Modell to pack the team. That's not going to happen for Phoenix. They're not in line to probably ever get an NHL team again. And for that I feel really bad for Coyotes fans.

No, you don't just keep cheering for the old team. Emotionally it's just not that easy. I can be a pretty arrogant Wings fan and love to horse around in jest with the Photoshop thread but I do feel for them. Maybe the U of A or ASU could start a college hockey program, it'd be something.

Edited by Jersey Wing, 21 April 2011 - 03:59 PM.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 04:11 PM

Seeing the fans in tears, my first thought was, "If the team means that much to you, where were you the last 15 years?"

Edit: That sounds mean, but great season Coyotes.

I think being in Glendale was their undoing. I have no idea why they got out of downtown and didn't share an arena with the Suns.

Now Glendale will have an empty arena.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 05:37 PM

Seeing the fans in tears, my first thought was, "If the team means that much to you, where were you the last 15 years?"

Edit: That sounds mean, but great season Coyotes.

I think being in Glendale was their undoing. I have no idea why they got out of downtown and didn't share an arena with the Suns.

Now Glendale will have an empty arena.


yes and no. Im sure phoenix had some diehard fans, and for them it truly sucks. I would LOVE to move to the greater phoenix area, and then be able to see hockey, too? f*** yeah, sign me up. If i moved there, i'd definitely support the team as much as i could (secondly only to the wings of course).

So yes, for those fans, i feel bad for them.

As for the rest of the fans..... well.... if they had them, the coyotes wouldnt be in the position they are in.


All this, of course, is assuming that they ARE being relocated.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 06:25 PM

The fans should be proud of their team, the Yotes definitely played a great series and have done an amazing job with improving themselves over the past few years. I really wish the best to them no matter what happens, and I hope all their issues get sorted out soon. Congrats, Coyotes! :clap:

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 07:10 PM

Nice to see that the Red Wings have douchey fans like any other team. It makes us oh, so much more human.

Do you kids not understand the concept of "sportsmanship"? It means not kicking someone when they're down. Sure, you can have an opinion against the Yotes, but that's what the other threads on the board are for.

This is about winning with respect and dignity, which our team commanded throughout the series, and we are now extending to our erstwhile adversaries.

Embarrassing that some kids nowadays have been taught no manners, dignity, grace, or class.


Oh come on, get off your high horse. What makes you think they'd have said the same about us? At the end of the day, hockey is about winning and showing no mercy to your opponent. Do you think if they carried this "I'm sorry about their teams status" mentality they would have won 4 straight games? f*** no they could care less. Sportsmanship and respect is shaking your opponents hand after a series, not this sappy "good job for battling through some hard times" GUESS WHAT they're getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for this! they have their fans to feel sorry them, and that is more than enough.
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Posted 21 April 2011 - 08:13 PM

This topic was merged with another one that said we should be proud of the Coyotes, so some posts might seem a little more "douchey" than others. Still, I don't feel like congratulating the Coyotes on being swept. I would congratulate the Jets for having fans that would likely show up for their games, though. I'm pretty sure their fans in Winnipeg would be more than appreciative of having an NHL team there again.

Edited by Shoreline, 21 April 2011 - 08:16 PM.


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Posted 21 April 2011 - 08:15 PM

This topic was merged with another one that said we should be proud of the Coyotes, so some posts might seem a little more "douchey" than others. Still, I don't feel like congratulating the Coyotes on being swept. I would congratulate the Jets for having fans that would likely show up for their games, though.


The Jets had less fans going to their games than the Coyotes do/did.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 08:23 PM

The Jets had less fans going to their games than the Coyotes do/did.

That's due to Winnipeg having 1/8th the population of the Phoenix region, further emphasizing how nonsensical it is for the justification of an NHL team remaining in Arizona. Winnipeg also didn't have the benefit of a salary cap and revenue sharing. Add onto that one US dollar was also roughly $1.50 Canadian (now $0.98). Winnipeg would do much better, and obviously be much more appreciative of an NHL team.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 08:29 PM

I would also like to point out that Phoenix may have had a few hundred more people in the seats, but since the Winnipeg arena could fit a few thousand less people, that means Winnipeg's capacity was more full than Phoenix. Again, no justification for Coyotes fans not showing up.

Edited by Shoreline, 21 April 2011 - 08:32 PM.


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Posted 21 April 2011 - 08:49 PM

Nice to see that the Red Wings have douchey fans like any other team. It makes us oh, so much more human.

Do you kids not understand the concept of "sportsmanship"?

Yeah, it's great when you are dealing with children. We're talking professional athletes. There's no "Participation" ribbon in the NHL. Yes, they tried really hard and had a s***ty ownership cloud over their head. Sucks. Then they got swept. By a team they took to 7 last year. Honestly, I'm not sure I am sure of what I should be congratulating them for? Trying hard while being paid tons of money to play hockey, but failing to do it well?

I have no issue with humility- as I said, they played hard. But that's also their job.
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