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#61 Dave

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:15 PM

I stand corrected?? It is totally not clear in the CBA that it stands that way.
Read the bolded. Doesn't that read to you the team can still walk away?

12.6. Walk-Away Rights.

(a) If a Club has elected to arbitrate a one year contract,
and the award issued is for $550,000 or more per annum, then the
Club may, within 72 hours after the award of the Arbitrator is
issued
(or if a Club has any other player still eligible for
salary arbitration at that time and for whom a decision has not
been rendered by an Arbitrator at that time, and the Club still
has a walk-away right available to it in such League Year
pursuant to paragraph (d) below, 72 hours after the award of the
Arbitrator for such other player is issued), notify the player,
the NHLPA and the NHL in writing that it does not intend to
tender to the player a Player Contract based on the award as
determined by the Arbitrator.
Upon receipt of that notice, the
player shall automatically be deemed to be an Unrestricted Free
Agent, subject to the provisions of paragraphs © and (d) below.


For the record, I'm not saying that the club can't walk away... I'd love some clarity.


It looks pretty clear to me that Nashville can walk away. However, they still have 15.6 mil of cap space available and walking away would be retarded. I think Nashville was just trying to get Weber on the cheap, which backfired (still they did save 1 million).

Oops. I though the 15.6 million was without signing Weber, but that's WITH Weber. I couldn't imagine if the Wings had that kind of cap space.

Edited by Dave, 03 August 2011 - 03:24 PM.


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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:16 PM

http://www.nhl.com/i...od-rr-headlines

its all over. well we can always make a stab at him next year (though theyll prolly just take him to arb again), or go for suter. 7.5 mill is alot of money

Edited by number9, 03 August 2011 - 03:20 PM.


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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:29 PM

http://www.nhl.com/i...od-rr-headlines

its all over. well we can always make a stab at him next year (though theyll prolly just take him to arb again), or go for suter. 7.5 mill is alot of money

My guess is that they lock him up long term before the deadline, or trade him for a RANSOM at the deadline... one way or another, he will never see FA or arbitration again... if they took him to arbitration again, I'm sure the NHLPA could file a grievance and would probably win since he'll be so close to 27 and it's such an extenuating circumstance...

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:33 PM

Interesting. Everything I had seen said they could walk, but someone posted an NHL.com article saying they couldn't since the team brought it. This makes it look like they can walk. Don't think they will, especially now they are cap compliant.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:33 PM

My guess is that they lock him up long term before the deadline, or trade him for a RANSOM at the deadline... one way or another, he will never see FA or arbitration again... if they took him to arbitration again, I'm sure the NHLPA could file a grievance and would probably win since he'll be so close to 27 and it's such an extenuating circumstance...


To my understanding the team cannot take him to arbitration again as they have already done so. Weber could take them to arbitration however if he wanted. At that point the team could elect to walk away from the offer.

As for if he can walk away or not this year it is a little confusing, I would however think that the article on NHL.com is written by people who know what they are doing and thus the team has no way to walk away. Lets be honest even if they could they wouldn't anyway's. Not to mention no article has even mentioned the possibility of walking away that I have seen.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:35 PM

My guess is that they lock him up long term before the deadline, or trade him for a RANSOM at the deadline... one way or another, he will never see FA or arbitration again... if they took him to arbitration again, I'm sure the NHLPA could file a grievance and would probably win since he'll be so close to 27 and it's such an extenuating circumstance...

As far as I know, they could only take him to arbitration once.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:42 PM

I am an idiot. They cannot walk. If I would have read all the way through the section.

I downloaded the entire CBA. It states in section

12.10 (e) No Club shall be entitled to walk away from any award in a Club-elected salary arbitration.

Guess it couldn't be more clear. If only I read the whole thing. My bad. :blush:
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:43 PM

It looks pretty clear to me that Nashville can walk away.


Wrong. You're not looking at the section that deals with team-requested arbitration.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:48 PM

As far as I know, they could only take him to arbitration once.

Well then, there you go, even further reason why he'll never see arbitration again... like I said, he will either be locked up long term, or dealt (for a ransom) by the deadline...

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


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Posted 03 August 2011 - 03:57 PM

Some reports are that weber is likely to be traded.
http://aol.sportingn...ville-predators

Edited by tommyt, 03 August 2011 - 03:58 PM.


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Posted 03 August 2011 - 04:00 PM

Some reports are that weber is likely to be traded.
http://aol.sportingn...ville-predators

It just says one NHL executive thinks that is what they should do.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 04:06 PM

i dont think id want weber for 7.5 mil, thou itd be nice to have him play with lids. this deal kinda makes me think that kronners and stewies asking prices are gonna go wayyyyyyy up next summer *gulp*

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 04:28 PM

http://www.nhl.com/i...od-rr-headlines

its all over. well we can always make a stab at him next year (though theyll prolly just take him to arb again), or go for suter. 7.5 mill is alot of money

This part of the article blows my mind.

Weber, who earned $4.5 million last season, when he was a finalist for the Norris Trophy, reportedly asked for an $8.5 million reward while the Predators countered at $4.75 million.


Unless the term was 15 years or something, they might as well just offered a bag of pucks. It would have been equally insulting.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 04:36 PM

Some reports are that weber is likely to be traded.
http://aol.sportingn...ville-predators


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Posted 03 August 2011 - 05:24 PM

i dont think id want weber for 7.5 mil, thou itd be nice to have him play with lids. this deal kinda makes me think that kronners and stewies asking prices are gonna go wayyyyyyy up next summer *gulp*

id take him for 8 and under. he is on another level to kronner and stuart. I see them getting up to 5mill but weber is the best young dman in the league and runner up for norris. if u want a lidstrom replacement - this is it.

Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 03 August 2011 - 05:25 PM

This part of the article blows my mind.



Unless the term was 15 years or something, they might as well just offered a bag of pucks. It would have been equally insulting.

He's gone from Nashville soon. If I was him I'd be LIVID with Polte.

Edited by IllinoisRedWingsFan, 03 August 2011 - 05:26 PM.


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Posted 03 August 2011 - 05:26 PM

This part of the article blows my mind.



Unless the term was 15 years or something, they might as well just offered a bag of pucks. It would have been equally insulting.


what's insulting about countering a high ball with a low ball? they were probably trying to get the number somewhere in between but the judge seems to have gone more towards weber's number

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 05:33 PM

I think Nashville was just trying to get Weber on the cheap, which backfired (still they did save 1 million).


No they didn't. Do you not know how negotiating works? You always start out with a high number so you have room for negotiations. An 8.5 starting point likely means he was hoping for somewhere between around 6-7.5. They are most likely paying more for him with this arbitration verdict than he was even expecting to get through negotiations.

Edited by sleepwalker, 03 August 2011 - 05:34 PM.


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Posted 03 August 2011 - 05:45 PM

id take him for 8 and under. he is on another level to kronner and stuart. I see them getting up to 5mill but weber is the best young dman in the league and runner up for norris. if u want a lidstrom replacement - this is it.


Definitely a #1 defenseman. But I don't think of him as a Lidstrom replacement. However, he'd probably be the closest the Wings ever get to getting another Konstantinov.

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 06:30 PM

Definitely a #1 defenseman. But I don't think of him as a Lidstrom replacement. However, he'd probably be the closest the Wings ever get to getting another Konstantinov.


they don't make 'em like that anymore. :(
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