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[Motown4013]

I have never been high on Tatar, Kindl, Mursak. Axelsson had some really great tools but lacks work ethic, discipline and skating.

Despite Smith, Nyquist there is not much guaranteed NHL quality in the minors sad but true.

I think we have some good young talent..both Oulette and Paterson are playing for Canada, Frk and Faska as Propects for the Czechs. I know we are a ways away but right now Tatar, Nyqvist, Smith could be playing up here if we were a weaker team. There with a few guys ( Jurco, Lashoff and Mrazek) I can see here in the next 2-3 years.

[amato]

I think we have some good young talent..both Oulette and Paterson are playing for Canada, Frk and Faska as Propects for the Czechs. I know we are a ways away but right now Tatar, Nyqvist, Smith could be playing up here if we were a weaker team. There with a few guys ( Jurco, Lashoff and Mrazek) I can see here in the next 2-3 years.

aside from nyqvist and smith, who i cannot wait to see up full time....

jurco is going to be incredible. before we got him, i was looking over the prospects hoping we'd pick him.. so glad we did. I just hope he gets a year up with pavel still in the line up to mentor him a little. also, i think mursak (given a chance) might surprise a lot of people.

edit: mursak given a chance on a scoring line**

Edited by amato, 22 December 2012 - 01:17 PM.

[The Axe]

aside from nyqvist and smith, who i cannot wait to see up full time....

jurco is going to be incredible. before we got him, i was looking over the prospects hoping we'd pick him.. so glad we did. I just hope he gets a year up with pavel still in the line up to mentor him a little. also, i think mursak (given a chance) might surprise a lot of people.

edit: mursak given a chance on a scoring line**

Thats just it. Our forward prospects are all trash if you take z and pavs out of the equation. Thats what scares me. We havent had a zetterberg or datsyuk show up in our system for quite some time.

[Rivalred]

Thats just it. Our forward prospects are all trash if you take z and pavs out of the equation. Thats what scares me. We havent had a zetterberg or datsyuk show up in our system for quite some time.

So there may be some growing pains and they will have to build through the draft

[GMRwings1983]

So I'm the only person here who still thinks McCollum could win the Vezina?

[rick zombo]

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So I'm the only person here who still thinks McCollum could win the Vezina?

Not sure if you're serious? I actually haven't given up on McCollum yet.

[amato]

So I'm the only person here who still thinks McCollum could win the Vezina?

not sure if you're serious either.. but i don't know, I was at the one game that McCollum played for the wings.... not saying that it's as good as he'll get, but that game was painful to watch.

[rick zombo]

not sure if you're serious either.. but i don't know, I was at the one game that McCollum played for the wings.... not saying that it's as good as he'll get, but that game was painful to watch.

And Howard was something like 0-5 in his first bunch of call-up games with the Wings.

Listen, I'm not saying we're ever going to see McCollum establish himself as an NHL regular, but he's playing really well in GR right now (check out the 31 save 2-1 shoot out win on the weekend) and I'm not ready to throw him under the zamboni just yet.

Also, since we're talking about prospects, it's worth pointing out that Ferraro (finally healthy) is 4th in GR scoring, only 5 points back of Nyquist. He kills penalties like a mad-man too. He and Andersson have Red Wings written all over them. Super cheap future 3rd liners.

I think the problem with Detroit's prospects is that there are very very few elite players knocking on the door. This maybe the source of most of the LGW cynicism.

[amato]

And Howard was something like 0-5 in his first bunch of call-up games with the Wings.

Listen, I'm not saying we're ever going to see McCollum establish himself as an NHL regular, but he's playing really well in GR right now (check out the 31 save 2-1 shoot out win on the weekend) and I'm not ready to throw him under the zamboni just yet.

Also, since we're talking about prospects, it's worth pointing out that Ferraro (finally healthy) is 4th in GR scoring, only 5 points back of Nyquist. He kills penalties like a mad-man too. He and Andersson have Red Wings written all over them. Super cheap future 3rd liners.

I think the problem with Detroit's prospects is that there are very very few elite players knocking on the door. This maybe the source of most of the LGW cynicism.

yeah, i know.. i wasn't saying that he's going to suck because of it. it just hurt haha but yeah, we have good prospects but not elite prospects (other than smith and maybe nyq) but i think our future will be just fine.

[rick zombo]

yeah, i know.. i wasn't saying that he's going to suck because of it. it just hurt haha but yeah, we have good prospects but not elite prospects (other than smith and maybe nyq) but i think our future will be just fine.

Yup. And then there's Jarnkrok. I'll stick my neck out and guarantee that he's at least a 2nd line centre in 2-3 years.

[Motown4013]

not sure if you're serious either.. but i don't know, I was at the one game that McCollum played for the wings.... not saying that it's as good as he'll get, but that game was painful to watch.

That was on the organization...and bad luck. There is no F'n way he should have been called up. He wasnt prepared...he was nervous.It was a set back and it really hurt him and his confidence. I have seen this kid at Training Camp and he looks solid there. Goalies really dont flourish until mid to late 20's so im not worried. Howard was average in GR....so I wouldnt throw in the towel on him yet.

[The Axe]

And Howard was something like 0-5 in his first bunch of call-up games with the Wings.

Listen, I'm not saying we're ever going to see McCollum establish himself as an NHL regular, but he's playing really well in GR right now (check out the 31 save 2-1 shoot out win on the weekend) and I'm not ready to throw him under the zamboni just yet.

Also, since we're talking about prospects, it's worth pointing out that Ferraro (finally healthy) is 4th in GR scoring, only 5 points back of Nyquist. He kills penalties like a mad-man too. He and Andersson have Red Wings written all over them. Super cheap future 3rd liners.

I think the problem with Detroit's prospects is that there are very very few elite players knocking on the door. This maybe the source of most of the LGW cynicism.

Well said.

[Crymson]

And Howard was something like 0-5 in his first bunch of call-up games with the Wings.

Howard won one of his first three games with the Wings; he played these three in the '05-'06 season. In 2008, he was called up to play behind an injury ravaged defense. Despite facing an absurd number of shots per game, he still gave the team the chance to win each time. You're making it seem as if he sucked it up in his initial times in the NHL, and that's just not true.

[frankgrimes]

And Howard was something like 0-5 in his first bunch of call-up games with the Wings.

Listen, I'm not saying we're ever going to see McCollum establish himself as an NHL regular, but he's playing really well in GR right now (check out the 31 save 2-1 shoot out win on the weekend) and I'm not ready to throw him under the zamboni just yet.

Also, since we're talking about prospects, it's worth pointing out that Ferraro (finally healthy) is 4th in GR scoring, only 5 points back of Nyquist. He kills penalties like a mad-man too. He and Andersson have Red Wings written all over them. Super cheap future 3rd liners.

I think the problem with Detroit's prospects is that there are very very few elite players knocking on the door. This maybe the source of most of the LGW cynicism.

I agree, thats why I've have mentioned Smith and Nyquist before everone else. Both these guys are going to be at least for sure NHLers most of the other guys like Jarnkrok, Jurco and even Tatar are your typical late round b or b type of prospects.

I am hardly worried about our goaltending, the Monster given a real chance will surprise a lot of people if Howard struggles. Not giving up on McCollum yet, even if he just becomes a backup having a reliable backup is hardly a bad thing.

but yeah despite S & N Holland will need to build through draft and UFAs soon.

[The Axe]

Howard won one of his first three games with the Wings; he played these three in the '05-'06 season. In 2008, he was called up to play behind an injury ravaged defense. Despite facing an absurd number of shots per game, he still gave the team the chance to win each time. You're making it seem as if he sucked it up in his initial times in the NHL, and that's just not true.

He is average. He's always been average.

[rick zombo]

He is average. He's always been average.

Harsh. I think you're trying to stir the pot.

But I'll bite because my counter is in line with this thread's topic.

Howard is above average. Maybe even great at some point. But he's not elite. And he was never an elite prospect. Neither are Smith and Nyquist, or any players below them on the prospect depth chart. But then again, who's to say how any of these guys will turn out.

Was Yzerman the last Wings superstar that was "supposed" to be a superstar, according to draft rank?

Edited by rick zombo, 25 December 2012 - 08:02 PM.

[Motown4013]

He is average. He's always been average.

Its hard to be average (when healthy), you are consistantly at the top of the game
GAA-
2011- 6th
2010- 5th

Hiller is average, Vokoun is average, Giguere is average. Jimmy is a very solid goalie.....

[Andy Pred 48]

Alexei Marchenko will be on the roster by 2014/15 season. Playing with Pasha at CSKA this year the steady young blueliner is starting to find his feet in the KHL and is getting more ice time because of
it. A R/H shot as well which the Wings lack at the back, looks like he could be another late round steal by the Wings scouting system.

[haroldsnepsts]

Harsh. I think you're trying to stir the pot.

But I'll bite because my counter is in line with this thread's topic.

Howard is above average. Maybe even great at some point. But he's not elite. And he was never an elite prospect. Neither are Smith and Nyquist, or any players below them on the prospect depth chart. But then again, who's to say how any of these guys will turn out.

Was Yzerman the last Wings superstar that was "supposed" to be a superstar, according to draft rank?

In the end I don't think he was a superstar but Keith Primeau was drafted 3rd overall in 1990 and expectations were high.

Looking back it's crazy to think that Central Scouting didn't even rank European players as late as 1990. Jagr was unranked in that draft and went 5th overall. The anti-euro bias was real and went on much later than a lot of people think.

[Rivalred]

Alexei Marchenko will be on the roster by 2014/15 season. Playing with Pasha at CSKA this year the steady young blueliner is starting to find his feet in the KHL and is getting more ice time because of
it. A R/H shot as well which the Wings lack at the back, looks like he could be another late round steal by the Wings scouting system.

Aren't health concerns a factor for him?