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#341 Marty Barry

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:08 PM

Is tweeting from inside the negotiations? 



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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

It should be noted that in '94 Fehr thought a deal was going to be done but one player spread the optimism around and the MLB owners ditched their offer and wanted more from the MLBPA. Deal not reached, World Series cancelled. I suppose that Fehr has experience in that he won't let the players in the meetings spread anything that doesn't end with "still ways to go". When you consider how every single player seems to say the same stuff, I'd say 1 or 2 players involved in the negotiation use their own words to tell other players, and then those players tell the media, so it's essentially all the same source: that one guy. 

 

 

Is tweeting from inside the negotiations? 

 

 

 

No, the players involved in the negotiations spread the news around to other  players, and then they tell the reporters about it and that's how the news come about.

 

 

 

 

One Devils player: "I'm hearing (lockout is over). I'm ready to go, but I'll believe it when I see it... I'm just waiting for the call."

 

 

Told more players will be joining the negotiation process. #TSN

 

Lance Hornby ‏@sunhornby

An NHL exec lamented to me the problem all 30 teams now have with CBA looking more favourable: "We don't know where half our players are."

 

 

#CBA 48-hour window on NHLPA voting to authorize the executive board the right to file a disclaimer of interest expires at 6 p.m.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:17 PM

McKenzie sums it up the best:

 

 

 

3 things to remember: 1. Until whole deal is done, none of it is done. 2. I'm cautiously, VERY cautiously, optimistic. 3. Re-read No. 1.                    



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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=412860 - good article


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:49 PM

Told this has potential to be marathon session tonight... We shall see

 

Was a marathon session in '05, as well as the NBA in 2011.

 

 

 

Repeat, the CBA is not done. Just hearing that they've agreed on the number of years 10-years with opt out after Year 8.

 

 

Someone who I feel has "sense" of where things are just told me: "There's a bit of frenzy going on now that may not be entirely justified."

 

 

Person wasn't being negative, just noting there seems to be a runaway train of optimism that may be a little excessive. Food for thought.

 

 

The NHLPA's second "disclaimer of interest" comes with a deadline. Still not clear when that is.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:53 PM

Thanks to all the tweeters for keeping us non tweeters updated.  *fingers crossed*



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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:59 PM

Nick Kypreos and John Shannon don't believe deal will be made tonight. tomorrow more realistic IF disclaimer not filed.

 

 

The PA vote has concluded. We can safely assume the executive board is now authorized to disclaim interest.

 

 

With talks progressing, it seems unlikely the PA would disclaim immediately. Players have leverage with league knowing it is an option.

 

 

 

Talks are continuing with no signif pause for now. We think that's good. #NHL

 

 

 

Towels are still an issue that remain unsolved.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 07:14 PM

Told that NHL finally moved off $60 M year 2 cap, however, still not enough for players..

 

 

The league and the union have now bean speaking for six hours. Looks like long night ahead of negotiations. #NHL #NHLPA

 

 

 

Issues remain:

 

Cap (NHL at 63, NHLPA at 65- Nick Kypreos reports)

 

Variance 

 

Max contracts: NHLPA at 7/7, NHL at 6/7

 

Bad towels

 

Minimum salary at year 9 of CBA

 

CBA duration: League at 10, opt out after 8, NHLPA at opt out after 7.

 

 

Lot's to be done.

 

 

 

A $2M gap on cap for one year of eight- to 10-year CBA is silly, especially when players are limited to 50% of HRR no matter what cap is.

 

Players willing to keep cap floor at $44 M for Year 2 cap even with higher upper limit

 

 

Bill Daly on mediator: "Obviously Scot has been helpful to the process and in helping construct a framework where progress can be made (1/2)

 

 

Daly cont: "Parties are still working hard. That has to be a positive." (2/2)

 

 

Source tells me that from a series of meetings & a string of bargaining sessions today there has been movement but it's been slow progress.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 07:53 PM

Told NHLPA has moved on the salary cap to 64.3 which happens to be the upper limit from last year. #TSN

 

(Aaron Ward)

 

 

Daly in email: "We hope to continue meeting to resolve as many open issues as we possibly can in pursuit of an agreement." #nhl

 

No better source than Daly.

 

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN

Sources on both sides see Monday as likely date when all is settled. But could be late Sunday, as well

 

 

Vegas has it at 12 AM ET on Sunday night. I'll pick the over. If all goes well, I see the NHL playing 50 game sked that starts on Tuesday Jan 15. 5 against each division rival, 3 against every other conf team. Who wants to see 7 Red Wings vs Blue Jackets games?


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:19 PM

Michael Russo‏@Russostrib https://twitter.com/....29212536811520

BREAKING #mnwild news: Mikael Granlund pulled from #Aeros lineup after warmups;Wild doesn't want to risk injury in case #nhl camp on horizon

 

 

 

 

Somebody better call CSKA Moscow right now. Won't forgive them if something happens.....


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:56 PM

Doesn't sound like a deal gets done tonight, but the negotiations will be back on tomorrow, likely with the mediator still in tow

 

 

Bill Daly on reluctance to end talks for the night "No reason to break off at this point. We will keep going as long as it makes sense. 1/2

Cont. "As soon as it doesn't, or it may be counterproductive, we will break off."


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:28 PM

it's a done deal folks. i dont have concrete proof, so i dont expect anyone to believe me, but i'll tell you guys what my cousin told me. he has a friend who works with CBC human resources in toronto. the league has told cbc to get ready for the season. said the deal is just being finalized now but an agreement was made. not sure if they will announce tonight or not but all thats left is paperwork at this point.



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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:36 PM

Vet agent: deal as good as done, league now taking it to final hour, grabbing what's left to take off table.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:36 PM

Damn. So close.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:37 PM

it's a done deal folks. i dont have concrete proof, so i dont expect anyone to believe me, but i'll tell you guys what my cousin told me. he has a friend who works with CBC human resources in toronto. the league has told cbc to get ready for the season. said the deal is just being finalized now but an agreement was made. not sure if they will announce tonight or not but all thats left is paperwork at this point.

 

I believe you because Jim Hughson and Ron Maclean already talked about it on a radio show. Lol.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:43 PM

I believe you because Jim Hughson and Ron Maclean already talked about it on a radio show. Lol.

 

that is good! i feel stunned for making that post now, but im glad it is definitely true. i know my cousin wouldnt lie to me like that. im limited to sources as im stuck at work for the night.



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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:51 PM

For once, I actually feel optomistic. 


"All done? Five bucks." - Pavel Datsyuk after an interview
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 09:56 PM

Teams were advised two weeks ago to keep dates open for a 48-to-52 game sked. The NHL will try to keep as close to old sked as possible.

 

We have NBC games against

 

Blues Jan 20

Blues  Feb 10

Wild Feb 17

Chicago Feb 19

Chicago Mar 3

Chicago Mar 31

Blues Apr 7


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:17 PM

NHL-NHLPA talks still ongoing. Slow progress. Breaks now and then for caucusing. Disregard people who say deal has been reached already.

 

 

Daly said talks would end tonight if it goes counter productive. 

 

 

 

NHL deputy commish Bill Daly email to Post-Dispatch seconds ago: "It’s been a long day already and meetings are continuing.... (1/2) 

Daly contd "Dialogue has been good & there has been a healthy give & take. We resolved some open issues but still have a number to go” (2/2)

 

 

 

I'm a bit scared that Daly is making public statements. Like someone else said earlier, I expect the deal to come almost unexpectedly. Leaking info may not be a good thing.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:21 PM

How reliable is he? 


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