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Franzen spear on Perron

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Well I guess we all know who's going to get a starring role in Coaches Corner on Saturday...

Will it be manliness or toughness?

Old time hockey, like Eddie Shore... Before the Wings play the Blues next Wednesday, Franzen should put on the foil cause we all know Backes is gonna hit him from behind and you can guarantee stick work from Perron. There is a personal bounty on Franzen's head. Free large loaded potato bites for the guy who really gives it to Franzen. None of this small curly fries hat trick business.

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Mostly i just started to drag the GDT off topic with my complaining about Mule's spear, so I figured I should start a thread.

Seeing a replay, yes it was a hit from behind but he clearly survived. But Mule once again with the cheapshot.

To me spearing is one of the dirtier plays in hockey. If someone on the blues had done this to the Wings, would it still be not that big of a deal?

I'm guessing with the 5 minute PP and getting tossed for the game, he won't get a suspension, but given the NHL's track record who knows.

The spear was unnecessary, but so were the hit by Perron and the ensuing theatrics.

That said, the fact that you intensely dislike everything about Franzen isn't news.

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Franzen needs to be a man and go after him and drop the gloves. None of this childish spearing crap. But then again what do you expect from one of the softest "power forwards" to play. The guy is the king of the after whistle scrum.

I never understood why in hockey some ways to hurt people are considered OK and honorable, but other ways are gutless and childish. If your leg or jaw is broken, what difference does it make wether that was the result of kneeing, boarding, a slush, a spear, or a punch?

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The spear was unnecessary, but so were the hit by Perron and the ensuing theatrics.

That said, the fact that you intensely dislike everything about Franzen isn't news.

First, the spear was not only unnecessary but a cheapshot well beyond the hit from behind, which was basically a stupid hockey play. If Franzen had a problem with it he could've very easily gotten in Perron's face. Instead his first reaction was to spear him, which is a gutless cheapshot.

Second, I don't dislike everything about Franzen.

Third, and for the thousandth time, keep your comments about the content of the post and not the person. If you want to discuss the spear, great. But snidely telling someone what they think isn't doing that. Bait me again and people will soon be wondering why you haven't posted here in such a long time.

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I never understood why in hockey some ways to hurt people are considered OK and honorable, but other ways are gutless and childish. If your leg or jaw is broken, what difference does it make wether that was the result of kneeing, boarding, a slush, a spear, or a punch?

I think the difference stems from in a fight you're squaring up on a level playing field to defend yourself and hurt your opponent. You're also risking your own well being to do so. Spearing someone in the gut doesn't risk directly risk your well being. So it can be perceived as a cowardly move.

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I think the difference stems from in a fight you're squaring up on a level playing field to defend yourself and hurt your opponent. You're also risking your own well being to do so. Spearing someone in the gut doesn't risk directly risk your well being. So it can be perceived as a cowardly move.

And checking someone from behind while they battle for a puck is not cowardly? Explain how that would be risking his own well being please.

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I think the difference stems from in a fight you're squaring up on a level playing field to defend yourself and hurt your opponent. You're also risking your own well being to do so. Spearing someone in the gut doesn't risk directly risk your well being. So it can be perceived as a cowardly move.

What about boarding a guy who is clearly defenseless? Franzen didn't have a chance to defend himself, why should Perron?

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And checking someone from behind while they battle for a puck is not cowardly? Explain how that would be risking his own well being please.

I'm referring to after the defenseless boarding, and why it's ok to fight someone but it's not ok to spear/slash/sucker punch them.

I think this might be photoshopped :g:

Photoshop? Please. Real pros use MS Paint.

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I'm referring to after the defenseless boarding, and why it's ok to fight someone but it's not ok to spear/slash/sucker punch them.

Photoshop? Please. Real pros use MS Paint.

And I am referring to the pre-spear, and why it's ok to check someone, but not from behind when they are defenseless. I agree spearing isn't something to be happy about, bon't don't try and say Perron didn't deserve after all the cheap shots he gave all night, he didn't deserve the honour of squaring up man to man

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Franzen could quite possibly be the worst fighter in the NHL, but if he went buckets and gloves off with Backes I'd lose my s***. Franzen has punked Backes a few times, hitting him or punching him and Backes lays on the ice looking for a call, it'd be pretty good to see em go.

As far as the spear, it was pretty funny. Gutty and everything, but it's Franzen guys, the gloved punch king. As long as he isn't the one diving it's a win for Detroit.

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And I am referring to the pre-spear, and why it's ok to check someone, but not from behind when they are defenseless. I agree spearing isn't something to be happy about, bon't don't try and say Perron didn't deserve after all the cheap shots he gave all night, he didn't deserve the honour of squaring up man to man

No no I'm not saying he didn't' deserve. I was just commenting on why its believed that fighting is ok but spearing isn't. I don't really have an opinnion on it otherwise.

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Wasn't Chelios known for pretty much exactly this type of stick work?

And back when Cheli was a Blackhawk - he had this "tuff guy - bad ass" reputation amongst it's fan base...Yeah - he beat up on guys like Fedorov, Propp, and Robitaille...But when he squared off against a guy like Gallant - he got his ass kicked.

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I really hope that Mule's reaction was born from his frustration with his own play this season and that the hit was just the catalyst that set him off. Maybe it will kick him in gear. History says no, but I can hope.

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I really hope that Mule's reaction was born from his frustration with his own play this season and that the hit was just the catalyst that set him off. Maybe it will kick him in gear. History says no, but I can hope.

Why would he be frustrated? He's played fine this year...

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I really hope that Mule's reaction was born from his frustration with his own play this season and that the hit was just the catalyst that set him off. Maybe it will kick him in gear. History says no, but I can hope.

To be honest, I'm not even sure what people are talking about in regards to Mule. I actually feel like he's been pretty solid. I could just be completely off here, but I feel like he's looking quicker than ever. He's nearly playing at a point-per-game pace, and isn't dogging it as much as I've seen in the past. We can all call the man a pansy all we want, but I think he's actually put up a good effort thus far.

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I think the difference stems from in a fight you're squaring up on a level playing field to defend yourself and hurt your opponent. You're also risking your own well being to do so. Spearing someone in the gut doesn't risk directly risk your well being. So it can be perceived as a cowardly move.

Do you remember when Larionov slashed Lindros and broke(fractured) his leg in retaliation for some rough stuff?

To me, that was a smart move, 5'10'' 170 Igor squaring up against Lindros wouldn't have been a fair, level field fight, it would have been suicidal stupidity. Yet you can't let goonery pass without response, either.

If I'm in a bar fight, and there's a convenient stool to hand, I'm gonna use it and not worry about fighting fair. Fair fights are for suckers.

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Do you remember when Larionov slashed Lindros and broke(fractured) his leg in retaliation for some rough stuff?

To me, that was a smart move, 5'10'' 170 Igor squaring up against Lindros wouldn't have been a fair, level field fight, it would have been suicidal stupidity. Yet you can't let goonery pass without response, either.

If I'm in a bar fight, and there's a convenient stool to hand, I'm gonna use it and not worry about fighting fair. Fair fights are for suckers.

The difference is that Franzen is much bigger than Perron. But even so, I would've much rather he gave Perron a good two handed slash.

It still wouldn't be a great reaction by Mule, but spearing is on another level.

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The difference is that Franzen is much bigger than Perron. But even so, I would've much rather he gave Perron a good two handed slash.

It still wouldn't be a great reaction by Mule, but spearing is on another level.

What is the difference between a spear and a slash? Both are wacking someone with a stick. In fencing, a thrust is usually preferred to a cut. They always say "a point beats the edge". :)

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Honestly, I dont have a problem with what Franzen did. That hit from behind by Perron is what doesn't belong in the game today. Its a blatant cheap shot hit from behind. It deserves retaliation. I guess where I have a problem with it, Franzen chose to spear him, probably just an instant reaction, but its just as dirty of a play... he should have just dropped the gloves and started swinging at Perron, regardless of whether Perron was willing to fight or not. Teach him a lesson... dont retaliate with an equally, or worse dirty play. Perron deserved some sort of payback though.

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Franzen should have "taken a number" and got him back at another time. Instead he chose to spear him in the nuts which is a gutless play. If Backass would have done this to Z comments would be a lot different on here.

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Franzen should have "taken a number" and got him back at another time. Instead he chose to spear him in the nuts which is a gutless play. If Backass would have done this to Z comments would be a lot different on here.

Z would never have purposely boarded Backes like that and he certainly wouldn't have layed on the ice like a little b****. Nice try though.

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And this is why I have no problem with a little goonery or cheaps*** by the Wings. The reason so many events like this happen is the Wings are looked at as soft and noone worries about being held accountable for slamming Z's head into the boards....so teams and players will continue to take liberties on Dats ans Z cuz.... They can! The Wings need to put on the foil.

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