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Hypothetical: What Coach Would You Replace Babcock With?

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I like Blash, but I think this would only work if he and Holland were on the same page. KH would have to dump the old dead weight, and NOT SIGN ANYMORE, with a good commitment to youth. Then, Blashill would be a good choice. But you know Holland, he loves em old.

Well, I think if Blashill were to be brought in, it would ostensibly be for what I think we should call "The John Cooper Effect." The Lightning are doing as well as they are largely because Cooper is familiar with the youth and knows how to, um, best use them. (They being a young, farm-fed team.) That's the example you point to to sell the idea. That's the template you follow, or at least reference here and there. It seems like a natural progression from all of Holland's talk about How You Have to Do Things in the Salary Cap Era (draft well, develop well, build from within). The irony, of course, is that Babcock came in as a hip, young, prodigious go-getter. Now we consider him a borderline senile windbag. That's professional sports for ya, I guess.

On a related note - I've mentioned this before in a different thread, but I think it's interesting enough to justify bringing it up again (and again and again):

The Craig MacTavish Interview, Part 2 [Edmonton Journal]

MacTavish: The GM and the coach, it’s always a difficult relationship because there are always two different thoughts. There’s winning and there’s small picture and big picture. The coach is trying to win the next game. The manager is trying to win the Stanley Cup. He’s got a bigger picture view, so instead of having guys that don’t necessarily have much upside, but they can execute, those would be the guys the coach would want in. The manager would want guys that aren’t quite at the level of these other guys, but they have significant upside. It’s just growth potential.

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Tippet is a great coach and easily one of the best in the league, but he often stated that he doesn't want big market pressure . It's simple amazing with the can do with a limited payroll his system just works.

What Cooper has done with the Lightning is also just wow, even without Stamkos this team is still in the playoff race and Mr. St. Luis is playing the hockey of his career.

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I dont see Blash lasting that long. Unless Babs is gone in the next year or two I see someone scooping up Blash.

That's my fear, and a big reason why I think he's going to get serious consideration.

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One thing to keep in mind:

Babcock may not even want to be back, he knows teams will be lining up for his services. if Bylsma fails again the guy could be coaching Crosby, Malkin or another team on the rise.

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I think the love for Babs gets a little overblown sometimes. Is he one of the better coaches in the league? Yes. But it's crazy how Iron Mike has hoodwinked everyone. He put a good year together with Anaheim and there really wasn't much to work with...so kudos to him for that. Then he came to Detroit and walked onto a team with talent like Yzerman, Shanahan, Osgood, Hasek, Draper, Maltby, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, and eventually Hossa. If he didn't have a Cup and a bunch of wins with that kind of talent he'd be the worst coach in the history of professional coaching.

It's not unlike what Quenneville adopted, except maybe his team was a little less proven. Many deride Q for adopting his team, but conveniently overlook the fact that

It still takes a good coach to win, or the Wings would have had a Cup with Lewis.

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Gordon Bombay no questions asked. He just has a way at helping players maximize their potential...

nah, i vote Wolf Stansson. he doesn't take s*** from anybody.

it's a shame they had to lose to the pesky ducks after how prepared they were....

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Coach Chadwick. If he could teach Dean Youngblood how to stand up for himself, he can do anything. Maybe he can get heaver to be the backup goalie and Racki for the 4th line winger spot too.

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Jeff Blashill. He has an amazing record of taking young teams to championships. He also spent time as a Wings assistant coach before being sent down to Grand Rapids where he won the Cup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Blashill

2 weeks ago Babcock said he talks to Blashill every day because he knows the kids better then Babs.

I think Babs only knows how to coach a team that is loaded with talent and not a rebuilding team. I think he's clueless how to utilize young players, whatever he said to them after the first period with Philly demoralized those kids.

We need change, Blashill is the answer.

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It still takes a good coach to win, or the Wings would have had a Cup with Lewis.

Right, but all that proves is that Babcock is better than Lewis. I wouldn't argue that. I'm just saying he's done a good amount of winning with a freakishly talented lineup. Show me a guy that wins almost as much, with FAR less talented lineups and I'll show you a better coach. Babs is good, Tippett is better.

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Right, but all that proves is that Babcock is better than Lewis. I wouldn't argue that. I'm just saying he's done a good amount of winning with a freakishly talented lineup. Show me a guy that wins almost as much, with FAR less talented lineups and I'll show you a better coach. Babs is good, Tippett is better.

He has won at every level he's coached. This isn't some guy who was an average junior or minor league coach or spent 15 years as an assistant somewhere and got a job because the team's he was an assistant on were winning. I think the real issue here is that he's been in Detroit for 9 years. Babcock has said it himself, after awhile the coach starts sounding like Charlie Brown's teacher. Wah wah, wah waaah wah wah. Trotz is the only coach who has been with their team longer, and with all the turnover the Preds have had, the players don't get time to tune him out. the next longest is Julien, who started in Boston 2 years after Babcock was hired.

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He has won at every level he's coached. This isn't some guy who was an average junior or minor league coach or spent 15 years as an assistant somewhere and got a job because the team's he was an assistant on were winning. I think the real issue here is that he's been in Detroit for 9 years. Babcock has said it himself, after awhile the coach starts sounding like Charlie Brown's teacher. Wah wah, wah waaah wah wah. Trotz is the only coach who has been with their team longer, and with all the turnover the Preds have had, the players don't get time to tune him out. the next longest is Julien, who started in Boston 2 years after Babcock was hired.

I don't think I'm being clear. I don't want Babcock fired. As I stated before, he's one of the better coaches in the league and every coach who's as good or better is locked up somewhere else. I definitely didn't want to imply that he should be fired...he shouldn't.

My previous posts were 1) A response to the hypothetical "what if" question posed in the title; 2) An attempt to explain why I don't think Babs is THE BEST coach.

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babs has s*** to work with and is doing decent right now. If he wants to stay he will be extended with the redwings. Simple as that.

hypothetically speaking prob hitchkock for regular season and Julien for playoffs

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While Babcock obviously has many great coaching qualities, I think Blashill is actually a better leader and may be smarter.

In a Griffin's Calder Cup video, Blashill stands at the podium giving the team credit for "waking up every morning since October and making a conscious decision to be great. You either decide to be great, or you make decisions that move you away from greatness. And in the dog days of February and March, these guys still woke up every morning and make a decision to commit to greatness, and it paid off" ,

He gives the team credit for it, but he's the one who told them that is what it will take to win the Cup. And they followed him and played their hearts out.

Babs says things like, "Are we a good enough team to play that brand of hockey? I don't know, you tell me."

" these guys are all out, so don't talk about them. Talk about the guys who are in. Now which one of these guys are we going to slot into that spot...I don't know, uh, how bout him, yeah, there we go, decision made, let's move on."

I just think Babs should have won atleast two more Cups with those Red Wing teams.

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Have there been any equivalents to "Pete Carroll" in the NHL? - a non traditional coach that laughs it up and is very friendly with the players? I think part of his success is the players want to play for him and like him as a human.

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Doug Glatt. He will instill some toughness in this team so that we don't get manhandled by Boston's physical play in the Eastern Conference playoffs.

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Doug Glatt. He will instill some toughness in this team so that we don't get manhandled by Boston's physical play in the Eastern Conference playoffs.

That will only work if we re-sign Lilja to shut down the easterns various superstars

Lebda anyone?

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