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#21 MasterPavel

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 06:22 AM

 
Obvious speculation about "damage control" aside, Mike Barwis isn't the Red Wings trainer.  He's an outside specialist and (based on my very brief internet search) seems to be pretty well respected and established. 


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 07:02 AM

...after a few weeks of thinking about it, and after hearing some interviews, if the UFA's don't want to come here, f*** em! If they don't want to be coached (like Babs said) and want to go somewhere where the team bows down to them, f*** em!  (I still hate the #KFQ signing, but can kinda, sorta understand the Cleary....kinda.)

 

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 07:16 AM

If what he says about Pavs, Z, a JHo is true then this team will make some noise. Z, and D alone can carry this team into the playoffs. The pressure being taken off Franzen will hopefully help him out. 

 

I don't know, that interview pumped me up for next season.



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 08:33 AM

Babcock is just the best coach in hockey and I truly believe him when he says he cares about his players. Yeah he can be hard but I also think he knows how to push them without overpushing them I mean, when guys like Toews, Weber, Crosby are willing to sacrifice their own points for the good of the team the coach is doing something right. The only sad part about the whole thing is this: it will be the last year the Wings are playing for him after this year they are playing against a babcock coached team :(


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 08:42 AM

I think Cleary would have a better bounceback season if he gets number 11 back. But maybe if Alfredsson plays and he doesn't have his number he'll have an off year.

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 09:37 AM

I think Cleary would have a better bounceback season if he gets number 11 back. But maybe if Alfredsson plays and he doesn't have his number he'll have an off year.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 09:54 AM

Babcock is just the best coach in hockey and I truly believe him when he says he cares about his players. Yeah he can be hard but I also think he knows how to push them without overpushing them I mean, when guys like Toews, Weber, Crosby are willing to sacrifice their own points for the good of the team the coach is doing something right. The only sad part about the whole thing is this: it will be the last year the Wings are playing for him after this year they are playing against a babcock coached team :(

 

If you believe him when he says he cares about his players, why wouldn't you believe him when he says he's "confident a new contract will get done" and that "the grass is not always greener on the other side" (coaching another team)

 

Malik has listed a series of tweets from Brad Galli who obviously is breaking the interview down nto point form:

 

http://kuklaskorner....-on-detroit-spo

 

IMO, the only way Babcock doesn't return for 2015-16 is:

 

a) Holland choses to go in a new direction with Blashill, for example

b) Holland himself opts out of his one year option or gets fired before Babcock is extended.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:03 AM

No sense worrying about Babcock. He admitted to wanting to stay by saying a contract deal will get done. Thank God. Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2
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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:10 AM

I think Holland would be a fool to lock Babs up before seeing how this season plays out.  You've got arguably the best coach not currently in the NHL in your back pocket, and you've got a team that's consistently underperforming in the playoffs.  Give Babs the year.  If the team is healthy and performs well, or if they lose in the playoffs but look strong, then bring him back.  But if they miss the playoffs, get bounced early/get embarrassed, then let Babs walk on good terms (which he'd likely want anyway) and go with Blashill.  6 years of early playoff exits would be reason enough to make a change if that is indeed the case a year from now.   


Edited by kipwinger, 18 July 2014 - 10:15 AM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:24 AM

 

Obvious speculation about "damage control" aside, Mike Barwis isn't the Red Wings trainer.  He's an outside specialist and (based on my very brief internet search) seems to be pretty well respected and established. 

 

Honestly I'd rather it be an outside trainer.  I didn't listen to the interview so was going by what the article said (incorrectly, it sounds like), which referred to the team's trainer. 


I think Holland would be a fool to lock Babs up before seeing how this season plays out.  You've got arguably the best coach not currently in the NHL in your back pocket, and you've got a team that's consistently underperforming in the playoffs.  Give Babs the year.  If the team is healthy and performs well, or if they lose in the playoffs but look strong, then bring him back.  But if they miss the playoffs, get bounced early/get embarrassed, then let Babs walk on good terms (which he'd likely want anyway) and go with Blashill.  6 years of early playoff exits would be reason enough to make a change if that is indeed the case a year from now.   

 

I think that's better for Babcock, but I don't think it is for Holland.  

 

Given the team Holland has put together this season, if I were Babcock I'd prefer not be locked in to the Wings for another contract to keep open the possibility of coaching somewhere else. 

 

But if I'm Holland and want to keep the best coach in hockey on my team, I'd lock him up as soon as possible so it's not dependent on what could be a less than stellar year. 



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:26 AM

I think Holland would be a fool to lock Babs up before seeing how this season plays out.  You've got arguably the best coach not currently in the NHL in your back pocket, and you've got a team that's consistently underperforming in the playoffs.  Give Babs the year.  If the team is healthy and performs well, or if they lose in the playoffs but look strong, then bring him back.  But if they miss the playoffs, get bounced early/get embarrassed, then let Babs walk on good terms (which he'd likely want anyway) and go with Blashill.  6 years of early playoff exits would be reason enough to make a change if that is indeed the case a year from now.   

 

Why? You can fire a coach at any time with little repercussion. It's not like his salary goes against the cap.



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:42 AM

But if I'm Holland and want to keep the best coach in hockey on my team, I'd lock him up as soon as possible so it's not dependent on what could be a less than stellar year. 

 

Did we hire Darryl Sutter while I wasn't paying attention?  But I digress...

 

 

Why? You can fire a coach at any time with little repercussion. It's not like his salary goes against the cap.

 

Because I think none of the GM, coach, management, or ownership would prefer to fire someone when they can just let them walk without all the to-do. 

 

I agree, there aren't many repercussions, but why would you (if given the choice) fire someone if you don't have to?


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:54 AM

 

Did we hire Darryl Sutter while I wasn't paying attention?  But I digress...

 

 

Because I think none of the GM, coach, management, or ownership would prefer to fire someone when they can just let them walk without all the to-do. 

 

I agree, there aren't many repercussions, but why would you (if given the choice) fire someone if you don't have to?

Yeah, he was so awesome in Calgary and San Jose.



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 11:04 AM

Yeah, he was so awesome in Calgary and San Jose.

 

Lol.  You're so cute when you're contradictory.

 

I'll get back to you about this silly debate once I'm done watching youtube videos of Sutter hoisting the Cup for the second time.  Afterward I'll watch Quenneville do it.

 

Be a doll and link me to the video of Babcock hoisting the Cup for the second time will you?


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 11:11 AM

 

Lol.  You're so cute when you're contradictory.

 

I'll get back to you about this silly debate once I'm done watching youtube videos of Sutter hoisting the Cup for the second time.  Afterward I'll watch Quenneville do it.

 

Be a doll and link me to the video of Babcock hoisting the Cup for the second time will you?

 

IMO, you've got Babcock, Julien, Tippett, Sutter and maybe Vigneault/Hitchcock.  

 

Quenville could win 18 cups in 4 years and I still wouldn't drag him into the "pro" side of an arguement.

 

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 11:31 AM

 
Lol.  You're so cute when you're contradictory.
 
I'll get back to you about this silly debate once I'm done watching youtube videos of Sutter hoisting the Cup for the second time.  Afterward I'll watch Quenneville do it.
 
Be a doll and link me to the video of Babcock hoisting the Cup for the second time will you?


Give Babs either of those rosters and he could easily accomplish that. Sutter is a good coach, but Babs is far superior to Q.
 
 
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Posted 18 July 2014 - 11:49 AM

 

Did we hire Darryl Sutter while I wasn't paying attention?  But I digress...

 

 

Because I think none of the GM, coach, management, or ownership would prefer to fire someone when they can just let them walk without all the to-do. 

 

I agree, there aren't many repercussions, but why would you (if given the choice) fire someone if you don't have to?

 

So you're saying the preferred method would be to let him walk? I agree, that would be more amicable. However, you made it sound like it would be some fool-hardy endeavor for Holland to sign Babcock for multiple years, which is not the case. Is it less desirable to fire him? Sure, but no worries if you had to.



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 01:13 PM

 

So you're saying the preferred method would be to let him walk? I agree, that would be more amicable. However, you made it sound like it would be some fool-hardy endeavor for Holland to sign Babcock for multiple years, which is not the case. Is it less desirable to fire him? Sure, but no worries if you had to.

 

I'm suggesting it's better to let him walk than fire him.  And I believe if we miss the playoffs or get bounced early (and badly) then one or the other is coming.  So why not let him walk amicably?  I don't think we'd be having this conversation if Holland didn't already have Blashill ready to go, but you've got to think that another disappointing season would lead all parties involved to the conclusion that it's time for a change.  And it just so happens we've got a good alternative already in our organization. 

 

Give Babs either of those rosters and he could easily accomplish that. Sutter is a good coach, but Babs is far superior to Q.

 

Far too much is made of how good other people's rosters are and how bad Babs' rosters have been.  He had seven 100+ pt. teams.  Yet, he coached the President's Trophy winner to a first round loss in 2005-2006, and he lost with a very good roster (Lids, Franzen, Dats, Z, Hossa, Rafalski) in 2009 as well.  He's had good teams and less good teams, as have Quenneville and Sutter.  Difference is, they've won more cups with their good rosters than he has. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 01:20 PM

 

Did we hire Darryl Sutter while I wasn't paying attention?  But I digress...

 

 

Because I think none of the GM, coach, management, or ownership would prefer to fire someone when they can just let them walk without all the to-do. 

 

I agree, there aren't many repercussions, but why would you (if given the choice) fire someone if you don't have to?

 

Babcock is easily one of if not the best coach in the NHL.  That's not exactly a bold statement.  Any article you read about Babcock from sources around the league refer to him as the best or one of the best. 

 

Darryl Sutter is also a very good coach.  He came on to a very good team at the right time and was a great fit.  



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 01:26 PM

 

 

Babcock is easily one of if not the best coach in the NHL.  That's not exactly a bold statement.  Any article you read about Babcock from sources around the league refer to him as the best or one of the best. 

 

Darryl Sutter is also a very good coach.  He came on to a very good team at the right time and was a great fit.  

 

Babcock is ONE OF the best coaches.  I agree.  We just happen to disagree on him being THE BEST coach, which is what you said initially.  And it's not like he came on to a bad team either.  Any argument made in his favor is equally valid for Sutter or Quenneville who, nevertheless, have more Cups. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 






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