Preliminary Red Wings Training Camp Roster

[number9 3,297]

Yeah, it wasn't like going into his draft year Pulks wasn't rated a top 10 skater until an injury. And it's not like most trades that Holland nixed in the last year involved pulkks.

Link? Going into his draft I remember his issue was work ethic and foot speed.

I also remember Mantha being the one teams asked for. But we'll never know for certain will we?

[rick zombo 3,739]

Holland is business savvy. I don't doubt he is saying things even though the truth may be opposite...

I love all this Pulk and Mantha suck stuff! Pulk only lead the AHL in points all with playing 31 games in Detroit. Mantha started the season with a broken leg and even after that had 33 points in 62 games, that is getting a point every 2 games...not bad for someone who missed most of training camp and had to make up for lost time. I know Jimmy D said what he said and he knows more than all of us combined, but I reserve my assessment on him after a full healthy season. Even the likes of Abby had less than a point a game in his first AHL season and look how he turned out in the NHL. I know Mantha was touted to be "that sniper" but if he turns into a solid player like Abby and scoring 20+ goals a season, I think he will have a very successful NHL career...

What happens when/if Larkin only scores .6 points a game in his first full season in GR? Does he suck then?

Except Larkin has many dimensions as a player (speed, skill, grit, work ethic, character, etc.). Abdlekader? Same sort of thing only more physical, less speed and skill. The early signs point to Mantha having no hustle, grit, or work ethic. You better be filling the net in the AHL if that's the only dimension to your game. I can't see him killing penalties or blocking shots anytime soon.

Link? Going into his draft I remember his issue was work ethic and foot speed.

I also remember Mantha being the one teams asked for. But we'll never know for certain will we?

If only we knew someone who knew someone that sort of knew someone within the organization that could give us the real scoop. Oh well.

[LeftWinger 4,962]

I agree, he better pull a Pulkkinen this season and lead the league in at least goal scoring...proving that he can at least be a sniper.

....I will let you know if I hear anything. But IIRC, when Holland was on the phone with TSN after the Legwand deal, he did say that everyone asked about Mantha, and he called him untouchable.

I wouldn't say Manny's father-in-law "sorta" knows Manny, but you can continue to be a child all you want. Here's a balloon for you. Oh, and my friend Dan, the guy he knows and skates with, his name is Russ...that's all I know. Just how DEEP he is in the organization is unknown to me.

Edited July 22, 2015 by LeftWinger

[rick zombo 3,739]

I agree, he better pull a Pulkkinen this season and lead the league in at least goal scoring...proving that he can at least be a sniper.

....I will let you know if I hear anything. But IIRC, when Holland was on the phone with TSN after the Legwand deal, he did say that everyone asked about Mantha, and he called him untouchable.

I wouldn't say Manny's father-in-law "sorta" knows Manny, but you can continue to be a child all you want. Here's a balloon for you.

Bah. Empty words!! Still waiting for the real scoop. Until someone can really establish a reliable source within the upper Red Wings management office, we'll never really know which player teams were asking for. Was it Mantha? Pulkinnen? Larkin? All three?

[LeftWinger 4,962]

That I do agree with you on! Unless Holland came out and said, everyone asked about Mantha that year, wait he did, he told TSN via the phone call after the Legwand deal, that Mantha was untouchable and was not being traded. He wasn't interested in trading him, so that is why he was never in on the Kesler or Vanek deal. But hey, not much else can be said about it...

[e_prime 1,936]

My god... Training camp/Pre-Season/October can't get here quick enough.

[rick zombo 3,739]

That I do agree with you on! Unless Holland came out and said, everyone asked about Mantha that year, wait he did, he told TSN via the phone call after the Legwand deal, that Mantha was untouchable and was not being traded. He wasn't interested in trading him, so that is why he was never in on the Kesler or Vanek deal. But hey, not much else can be said about it...

So what? That year Pulkinnen barely played in the AHL and Larkin hadn't been drafted yet. Mantha was the only prospect other teams would covet at that time. So there's nothing to speculate about. Of course everyone asked for Mantha. What we were debating was this: who were teams asking for THIS year? Larkin, Mantha, or Pulkinnen? We'll never know.

My god... Training camp/Pre-Season/October can't get here quick enough.

Because conversation gets way more intelligent here at LGWs when the season starts?

[LeftWinger 4,962]

Well MY post that you commented on, I said Holland was on the phone AFTER THE LEGWAND DEAL, not after the Cole and Zidz deals. It was widely speculated that in 2015, Mantha AND the 1st was available, but in 2014 they were both untouchable. Granted though, you are correct about 2015, I don't ever recall Holland saying that Mantha was available, just TSN speculation. I was referring to 2014 though during a conversation after the Legwand deal.

In just a year, our prospects went from just Mantha that everyone asked about to being him, Larkin, AA, Pulk, Bertuzzi, Sproul, Marchy, Ouellet. I think the Wings should keep a hold of these guys as long as they can fit on the roster and let it grow! Excited for the future!

[e_prime 1,936]

Because conversation gets way more intelligent here at LGWs when the season starts?

Well, at least there will be "real" things to talk about???

Yes, I'm totally burying Lefty's connects and how underwhelmed we are by them and which prospects/players were asked for and ultimately not traded. I mean, really... who gives a f***?

[LeftWinger 4,962]

Hmmmm, don't really give a f*** which players were asked for as opposed to which ones were settled on? Ok that's fine. I never said I had connections proving which players were asked for the last couple of seasons. I was simply commenting on things that were already being discussed and then somehow, some way, you point the finger at me for bringing up the topic? Someone else already talked about Mantha may or may not being asked for, I simply said in 2014 AFTER the Legwand trade, Holland indeed said most phone calls from other GM's started and ended with the name Mantha during a phone conversation with TSN and he said he was untouchable. As of last draft, it was only speculation by TSN insiders that Mantha was now available.

Again, I failed to see where I deserve this latest attack. Being underwhelmed at some of the people I know, and yes, they are FAR from being anywhere near a decision maker or in the upper office's of the organization, but the times I mention something, it usually turns out. Danny D, the availability of Smith last and this season. Sure he wasn't traded, but he was available and in a lot of trade talks from TSN and other NHL analysts, if, indeed, Holland was willing to let go of Mantha or Larkin last deadline, it is a well known fact that Weiss and Smith were going back to Toronto along with Mantha for Phanuef, but at that point Holland still (and probably still does) consider Mantha a big part of the future and refused to trade him. But Smith was always going to be the one to go. So I don't see where the mocking comes when I said that my friend said a trainer told him that Smith was on the outs and will possibly be on the trading block...Like I said, mock all you want, but I have not be wrong when it comes to what I reported and haven't mentioned anything else from these two friends of mine. It was always just the Danny D and Smith/Kindl info. That's it. I've known Manny's Father-in-law for 20 years, but only met Manny once, and never do I recall saying that Manny said this or that when it pertained to any kind of information within the organization...

[e_prime 1,936]

Hmmmm, don't really give a f*** which players were asked for as opposed to which ones were settled on? Ok that's fine. I never said I had connections proving which players were asked for the last couple of seasons. I was simply commenting on things that were already being discussed and then somehow, some way, you point the finger at me for bringing up the topic? Someone else already talked about Mantha may or may not being asked for, I simply said in 2014 AFTER the Legwand trade, Holland indeed said most phone calls from other GM's started and ended with the name Mantha during a phone conversation with TSN and he said he was untouchable. As of last draft, it was only speculation by TSN insiders that Mantha was now available.

Again, I failed to see where I deserve this latest attack. Being underwhelmed at some of the people I know, and yes, they are FAR from being anywhere near a decision maker or in the upper office's of the organization, but the times I mention something, it usually turns out. Danny D, the availability of Smith last and this season. Sure he wasn't traded, but he was available and in a lot of trade talks from TSN and other NHL analysts, if, indeed, Holland was willing to let go of Mantha or Larkin last deadline, it is a well known fact that Weiss and Smith were going back to Toronto along with Mantha for Phanuef, but at that point Holland still (and probably still does) consider Mantha a big part of the future and refused to trade him. But Smith was always going to be the one to go. So I don't see where the mocking comes when I said that my friend said a trainer told him that Smith was on the outs and will possibly be on the trading block...Like I said, mock all you want, but I have not be wrong when it comes to what I reported and haven't mentioned anything else from these two friends of mine. It was always just the Danny D and Smith/Kindl info. That's it. I've known Manny's Father-in-law for 20 years, but only met Manny once, and never do I recall saying that Manny said this or that when it pertained to any kind of information within the organization...

What you fail to see, or continue to acknowledge by not just letting it drop, is that no one really cares and everyone is trolling you HARD and you keep asking for and piling on more... ...and just so you know, I'm not just calling out you and you alone for the direction of conversation. ...but I am calling you out for not just letting it drop.

It doesn't matter who was asked for... because whether it was Smith, or Larkin, or Mantha, or Pulkkinen or a combination of them and other players, prospects, the Weiss contract, etc. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. So who cares?!

Unless someone is trying to say that we should have made the trade for Phaneuf over signing Green? Is someone suggesting that?

Edited July 22, 2015 by e_prime

[number9 3,297]

Hmmmm, don't really give a f*** which players were asked for as opposed to which ones were settled on? Ok that's fine. I never said I had connections proving which players were asked for the last couple of seasons. I was simply commenting on things that were already being discussed and then somehow, some way, you point the finger at me for bringing up the topic? Someone else already talked about Mantha may or may not being asked for, I simply said in 2014 AFTER the Legwand trade, Holland indeed said most phone calls from other GM's started and ended with the name Mantha during a phone conversation with TSN and he said he was untouchable. As of last draft, it was only speculation by TSN insiders that Mantha was now available.

Again, I failed to see where I deserve this latest attack. Being underwhelmed at some of the people I know, and yes, they are FAR from being anywhere near a decision maker or in the upper office's of the organization, but the times I mention something, it usually turns out. Danny D, the availability of Smith last and this season. Sure he wasn't traded, but he was available and in a lot of trade talks from TSN and other NHL analysts, if, indeed, Holland was willing to let go of Mantha or Larkin last deadline, it is a well known fact that Weiss and Smith were going back to Toronto along with Mantha for Phanuef, but at that point Holland still (and probably still does) consider Mantha a big part of the future and refused to trade him. But Smith was always going to be the one to go. So I don't see where the mocking comes when I said that my friend said a trainer told him that Smith was on the outs and will possibly be on the trading block...Like I said, mock all you want, but I have not be wrong when it comes to what I reported and haven't mentioned anything else from these two friends of mine. It was always just the Danny D and Smith/Kindl info. That's it. I've known Manny's Father-in-law for 20 years, but only met Manny once, and never do I recall saying that Manny said this or that when it pertained to any kind of information within the organization...

I heard Manny is a jerk off the ice.

When you said inside sources, did you mean inside your head?

Edited July 22, 2015 by number9

[e_prime 1,936]

When you said inside sources, did you mean inside your head?

Hey! I take offense to that!

[LeftWinger 4,962]

I never said I knew inside sources...I think that's in your head.

[LeftWinger 4,962]

e_prime, no one cares fine, but look back over the Jurco thread, I simply said there are some overpaid contracts on this team and two particular users decided to start up the whole uncles, father, sister blah blah thing. I never brought anything up about the TWO instances I said I heard from a friend until they were laying it on. You think I just let it drop and let immature kids keep it up? No.

[e_prime 1,936]

e_prime, no one cares fine, but look back over the Jurco thread, I simply said there are some overpaid contracts on this team and two particular users decided to start up the whole uncles, father, sister blah blah thing. I never brought anything up about the TWO instances I said I heard from a friend until they were laying it on. You think I just let it drop and let immature kids keep it up? No.

How very "adult" of you.

[number9 3,297]

I never said I knew inside sources...I think that's in your head.

Then how did you know Smith was on the trading block and Danny Diesel was gonna sign here?!?!?! Magic??? Crystal Ball?????

[LeftWinger 4,962]

Well it was very adult of all of you to start with me, when I didn't even refer to anything of the like. I have only ever said I heard from someone in regards to Danny D and Smith/Kindl...does that justify them doing what they did without me even saying anything even remotely near that? Go ahead, go over the page, it starts on page 6 of the Jurco thread, number9, zombo and another user decided to go hog wild on my friends telling me something in years past...and not even the correct story either...anyhow, if you look at the threads, I have tried to stop talking about it, yet, same users keep on keepin on...

[number9 3,297]

Well it was very adult of all of you to start with me, when I didn't even refer to anything of the like. I have only ever said I heard from someone in regards to Danny D and Smith/Kindl...does that justify them doing what they did without me even saying anything even remotely near that? Go ahead, go over the page, it starts on page 6 of the Jurco thread, number9, zombo and another user decided to go hog wild on my friends telling me something in years past...and not even the correct story either...anyhow, if you look at the threads, I have tried to stop talking about it, yet, same users keep on keepin on...

Tried and failed, over and over and over lol

I myself have grown quite fond of this discussion. What's the correct story? Do you have the hookups or not dude?

[LeftWinger 4,962]

Friends and inside sources are completely different. I said from day one, and it has never changed, my buddy Jeff was dating Danny's sister and he told me that Danny decided he was going to pick the Red Wings, even before his last day at Western...assuming his sister told Jeff that her brother made his mind up sooner than the public knew who he would choose...

[number9 3,297]

Friends and inside sources are completely different. I said from day one, and it has never changed, my buddy Jeff was dating Danny's sister and he told me that Danny decided he was going to pick the Red Wings, even before his last day at Western...assuming his sister told Jeff that her brother made his mind up sooner than the public knew who he would choose...

Danny's sister sounds like an inside source to me.

Wow though, who could've possibly known/guessed he was going to choose us. Wow. You called it bud! Thanks for sharing.

[amato 3,210]

Hey! I take offense to that!

He's going to that place!

[LeftWinger 4,962]

I will give you that, I guess she could be considered an inside source, but the way you implied it was like I said I knew someone who was Holland's right hand man....and back then, I simply said, before Danny chose, that my friend dates his sister and she says it was always Detroit. Simple...and yes, on this forum there was debate about whether or not he'd choose here because of guaranteed icetime,so I thought that hearing what I heard was news enough to say on here. It was hearsay at the time, but proved to be true. Obviously he was leaning towards Detroit and anyone could have guessed it would be here, but I still thought it was cool hearing from his sister that he had already chosen even though through out the hockey world, there was debate on where he would chose, and even fans from Toronto and Edmonton were positive it would be them, yet again, I felt a bit in the loop hearing from his sister before any other NHL source heard from Danny...if you don't think that would be cool if it were you, then I am sorry, but I thought it was really cool...cool enough to share with my forum friends. But if you'd rather continue to make fun and mock and troll, feel free. I know what I know, and who I know and if I ever hear anything from my friends again, I will most certainly share it.

Edited July 22, 2015 by LeftWinger

[Helmethead 235]

To change things a bit...do you guys think that Larkin has a legit chance of making the opening night roster? Dats is out until December by the sounds of it. If Larkin has a great camp and tears it up in the exhibition games, I think he should make the team. Other years I recall Tatar and Nyquist having good camps but not making the team. This year Kenny sounds different. I think Larkin has a real chance of making the team if he is indeed ready and deserves it.

I was thinking of some potential lines...

Zetterberg-Richards-Abdelkader

Nyquist-Sheahan-Tatar

Jurco-Larkin-Pulkkinen

Miller-Glendenning-Helm

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

Out of respect for the few people who are actually trying to discuss the topic, enough with the Dekeyser signing and trolling.