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Which player(s) would you trade?

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15 hours ago, Richdg said:

Smith again you didn't answer my questions. 1. Do we resign Nyquist in 2 years when it will cost us 5.5 to 6 mil in cap space to do so? If not move him. 2. Why move a bad contract to retain salary? Lets say we move E but have to keep 3 mill of the cap hit. You have to replace him on the roster with a player at the Dman position so at min that .75 mil in cap. That only freed up 1 mil to resign AA, not enough. We didn't gain anything. It will take 2.5 mil + to resign AA. Then next year we have the same problem with the next batch of young players needing new contracts.

Yes Holland screwed up. But we need to find a way out without loosing our good young talent.

As for Nyquist he just isn't that good. Once the league saw is game and it adjusted. He has struggled since. He spends more time lying on the ice than skating on it. Yes he has a role as a secondary scorer on a good line. He is not good enough to carry a line. he is worth a pick and that gives us more assets.

Yes, we should re-sign Nyquist when his contract is up, unless he's traded for help on the back end. I don't know how many times I have to explain why I'd move a bad contract. We wouldn't retain $3M of Ericsson's contract. The most we could retain is $2.125M (50%), and I don't even think that much would be necessary. We wouldn't be replacing him on the roster because we have 8 defensemen on the roster. Trading Ericsson would free up cap space and free up a roster spot for a younger player.

Keep saying that Nyquist isn't good, or he sucks, or he's a bottom 6 winger, it's not going to make it true. As kickazz and I have proven with stats, he's a very good top 6 winger. Where are the stats that say he's a bottom 6 winger?

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18 hours ago, kickazz said:

Scored the second highest points on our team last year after Zetterberg. With only 76 games played unlike Tatar or Neilsen who both played all 82 games. 

If Nyquist isn't "that good" then everyone else below him on that stat sheet is trash. 

Talking out of ass to the next level. Nyquist is actually one of our best 5 on 5 players. The reason his "goals" have dipped is because our PP sucks and so does our PP coaching. But even strength wise he's really good. People are dumb enough to actually use his 13/14 season as a benchmark. That season was one of the most flukiest things in NHL and near impossible to achieve for anyone. If you look at a larger sample size excluding that outlier of a season.. 

This was at the midway point of last season: 

"Nyquist has actually increased his 5v5 points/60 from last season and is now a full 0.70 points/60 higher than his 2014-2015 season. Looking at the league leaderboard, Nyquist is 44th in 5v5 points/60, tied with Auston Matthews among all forwards with >250 minutes played at 5v5"

Season 5v5 TOI/GP 5v5 Goals/60 5v5 Assists/60 5v5 Points/60
2014-2015 12:27 0.65 0.82 1.47
2015-2016 11:27 0.51 1.28 1.79
2016-2017 12:51 0.67 1.50 2.17

 

 

"Nyquist is averaging 1.90 5v5 points/60 which is 66th among NHL forwards with >500 minutes played over the past season and a half. That's the best mark of any player on Detroit (>500 minutes played)."

 

Player Games Played 5v5 Points/60 minutes
Gustav Nyquist 110 1.90
Dylan Larkin 108 1.86
Tomas Tatar 109 1.62
Darren Helm 94 1.40
Henrik Zetterberg 110 1.37
Justin Abdelkader 104 1.35
Pavel Datsyuk 66 1.34
Luke Glendening 109 1.14
Riley Sheahan 109 1.13
Brad Richards 68 0.84

https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2016/12/12/13911624/defending-gustav-nyquist-again

 

So yeah you keep Nyquist. It would be stupid not to seeing as how he's one of our best producers. 

These are good facts.

 

Question - how many Nyquist/Tatar/Pulks/Jurco type guys can a team play in the 12 man roster and be successful?

 

I dont know.

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5 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

These are good facts.

Question - how many Nyquist/Tatar/Pulks/Jurco type guys can a team play in the 12 man roster and be successful?

I dont know.

Well since Nyquist / Tatar aren't at all similar to former Red Wings Pulkkinen / Jurco, that question makes no sense.

How many Larkin/Athanasiou/Cleary/Andersson type guys can a team play in the 12 man roster (beer league roster?) to be successful?

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6 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

These are good facts.

 

Question - how many Nyquist/Tatar/Pulks/Jurco type guys can a team play in the 12 man roster and be successful?

 

I dont know.

You must be referring to the fact that those guys are complimentary guys because they surely are not the same type of player.

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I am going to throw something out there as food for thought.

The Wings are not going to be a in a position to compete for a cup until they get some generational talent.  The only way to get generational talent is to draft in the top 10 consistently.  Sure, there is always a chance we could get a Dats or Z again in the later rounds, but the odds of that happening are slim to none.

Anyway, knowing this, it doesn't matter how strapped we are right now.  It doesn't matter how strapped we are 3 years from now.  The bad contracts will be off the books by the time we get some talent and get things back on track.  A better idea would be to just play the kids and spend to the cap floor from this point forward.  Let the team fail and get those high draft picks now.  Yes, with a new arena, this team is going to suck which means that many fans will likely not spend a lot on tickets.  At the same time though, this is the best method to get those top 10 draft picks we need.

We don't need to trade away any contracts right now.

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If we're talking unrealistically, I'd trade E, Nielson, and Kronwall (only because of his knee issues). I think we'll ride out these deals, though.

A more realistic ways to create capspace in the short term (for AA if there's no injuries), I'd be looking to trade Sheahan for a pick or cheaper prospect. I think we'll waive Sproul instead, though. I think there's a chance he might not get claimed so I'll hope for that.

Going into the year, trades I think we should look at trades to improve the team with Helm or 1 of our goalies or Green if we've decided not bring him back. These options could bring an actual positive return (at least a pick or prospect for a position we need to bolster). I'm not on the side that we desperately need cap space for our situation. Even the AA situation is caused by the Daley signing in my mind. A lot of the of bad contracts are gone in a couple year when we'll compete. Nielson and Abby are exceptions to that. If we could ship out Nielson, I'm on board.

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