2/2 GDT - Red Wings @ Hurricanes - 7:00 PM EST

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

23 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

He took his time getting his s*** together, I agree. But if Howard was still starting most games and they were winning them, would that be his fault too? Or would that be ok since he’s been fairly consistent all season?

Its not like Mrazek decided to play half ass until the deadline was close then turn it up all of a sudden to screw Holland out of draft picks to be a vindictive ******* for the expansion draft exposure and comments about his attitude and work ethic. 

He’s had great games earlier this season. He just was never given the chance to build on them because Blash was playing Howard, and rightly so. Maybe this started out as a showcasing for trading him, and Blash and Kenny didn’t expect these kind of results out of him. Too bad. 

First Bold: Yes. I don't know why your deflecting to Howard... him having a consistent season has what to do with Mrazek playing well?

Second Bold: *eye roll* Good theory. Maybe he is? You don't know. I don't know either. What I do know is he has decided to turn it up during the worst possible month. But I highly doubt that's because he is petty lol... A lot more likely scenario is your boy wants off this team and has decided to finally show up to showcase himself now that he's on the market... Hope that's true so Ken doesn't hold out for the playoffs

Third Bold: Too bad? So you don't care what happens to the team, as long as Mrazek plays well? Is that the message here?

 

[kickazz 5,459]

1 hour ago, chaps80 said:

I fully realize the consequences of him starting to play well this close to the deadline with regards to Holland trading assets.

It’s a weird situation, because i’ve been waiting for him to get it together, and glad he has. But with Holland’s nature, this may seem to him like the time to wait trades out and even stand pat if a playoff spot is in reach, even remotely.

In the end though, Mrazek stepping up and continuing to play well is and would be a major plus for the team going forward. Even a key thing going forward. It may cost the team in other areas, but sometimes gaining things doesnt happen without losing others.

If he keeps Green around for a maybe playoff spot, that’s just plain bad asset management. He’s gotta go regardless of what the goalies are doing. Team is not winning a Cup.

Why would it be bad asset management? If Mrazek keeps winning and we end up being 9th in the conference why would any GM sell? One spot away from playoff spot on Feb 26 when there's still 2 months left to go in the season, a GM would be an idiot if he sold. 

 

The issue I have is the idiotic fan base that's so high on him playing well and not realize that this is actually not a good thing while Ken Holland is our GM. I swear if we end up close to playoff spot by trade deadline because of Mrazek and Ken Holland doesn't acquire draft picks AND THEN Mrazek starts sucking making us miss the playoffs I will lose my s***. I will literally become the new Leftwinger of Franzen except it will be Mrazek. 

If we miss out on Dahlin because of this situation it will be the worst thing in Wings history. 

Edited February 3, 2018 by kickazz

[chaps80 1,591]

3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

First Bold: Yes. I don't know why your deflecting to Howard... him having a consistent season has what to do with Mrazek playing well?

Second Bold: *eye roll* Good theory. Maybe he is? You don't know. I don't know either. What I do know is he has decided to turn it up during the worst possible month. But I highly doubt that's because he is petty lol... A lot more likely scenario is your boy wants off this team and has decided to finally show up to showcase himself now that he's on the market... Hope that's true so Ken doesn't hold out for the playoffs

Third Bold: Too bad? So you don't care what happens to the team, as long as Mrazek plays well? Is that the message here?

 

Because every time Howard won a game, it was Wow, Jimmy your solid, great win!! Now that Mrazek is doing it, it’s “f*** you Petr, your screwing us!!”

The “too bad” is that the showcase, if there was one, is that he gave management a problem instead of an easy solution. You gave him his real shot and he’s thriving. How is that remotely his fault? He’s supposed to suck just cause? Lol

Holland not trading at the deadline isn’t Mrazek’s fault in any way. He’s the GM. Mrazek just tends goal.

[chaps80 1,591]

3 hours ago, kickazz said:

Why would it be bad asset management? If Mrazek keeps winning and we end up being 9th in the conference why would any GM sell? One spot away from playoff spot on Feb 26 when there's still 2 months left to go in the season, a GM would be an idiot if he sold. 

 

The issue I have is the idiotic fan base that's so high on him playing well and not realize that this is actually not a good thing while Ken Holland is our GM. I swear if we end up close to playoff spot by trade deadline because of Mrazek and Ken Holland doesn't acquire draft picks AND THEN Mrazek starts sucking making us miss the playoffs I will lose my s***. I will literally become the new Leftwinger of Franzen except it will be Mrazek. 

If we miss out on Dahlin because of this situation it will be the worst thing in Wings history. 

It’s still not Mrazek’s fault. He’s not sitting in the GM chair. Maybe they should have given him this real shot sooner this season, instead of a start three times a month? 

Had Holland taken the Edmonton deal and he was playing this well there, Holland would look like an idiot anyways.

 

[Buppy 1,720]

8 hours ago, kickazz said:

Mrazek needs to stop winning games if we want that high draft pick.

He keeps winning and we're screwed. I'd prefer him to do well but LOSE. 

Some of you guys are looking at Mrazek's success and thinking "yes maybe he'll end up being as good as we anticipated!". But the reality could be that this is just a continuation of his same old inconsistency of him going through a good stretch then fading out. If he does continue this stretch, and we miss out on the high pick and then Mrazek reverts back to being bad (hence his inconsistent nature), we're f***ed. 

FFS February aka the trade deadline month  is not the month to win in Ken Holland's world. I have a feeling Holland might look at a good stretch run and not sell at all. This little stretch Mrazek is having should have came in December or November. 

LOL, this makes all sorts of no sense at all.

4 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Mrazek sucks for 160+ games and now suddenly decides to play well a month before the deadline. Hopefully he's traded because he is going to screw us.

Love how exaggerated this is. Mrazek has only played 163 games in his career.

Also, do people really think the future of the team hinges on whatever we could get for Green at the deadline? Is that really a thing that real humans with real human brains believe? Follow-up question if so; why are there not more cataclysmic cosmic events? 

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47 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Because every time Howard won a game, it was Wow, Jimmy your solid, great win!! Now that Mrazek is doing it, it’s “f*** you Petr, your screwing us!!”

The “too bad” is that the showcase, if there was one, is that he gave management a problem instead of an easy solution. You gave him his real shot and he’s thriving. How is that remotely his fault? He’s supposed to suck just cause? Lol

Holland not trading at the deadline isn’t Mrazek’s fault in any way. He’s the GM. Mrazek just tends goal.

I literally have never made a post like that, let alone "every time Howard won a game". My favorite thing about you are these persecutory delusions. Start a poll on which goalie everyone wants to keep, or who they want to trade. I promise you most people still prefer Mrazek to Howard. You and Petr are not on a cross.

Mrazek steals games --> Team enters playoff position --> Holland doesn't sell

It's a simple chain of events that starts with Mrazek. Not hard.

7 minutes ago, Buppy said:

LOL, this makes all sorts of no sense at all.

Love how exaggerated this is. Mrazek has only played 163 games in his career.

Also, do people really think the future of the team hinges on whatever we could get for Green at the deadline? Is that really a thing that real humans with real human brains believe? Follow-up question if so; why are there not more cataclysmic cosmic events? 

And Chaps never would have caught it if you hadn't opened your big mouth GTFO BUPPY

The future of this team hinges on us selling Green, one or both of Nyquist and Tatar, Howard or Mrazek, and Ouellet and finishing in a spot that gives us top 5 or top 10 positioning at the draft. This is not a cup bound team. 

 

[kickazz 5,459]

2 hours ago, Buppy said:

LOL, this makes all sorts of no sense at all.

Love how exaggerated this is. Mrazek has only played 163 games in his career.

Also, do people really think the future of the team hinges on whatever we could get for Green at the deadline? Is that really a thing that real humans with real human brains believe? Follow-up question if so; why are there not more cataclysmic cosmic events? 

This is what fake humans with fake brains watching fake news believe. 

I thought you knew

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

16 minutes ago, kickazz said:

This is what fake humans with fake brains watching fake news believe. 

I thought you knew

Beware the reptilian agenda

[chaps80 1,591]

3 hours ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

I literally have never made a post like that, let alone "every time Howard won a game". My favorite thing about you are these persecutory delusions. Start a poll on which goalie everyone wants to keep, or who they want to trade. I promise you most people still prefer Mrazek to Howard. You and Petr are not on a cross.

Mrazek steals games --> Team enters playoff position --> Holland doesn't sell

It's a simple chain of events that starts with Mrazek. Not hard.

And Chaps never would have caught it if you hadn't opened your big mouth GTFO BUPPY

The future of this team hinges on us selling Green, one or both of Nyquist and Tatar, Howard or Mrazek, and Ouellet and finishing in a spot that gives us top 5 or top 10 positioning at the draft. This is not a cup bound team. 

 

 Come on, your a Howard slappy. You’ve been riding his ass as the “more consistent superior goalie” all season, even starting a thread about it.

Mrazek sucks in your opinion, great. You hate him, great.  You hate the guy to the point where If Green isn’t moved it’s his fault. That’s a perfectly sane thought. Lol

 

 

 

Mrazek steals games and Holland doesn’t sell. Why is that his problem? Do you really think Mrazek planned this?? Damn man. Lol

And I already said this wasn’t a Cup bound team. So Holland should at least make damn sure he trades Green. Or not cause Mrazek.

Edited February 4, 2018 by chaps80

[chaps80 1,591]

1 hour ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Beware the reptilian agenda

Love how you two revert to stupidity when someone makes sense. 

Then again, you do have a Mustaine avatar. Kinda fitting...

Edited February 4, 2018 by chaps80

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

48 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

 Come on, your a Howard slappy. You’ve been riding his ass as the “more consistent superior goalie” all season, even starting a thread about it.

Mrazek sucks in your opinion, great. You hate him, great.  You hate the guy to the point where If Green isn’t moved it’s his fault. That’s a perfectly sane thought. Lol

 

 

 

Mrazek steals games and Holland doesn’t sell. Why is that his problem? Do you really think Mrazek planned this?? Damn man. Lol

And I already said this wasn’t a Cup bound team. So Holland should at least make damn sure he trades Green. Or not cause Mrazek.

No no I like Mrazek and hope he does well. If you actually looked at my history you'd know that. I gave him hella praise when he was doing well, but unlike you I actually trash him when he's bad.

You need to face the facts. Mrazek flipping the switch in Feb will f*** us. No amount of "LOLs" will change this.

 

33 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Love how you two revert to stupidity when someone makes sense. 

Then again, you do have a Mustaine avatar. Kinda fitting...

 

My reptilian agenda comment? That was directed at Buppy and Kickazz my dude...

What now you got a problem with Megadeth too??

Edited February 4, 2018 by ChristopherReevesLegs

[chaps80 1,591]

So you like him when you said you hate him because of his current play screwing the team and hope he gets traded? Along with the constant bashing all season. You haven’t given him his credit, just wrote it all off, even during this current stretch. 

I know this might screw trades, but Its not his fault. If I was finally given a chance to show my stuff after sitting on the bench most of the season when I’ve been working hard at improving, your damn right I’m gonna prove you wrong if you give me a shot. You act like he’s the problem. If they wanted to continue the path they were on, maybe stick with the status quo next time.

And no probs with Megadeth, seen them live a few times and own all their albums, but Mustaine is pretty f***ed up.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

2 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

So you like him when you said you hate him because of his current play screwing the team and hope he gets traded? Along with the constant bashing all season. You haven’t given him his credit, just wrote it all off, even during this current stretch. 

I know this might screw trades, but Its not his fault. If I was finally given a chance to show my stuff after sitting on the bench most of the season when I’ve been working hard at improving, your damn right I’m gonna prove you wrong if you give me a shot. You act like he’s the problem. If they wanted to continue the path they were on, maybe stick with the status quo next time.

And no probs with Megadeth, seen them live a few times and own all their albums, but Mustaine is pretty f***ed up.

He's sober now

Yeah, I've given Petr s*** all season because he's been s*** all season lol. I call it like it is, sorry that's a problem for you.

Now he's stealing games a month before the trade deadline, and yes that is also problem, what are you failing to understand?

The only one acting like a slappy here is you. If this was November I'd be right on board, but it's not.

[chaps80 1,591]

2 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

He's sober now

Yeah, I've given Petr s*** all season because he's been s*** all season lol. I call it like it is, sorry that's a problem for you.

Now he's stealing games a month before the trade deadline, and yes that is also problem, what are you failing to understand?

The only one acting like a slappy here is you. If this was November I'd be right on board, but it's not.

It’s not a problem though. At least not his problem. If they don’t want him stealing games, bench him. Blash doesn’t have to keep starting him. Howard is still there.

You can’t fault any player at any position for suddenly finding their game. If that was the case, most of this team should be benched.

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

2 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

It’s not a problem though. At least not his problem. If they don’t want him stealing games, bench him. Blash doesn’t have to keep starting him. Howard is still there.

You can’t fault any player at any position for suddenly finding their game. If that was the case, most of this team should be benched.

There are two scenarios where it is not a problem

You're ok with trading Mrazek at high value

You're ok with a playoff run this year

Which are you?

[chaps80 1,591]

22 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

There are two scenarios where it is not a problem

You're ok with trading Mrazek at high value

You're ok with a playoff run this year

Which are you?

Neither. Why trade your possible future long term franchise goalie for draft picks? Cause he’s winning you games? Eventually this team needs a goalie of his capability, and they aren’t easy to find. Just because our GM can’t see past a playoff berth, doesn’t mean Mrazek shouldn’t be kept around. Holland is the problem in this situation. If he doesn’t realize it’s time to rebuild by now, regardless of how good the goaltending currently is, it’s time for him to go. Not that we didn’t already know it.

Hasek won Buffalo games they had no buisiness winning for years. Not comparing the two whatsoever. Just an example. But they didn’t trade him right away just because of his game stealing play. That’s kind of what’s being suggested here. This team has nothing but time. If Holland tries to rush things, that’s squarely on him.

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2 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

Neither. Why trade your possible future long term franchise goalie for draft picks? Cause he’s winning you games? Eventually this team needs a goalie of his capability, and they aren’t easy to find. Just because our GM can’t see past a playoff berth, doesn’t mean Mrazek shouldn’t be kept around. Holland is the problem in this situation. If he doesn’t realize it’s time to rebuild by now, regardless of how good the goaltending currently is, it’s time for him to go. Not that we didn’t already know it.

Hasek won Buffalo games they had no buisiness winning for years. Not comparing the two whatsoever. Just an example. But they didn’t trade him right away just because of his game stealing play. That’s kind of what’s being suggested here. This team has nothing but time. If Holland tries to rush things, that’s squarely on him.

Holland is the Gm whether you like it or not. Good to know you care more about Mrazek than you do about the team as a whole. I will note that for future discussions. FYI I'm the opposite, more of a logo on the front than the name on the back kinda guy.

[chaps80 1,591]

4 minutes ago, ChristopherReevesLegs said:

Holland is the Gm whether you like it or not. Good to know you care more about Mrazek than you do about the team as a whole. I will note that for future discussions. FYI I'm the opposite, more of a logo on the front than the name on the back kinda guy.

No I care more about the team, but would you just trade Larkin if he was the guy currently making this team win? Of course not. Try not to score too many goals there Dylan, we might need to ship you out.

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5 minutes ago, chaps80 said:

No I care more about the team, but would you just trade Larkin if he was the guy currently making this team win? Of course not. Try not to score too many goals there Dylan, we might need to ship you out.

You're absolutely delusional if you think equating Larkin with our goal situation is the same. Larkin doesn't steal games.

We don't need to move centers, we need to move goalies. Keep up the straw grasping though...?

I'm at a loss here guy, we're having the same discussion in multiple threads and now somehow Larkin is involved? At least stay on topic please.

Edited February 4, 2018 by ChristopherReevesLegs