Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted June 21, 2023 Vernon is in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, Axl Foley said: Vernon is in. Osgood is certainly going to get in one day if Vernon is in Mike also kicked Roys ass Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 Pick any random season during Vernon's career. Make a list of the top 5 goalies in the NHL at that time. If Vernon isn't there (and he wouldn't be) he doesn't belong in the HOF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 Just now, Axl Foley said: Pick any random season during Vernon's career. Make a list of the top 5 goalies in the NHL at that time. If Vernon isn't there (and he wouldn't be) he doesn't belong in the HOF. So pick a year during V-dog's prime and give us you're totally unbiased list of "top 5 goalies" then. Fromm 89 to 95 only Roy and Brodeur were better. Barrasso and Vernon were equals. Richter was a half-step below, Hasek and Belfour were ascending. All these guys are now in the HOF and deservingly so. Including Vernon. 2 bIueadams and F.Michael reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonas Mahonas 1,872 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 28 minutes ago, The 91 of Ryans said: So pick a year during V-dog's prime and give us you're totally unbiased list of "top 5 goalies" then. Fromm 89 to 95 only Roy and Brodeur were better. Barrasso and Vernon were equals. Richter was a half-step below, Hasek and Belfour were ascending. All these guys are now in the HOF and deservingly so. Including Vernon. Hextall deserves honorable mention Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 9 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: Hextall deserves honorable mention Yes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 Good on Vernon. I think he deserves to be in. People forget that it's the Hall of FAME and not the Hall of Really Great Careers. As the starting goalie for two very memorable Cup runs, plus the Roy fight, and a really solid career on top of that, I think he fits the bill. 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 12 hours ago, Axl Foley said: Pick any random season during Vernon's career. Make a list of the top 5 goalies in the NHL at that time. If Vernon isn't there (and he wouldn't be) he doesn't belong in the HOF. I've said it before - until now there's been a different set of standards when it comes to goalies elected into the HoF...When you think of HoF netminders - guys instantly pop into your head like Roy, Brodeur, Hasek, and Belfour...But keep in mind guys like Ciccarelli, Andreychuk, and Gartner had also been elected. Many may not realize it, but from 1993 Billy Smith to 2003 Grant Fuhr there were not any goalies elected into the HoF.. All that said - I'm hoping Ozzie gets his due; while not having the Vezina/Selke awards to help his case he certainly has the wins, longevity. and Stanley Cups. 1 The 91 of Ryans reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, F.Michael said: I've said it before - until now there's been a different set of standards when it comes to goalies elected into the HoF...When you think of HoF netminders - guys instantly pop into your head like Roy, Brodeur, Hasek, and Belfour...But keep in mind guys like Ciccarelli, Andreychuk, and Gartner had also been elected. Many may not realize it, but from 1993 Billy Smith to 2003 Grant Fuhr there were not any goalies elected into the HoF.. All that said - I'm hoping Ozzie gets his due; while not having the Vezina/Selke awards to help his case he certainly has the wins, longevity. and Stanley Cups. People always knock Osgood by saying "he played behind a dynasty team" but I think that's even more true of Smith and Fuhr and nobody seems to think they don't belong in the HoF Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, kipwinger said: People always knock Osgood by saying "he played behind a dynasty team" but I think that's even more true of Smith and Fuhr and nobody seems to think they don't belong in the HoF Indeed. How many 'bad' teams did Roy, Belfour, Brodeur, and Hasek play on? Osgood had played well while on the Isles and Blues...Just not any personal hardware unlike others mentioned above. 1 kipwinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, F.Michael said: Indeed. How many 'bad' teams did Roy, Belfour, Brodeur, and Hasek play on? Osgood had played well while on the Isles and Blues...Just not any personal hardware unlike others mentioned above. Hasek played on quite a few mid Sabres teams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 1 minute ago, The 91 of Ryans said: Hasek played on quite a few mid Sabres teams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 I want Ozzy to get in as much as the next guy... but Howard could have replicated what Ozzy did under the same circumstances. If you wouldnt HOF Howie you shouldnt HOF Ozzy. And thats why its about the hardware. Computer... simulate goalie flame war circa 2007. And computer, turn all foul language prohibitors... off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 17 hours ago, The 91 of Ryans said: So pick a year during V-dog's prime and give us you're totally unbiased list of "top 5 goalies" then. Fromm 89 to 95 only Roy and Brodeur were better. Barrasso and Vernon were equals. Richter was a half-step below, Hasek and Belfour were ascending. All these guys are now in the HOF and deservingly so. Including Vernon. Goalies have up and down years. Several goalies most people have never heard of have Vezinas. Vernon was a good, but not elite goalie. Only elite goalies should get in. Putting him at the same level as Roy, Brodeur, Hasek is a joke. He was never that good. 3 hours ago, F.Michael said: Indeed. How many 'bad' teams did Roy, Belfour, Brodeur, and Hasek play on? Osgood had played well while on the Isles and Blues...Just not any personal hardware unlike others mentioned above. Vernon's 2 Cups were with a President's Trophy winner in 89 and a 97 Wings team who. despite being a 3 seed, were a more rounded team than their previous 2 1 seeds. 5 hours ago, F.Michael said: I've said it before - until now there's been a different set of standards when it comes to goalies elected into the HoF...When you think of HoF netminders - guys instantly pop into your head like Roy, Brodeur, Hasek, and Belfour...But keep in mind guys like Ciccarelli, Andreychuk, and Gartner had also been elected. Many may not realize it, but from 1993 Billy Smith to 2003 Grant Fuhr there were not any goalies elected into the HoF.. All that said - I'm hoping Ozzie gets his due; while not having the Vezina/Selke awards to help his case he certainly has the wins, longevity. and Stanley Cups. Goalies make up a greater percentage of Hall of Famers than they do NHL rosters. They are well represented. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 26 minutes ago, Axl Foley said: Goalies have up and down years. Several goalies most people have never heard of have Vezinas. Vernon was a good, but not elite goalie. Only elite goalies should get in. Putting him at the same level as Roy, Brodeur, Hasek is a joke. He was never that good. Vernon's 2 Cups were with a President's Trophy winner in 89 and a 97 Wings team who. despite being a 3 seed, were a more rounded team than their previous 2 1 seeds. Goalies make up a greater percentage of Hall of Famers than they do NHL rosters. They are well represented. Im with u. Vernie was a mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Axl Foley said: Goalies have up and down years. Several goalies most people have never heard of have Vezinas. Vernon was a good, but not elite goalie. Only elite goalies should get in. Putting him at the same level as Roy, Brodeur, Hasek is a joke. He was never that good. Vernon's 2 Cups were with a President's Trophy winner in 89 and a 97 Wings team who. despite being a 3 seed, were a more rounded team than their previous 2 1 seeds. Goalies make up a greater percentage of Hall of Famers than they do NHL rosters. They are well represented. The HoF is just not for NHL'ers - it's for the entire sport including women and Euro league players. Vernon, Barrasso, and others such as Osgood, and Cujo are the Pierre Turgeon, Andreychuk, Ciccarrelli, Recchi, Iginla, Sundin, Gartner, etc. 1 hour ago, bIueadams said: Im with u. Vernie was a mistake. WTF do you know - you were still in diapers back in '97... Edited June 22, 2023 by F.Michael Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, F.Michael said: The HoF is just not for NHL'ers - it's for the entire sport including women and Euro league players. So basically just NHLers and Tretiak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
F.Michael 4,590 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 1 minute ago, bIueadams said: So basically just NHLers and Tretiak https://www.hhof.com/HonouredMembers/MemberDetails.html?type=Player&mem=P201804&list=ByYear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, F.Michael said: https://www.hhof.com/HonouredMembers/MemberDetails.html?type=Player&mem=P201804&list=ByYear But like you and I know... the women and euros dont really count Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Axl Foley 334 Report post Posted June 23, 2023 Howard > Vernon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The 91 of Ryans 3,019 Report post Posted June 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, Axl Foley said: Howard > Vernon Is ">" an "eats him" sign? 1 AtlantaHotWings reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted June 23, 2023 On 6/22/2023 at 12:39 PM, bIueadams said: I want Ozzy to get in as much as the next guy... but Howard could have replicated what Ozzy did under the same circumstances. If you wouldnt HOF Howie you shouldnt HOF Ozzy. And thats why its about the hardware. Computer... simulate goalie flame war circa 2007. And computer, turn all foul language prohibitors... off No greater hardware than the three Stanley Cup rings Osgood has on his mantle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, kipwinger said: No greater hardware than the three Stanley Cup rings Osgood has on his mantle. Team award Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kipwinger 8,772 Report post Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, bIueadams said: Team award All awards are team awards, it's a team sport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bIueadams 776 Report post Posted June 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, kipwinger said: All awards are team awards, it's a team sport. Its awarded to the team not the player Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
