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#2534132 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by GoWings1905 on 12 August 2014 - 11:24 PM

Yes, yes, I know.  The Wings lost the Cup because of Stuart.  Or was it because of not suspending Malkin?  I can never remember which.  It surely couldn't have been that they got outplayed by a hungrier team. 
By pinning the Cup loss on Stuart, you're kinda making my point.  He's definitely an underappreciated Wings player. 

Exactly. People remember the two mistakes Stuart made in Game 7, but not how many shots he blocked that playoff run or 2008 on the PK, let alone all of his years in Detroit. Or how not a single Wings d-man besides maybe E has come close to matching Stuart's PK ability since then.

Physical, sound defensively and the ideal partner to complement Kronwall. Kronner really was able to contribute at a higher level offensively and play more aggressively with Stuart there to cover for him.

It was the perfect deadline acquisition to put the 2008 team over the top. I know there isn't much positive history for comparison, but for me that is easily Holland's best trade since the lockout.

#2534020 Alfie wants to play

Posted by GoWings1905 on 11 August 2014 - 04:49 PM

It won't happen, but I think the Wings should walk away from Alfie. This team is not a championship contender with Alfie back and you are committing money for not only this season, but likely the next one too. All of this for a 42-year-old coming off back issues that isn't likely to play anywhere near most of the games anyways.

I like Alfie and thought he was good (before the Olympics) last year. I don't like him for another season given the makeup of this roster. It just isn't a necessary move. Then again, neither was bringing back Cleary, Quincey or Monster, so of course Holland will pull the trigger.

Basically I'm absolutely opposed to anything that is going to keep Tomas Jurco in Grand Rapids and Alfie returning is another forward in the numbers game. Play the kids and speed up the transition to becoming relevant again. Signing Alfie for a veteran presence is fine if you are contending. Doesn't make any sense for the Wings now.

#2533874 Flyers agree to terms with Del Zotto

Posted by GoWings1905 on 07 August 2014 - 08:12 PM

So everyone ******* and moans about how our team has too many injury prone players and too many dud players like Quincey, Cleary etc, but we want a guy with serious injury problems who the Rangers fans came to recognize as a dud for his terrible defense, and who after being traded for by Nashville was shown the door?

Low risk move for only a year. I didn't necessarily want Del Zotto, but I would take a flyer on him rather than two years of Quincey at over four million per season. If he's hurt or bad, then the kids just play, which is my preferred solution anyways.

#2532624 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 20 July 2014 - 11:25 AM

No worries they'll sign. Holland doesn't sign over priced UFA's for this reason. There's more then enough cap room to sign Tatar and DeKeyser, then Nyquist and Smith next off season.

You are aware he offered a ton of money for Niskanen and more than Boyle received from the Rangers? Just because Holland doesn't know why free agents aren't coming here doesn't mean he hasn't been trying.

Besides, how do you not classify Quincey as an overpriced UFA?

#2532473 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by GoWings1905 on 18 July 2014 - 11:31 AM

Lol.  You're so cute when you're contradictory.
I'll get back to you about this silly debate once I'm done watching youtube videos of Sutter hoisting the Cup for the second time.  Afterward I'll watch Quenneville do it.
Be a doll and link me to the video of Babcock hoisting the Cup for the second time will you?

Give Babs either of those rosters and he could easily accomplish that. Sutter is a good coach, but Babs is far superior to Q.

#2532334 Babcock Interview on 105.1 this morning

Posted by GoWings1905 on 17 July 2014 - 01:30 PM

I like Babs a lot and this was a good interview, but I have no trust left him in whatsoever when he says "the best players will play."


It does sound though like Babs really wants to find a way to integrate the kids on defense sooner rather than later. Which who can blame him when his other options include Quincey, Kindl and Lashoff? 


Babs also said the Wings didn't hand out any bad contracts in free agency. Out on the lake when the Quincey deal happened?

#2532263 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by GoWings1905 on 16 July 2014 - 02:12 PM

I feel like this piece was purposely released at a time when Red Wings fans are at their angriest to have maximum effect.
Time to call the...

Ken Holland could start doing his job better and then there wouldn't be so much criticism aimed at the organization.

#2532192 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by GoWings1905 on 15 July 2014 - 06:37 PM

Hindsight? We have last season and beyond as proof that Quincey and Cleary are poor decisions.

But yeah, since the Wings have had success over five years ago now, that makes them completely off-limits to criticism and questioning management.

Nothing worse than when people try to tell others how to be a fan.

#2531906 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by GoWings1905 on 13 July 2014 - 12:50 AM

With everyone healthy we'll easily make the playoffs....

Oh no, did I rock the doomsday boat?

No, nor was my previous post a doomsday prediction. Expecting the Wings to be entirely healthy just isn't realistic. The core players are a year older and all have recent injury histories. Last season was flukey in terms of man games lost and likely won't be repeated, but the Wings haven't maintained much consistent health as a team over the past five years.

You also said to ignore the defense. Which apparently is also Holland's motto, but a tough task considering how bad they were and how the Wings plan on using that same group again this season.

#2531883 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by GoWings1905 on 12 July 2014 - 10:22 PM

With everyone healthy were a 4 line team. Ignore the defense.


The former is highly unlikely and the latter is going to be tough to ignore. 

#2531870 Mike Green to Wings?

Posted by GoWings1905 on 12 July 2014 - 06:59 PM

Let me know when they win a Cup as a GM

They have a combined four years on the job. Stevie's team went to the conference final in that span and Tampa Bay might be the favorite in the East heading into next season. Nill got Dallas into the playoffs in the West and has done a great job adding two huge pieces through trades already.

Holland just continues to make lateral moves since those two have left and the Red Wings have no direction under his leadership. Too bad Holland didn't stick to his word and retire when Nick did, so Nill would have gotten the GM job in Detroit before leaving.

#2531806 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by GoWings1905 on 12 July 2014 - 11:13 AM

Him being lazy, floating, being streaky. He is basically their franzen but he puts up slightly higher point totals.

Hossa is an elite defensive forward. I have never heard anyone call him lazy around hockey. Hossa is always creating something and noticeable on the ice, even when he isn't scoring. There's no comparison to Franzen.

Besides, that fanbase started watching hockey in 2010, so that's probably not the most accurate gauge of a player's worth.

#2531522 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GoWings1905 on 11 July 2014 - 10:55 AM

$2.5 million for a player with the same point total last season as Luke Glendening, who couldn't be less of an offensive threat. Not to mention, the other areas of the game where Glendening contributes and Cleary doesn't. 


Cleary will make the team and play ten games -- I think that's almost a guarantee with Holland running the show and Babs saying veterans get first crack, even though Cleary already lost his job to the kids last season. 


Ken Holland could have done nothing this summer and it would have been better than the mess he has now created. I know I'm definitely more excited to watch Kyle Quincey and Dan Cleary over Ryan Sproul and Tomas Jurco. 

#2531418 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 July 2014 - 10:36 PM

Good to know his knee seems to be doing much better now. I do hope he proves us wrong, and I'm glad he understands he has to earn a spot in the lineup. Like I said before, he does not hurt the team if he can't keep up and ends up in the press box. Watching all the games doesn't take a roster spot from anybody in GR. 
The signing is frustrating. That's something I agree with. I do think it is crappy for certain fans (mainly twitter) to be bashing Cleary over it. The guy wants to play. Sure I don't think it should be here, but I can't fault the guy for still having the determination to contribute. This is one situation where I am dying to eat some crow.
Prove us all wrong, Dano.

I'm not mad at Cleary either. None of this is his fault and who would turn down the opportunity presented to him by Holland?

My biggest gripe is we all know Cleary is going to get the benefit of the doubt again come September. There really shouldn't even be a competition, though -- Tomas Jurco has already proven himself to be an NHL player (certainly better than Cleary) and yet there's a pretty good chance he starts in Grand Rapids just because the option is there. If it's Cleary competing for a roster spot with Andersson or Glendening then whatever, but we all know the fallout here will be Jurco going down just like Nyquist last season and Tatar being a healthy scratch for the first ten games.

That's where Holland has continuously lied to all of us. "The kids are ready, we are confident they can play in Detroit" and they don't until massive injuries occur. Then they come up and do prove their worth only to be relegated to the same absurd treatment for washed up veterans.

Jurco shouldn't have to beat out Cleary for a roster spot in September. He already did that last season. That's why this signing is so ridiculous. I don't care about the money. I do care when the GM of the team continues to lie about icing the best team possible.

#2531337 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by GoWings1905 on 10 July 2014 - 07:45 PM

Helene St. James ‏@HeleneStJames 1m
#RedWings GM Ken Holland: "My program has been one of loyalty and there's good and bad that goes with that. Way more good, in my opinion."
so is holland himself admitting that the cleary signing is a bad one?

That loyalty has been real appealing to free agents too. All it has done recently is keep internal washed up veterans on the roster long past their usefulness. Every quote Holland has made lately does give the impression he's out of touch or trying to sell something nobody believes except his mouthpiece St. James.