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#2484055 Official 2014 Olympic Hockey Thread (Admin warning #316)

Posted by Nev on 15 February 2014 - 09:04 AM

Also, am I alone in thinking I'd absolutely love JVR on the wings? Dood can play

 

Haha, was just thinking the same thing. 




#2483800 Zetterberg out with herniated disc

Posted by Nev on 14 February 2014 - 08:58 AM

Then why are you here?  I DO care about the NHL season and the Red Wings.  I don't give a flying f*** about the Olympics.  I want the players who are being paid to play here to have their loyalties to the Red Wings.  "We" don't owe them anything. Zetterberg has the life and career he has because of the Red Wings, not because of Team Sweden.   Let's hope this puts an end to this ridiculous Olympics BS once and for all.


Right, and all three are likely missing time directly due to the Olympics.  All 3 played hurt when they shouldn't have, to try and be ready for Sochi.

 

Simply not true.  Franzen was concussed before the Olympics, and would still be out concussed in an NHL only no-Olympics season.  He didn't suffer another concussion when he came back for 1 game, he simply wasn't recovered from his initial concussion (only 3 days symptom free when the protocol is meant to be minimum 7).  He didn't rush back for the Olympics, he rushed back because we had no centers.

 

Datsyuk was injured before the Olympics and would still be injured without the Olympics.  He may be guilty of delaying surgery so as not to miss Sochi, but we won't know that for another 2 weeks.

 

Zetterberg has been plagued with his bad back for 3 months now.  He hasn't practised in forever.  He's clearly been playing through the pain for Detroit. He had it before the Olympics, and he would have had it without an Olympics.  MANY on here have speculated that it was only a matter of time before his back went again.  Unlucky for us it went after the Czech game.




#2483422 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by Nev on 12 February 2014 - 01:51 AM

Oh I think I estimated the owners about right. I think everybody else is overestimating the owners concerns about shutting down the league.

 

Just think about this for a second, these are the same guys who wiped out an entire season and almost another (maybe about 52 weeks worth of games). Do you honestly think these guys are worried about 2-3 weeks every 4 years?? That's child's play to these guys. And I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the owners who have a problem with the Olympics are the same ones who supported the lockouts. Talk about irony.

 

Exactly.  The owner weren't concerned about "losing momentum" and "not having any income from games" when they locked the players out for half a season last year, and the full season before that.

 

And they're not concerned about injuries to their prize assets, as they can just as easily get injured in a summer world cup.

 

Its all about money, nothing more, nothing less.




#2483351 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by Nev on 11 February 2014 - 12:19 PM

I have a few thoughts. Players exchange certain abilities like choosing where they play and limiting their leisure activities in exchange for obscene amounts of money. All those limits are part of the CBA. They're all agreed to. If players want to play Olympics, fine. But if they get hurt then they should have to cover their medical bills themselves and not get paid until they're healthy again. If the injury is serious, their team should be able to terminate the contract with no penalty. If I break my collar bone on my time and can't work, my boss can fire me, why should it be different for pro athletes? They should also forfeit their pay for any games they miss traveling or whatever. I think that this is just posturing by the league to get some kind of concessions from the PA. Enough high profile players are going to want to play that the league will end up shutting down again. But it's going to cost the players something.

 

 

1)  No-one should be fired for suffering an injury out of work

 

2)  Pro athletes are different to regular Joes like you and me.  They are the top 0.001% of the population.  There are only a handful of people on the planet who can do what they do.  Its why they get paid so much - the demand is high, and the supply is low.  Its also why it makes no sense for an athlete to pay their own medical bills, the team would be cutting off their nose to spite their face - "You sit on the sidelines not scoring any goals for my team Ovechkin, that'll teach you a lesson!" 

 

3)  The injury excuse is a COMPLETE RED HERRING.  If the owners were so concerned about injuries, they wouldn't be proposing a World Cup at the end of a long and gruelling season.  Y'know, a tournament just like the Olympics were their prize assets are equally likely to get injured.  Except of course, they get injured making $$$$$$ for the owners.......




#2483312 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by Nev on 11 February 2014 - 07:09 AM

1. I am not "bitching about time zones" I am just not getting up at 6 am on a weekday while I should be working to watch hockey. Neither should anybody really.

 

2. No kidding? How can you even bring that up? The Olympics are for amateurs. There isn't money to be given. If there was it wouldn't even be Olympics anymore (World Cup of Hockey)

 

edit- There is more to the  reason that the NHL decided to pull out, read my post above

 

1)   Neither should anybody?  What do you propose, have every Olympics in North America?  Except here's the problem, THE REST OF THE FRACKING WORLD IS IN A DIFFERENT TIME ZONE!!!!!   No matter where the Olympics are, people all around the world are "inconvenienced" by the timings.  And yet the rest of the world manages to cope without crying about it.  There is a world outside North America.

 

2)  Since when were the Olympics for amateurs?  Not for decades.  Even the "non-professionals" are usually full-time athletes either supported by their sports governing bodies, or in Americas case, "students" with 2 hours class a week on letter writing.  Or in the military, or the police, and released to be pretty much full time athletes.  International sport is such a high standard these days that it is near impossible to compete in most sports if you are not full-time. 

And there is tons of money - TV deals, official sponsors, ticket sales, merchandising.......Bettman and Snider and co see all the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and they see it going to not them, and they get jealous, and they get mad, "Whoever loves money never has enough".




#2483302 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by Nev on 11 February 2014 - 01:47 AM

1)  Quit bitching about the time zones.  The rest of the world is in different time zones and manages to cope with it for major sporting events.  America may be the biggest single TV market, but it is not the only TV market.

 

2)  If the NHL received a cut of the hockey revenue from the Winter Olympics, all these complaints from Bettman and the owners would disappear instantly.




#2483105 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by Nev on 10 February 2014 - 01:33 AM

This is all about money - nothing more, nothing less.  The olympics generate money that the NHL doesn't see, and the billionaires and multi-millionaires who own the NHL teams cannot stand that.

 

Thankfully the players see it differently.  They don't get paid for the Olympics, but its still a big deal to them.  Remember how Ovechkin said he would go AWOL if the NHL wouldn't release the players for Sochi?




#2483007 Olympic Hockey Schedule & Info

Posted by Nev on 09 February 2014 - 04:15 AM

From The Score:

 

 

Part of this deals with recent comments made by Ed Snider, Flyers owner and one of Uncle Gary's "inner Circle" of advisors.

I have a guess what's next.

 

And so it begins.  The NHL earns no money from the Olympics and that eats at the very core of Bettman and the owners.  Screw the fans, screw whats good for the game, screw what the players want,  They remind me of this guy

 

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#2482312 Glendening vs Andersson

Posted by Nev on 07 February 2014 - 01:37 PM

Andersson for me.  The only advantages I can see for Glendening are

 

1)  Grittier, which causes LGW to go into spasms of ecstasy, and over-rate it over other elements of the skill set

 

2)  Not as slow

 

3)  Newer.  Something which is very important on LGW.  Give it another season for us to become more familiar with his flaws and his popularity will plummet in the face of the next unproven young player.

 

Andersson is great on face-offs, a good PKer and decent offensively.  He's a 10-10-20 guy, which ain't bad for a 4th line PK specialist, and better than Glendening.




#2481708 2/6 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Panthers 1

Posted by Nev on 06 February 2014 - 01:06 PM

Pav back?  Wings win 14-3, Dats with a goal and 13 assists.




#2480393 The NHL reffing affecting the game

Posted by Nev on 02 February 2014 - 04:01 PM

Am I missing something, that wasn't a trip?

 

Imagine if every player deliberately skated over an opponents stick, threw themselves to the ice and got a penalty for it (including a nice soccer style fist pump for drawing the call).  It'd be 60 minutes of 3on3.

 

I genuinely thought the Caps player was getting called for diving at first.




#2480390 2/2 GDT: Red Wings 5 at Capitals 6 (OT)

Posted by Nev on 02 February 2014 - 03:58 PM

The ovi show. I can't belive that people are not more mad.

 

What, mad that we could stop the best goalscorer in the league from nailing a laser during a 4-on-3 that resulted from a blatant dive? 

 

Honestly after that dreadful 1st period we should be delighted with a point.




#2479618 1/31 GDT: Capitals 3 @ Red Wings 4 (F/SO)

Posted by Nev on 01 February 2014 - 03:40 AM

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#2477905 Andersson v. Sheahan

Posted by Nev on 27 January 2014 - 03:31 PM

Jurco needs more time in GR, and Glendening doesn't have to go through waivers, so there's your answer




#2477323 Z interviewed in Swedish paper

Posted by Nev on 26 January 2014 - 03:27 PM

Ha, never thought about D and Z playing each other and trying to shut each other down.  It'll be like Spy vs Spy :lol