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#2356723 Howard = Average

Posted by dobbles on 17 February 2013 - 12:35 PM

May as well lock this ridiculous crap. It's not about opinion or unbiased debate anymore, it's officially turned into a contest.


until this site decides to crack down on people who are obviously trolls, all threads devolve into this. i don't care if this gets me in trouble for saying this, but this site has turned into a garbage heap of terrible posters. i know sites have to try and be open to anyone, but it makes for a terrible environment for honest and genuine discussion. the day that matt instructs to moderators to crack down on trolling will be the day that lgw takes 50 steps forward as a hockey board.



as far as the thread is concerned, i will reiterate that howard is a well above average goalie. 'elite' is such a loaded term these days in all sports. but jimmy is one of the better goalies in the league, and one of the most valuable and skilled players on our team.


the defense is atrocious this season and has been for several years. do we have anyone that would be considered a shut down defenseman? have we for a few years? even lidstrom wasn't the best in his own end the last couple seasons. stuart was a strong shut down guy for yeasr, but seemed to be mentally checked out last year so even that didnt help.

#2353866 2/10 GDT : Kings 2 at Red Wings 3

Posted by dobbles on 10 February 2013 - 02:41 PM

olczyk is still convinced that the wings are the only team in the league that has ever run a little pick... man that guy is a tool.

#2353037 Howard = Average

Posted by dobbles on 08 February 2013 - 08:12 PM

Howard's days are numbered.

wish we could say the same for you here....

#2352835 Howard = Average

Posted by dobbles on 07 February 2013 - 11:17 PM

why is it people always try to compare every goalie to quick now? 15 months ago, quick was still looking over his shoulder at bernier. he had a great year last year and a great playoff run, but its not like he has been a top goalie for a decade or anything... 1 solid season does not make an 'elite' goalie...



jimmy howard is extremely underrated by most wings fans. he isn't perfect, but he has made the team a lot better than it would have been with someone else. the wings defense has been crap for 2-3 seasons now and even nick was fairly badin his own zone at the end. everyone has been guilty of poor defensive play. the sheer number of odd man chances the wings give up compared to 5 or 10 years ago is embarrassing.

#2324465 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by dobbles on 09 August 2012 - 02:43 PM

i still dont understand how the owners can cry so much about a deal that they came up with. they won the last labor dispute and now all of a sudden its the worst situation ever? to me the owners are 100% to blame. they were the ones that created the current agreement and they are the ones that let their gms continue to hand out these giant contracts.

i think the players can certainly give up a few percentage points of the revenue, but anything more than that is just the owners trying to grab leverage.

#2324007 Bouwmeester opinions? Potential trades? *merged*

Posted by dobbles on 06 August 2012 - 12:10 PM

I don't think it's a coincidence that the Flames haven't made the playoffs since he's been there and that the Panthers have after he left

i dont think its a coincidence you had to totally change the point...

its just luck. the reason the panthers didnt deal him at the deadline the year he left was because they were so close to making the playoffs. for several years they have been one of those young up and coming teams. but it really was tallon bringing in the variety of free agents the last year or two that allowed them to develop. so its not as if he was holding them back from making it while he was there. as i stated before, his numbers there were top notch in the 4 years after the lockout.

conversely, calgary has been a team on the decline since their cup run in 04. they have never really been a legit contender and havent won a playoff series since the lockout regardless of whether they had bouwmeester. i still readily admit that bouwmeester has been disappointing for them, but to imply its his fault the flames missed the playoffs and the panthers made it, well thats as silly as suggested jakub kindl is as good as jay bouwmeester...

keep going though, your absurdities are fun to read! i can't wait to see what your next totally unrelated counter point will be! :)

#2323917 Bouwmeester opinions? Potential trades? *merged*

Posted by dobbles on 05 August 2012 - 06:47 PM

Oh, you don't like how I put that? OK, I'll put it this way: he's far below what his production should be for his salary and for what the Wings would need to put out in order to receive him. His numbers in Florida are irrelevant. How sought-after he was when his previous contract ended is irrelevant. What is important is the present stage of his career, and in this present stage of his career he has been unable to put up the offensive numbers expected of him in Calgary. He has, as such, been considered a dud there. His acquisition was meant to make Phaneuf expendable, and in this he has thus far been a failed project.

And whose numbers should improve when they go to Calgary, you ask? Certainly the numbers of someone going from a bottom feeder to a quasi-contender should at least remain consistent even if they don't rise.

sure he is overpaid. sure he has not lived up to the hype in calgary. but answer me these:

what defenders on our roster are better than bouwmeester?
what other top pairing defenders are realistically available?

to me the answers to those question are kronwall and probably no one.

bouwmeester to me is a top pairing guy. sure everyone likes to complain that all he does is eat minutes. but when he is on the ice, so is the opponents top line. aside from this past year, he has had a decent plus minus, which means when he is on against those top lines, its an even matchup. to me thats saying something considering the bad teams he has played on. and while calgary is a quasi contender, do you have any idea who he has played with? this past year it was chris butler. i would imagine most have never really heard of him. he played a year with regehr who is at least decent, and his first year in calgary was with giordano who at the time was a nobody. it was the good year they had together that catapulted him into top 4 status.

and if you really think what happened in florida is irrelevant, this conversation has zero value. those years provide context into what he is capable of. and if you can't recognize that, you have no interest in hearing anyones opinion but your own. everyone loves to talk about how players benefited over the years from playing with lidstrom; that fact gave context to the numbers players put up. its the same situation here.

bottom line is that jay bouwmeester has spent the last 7 years playing top pairing minutes, usually putting up top end offensive numbers, and playing well enough defensively that he has had solid plus/minus numbers when he is normally without top quality linemates.

#2323903 Bouwmeester opinions? Potential trades? *merged*

Posted by dobbles on 05 August 2012 - 03:42 PM

Bouwmeester is not an elite defenseman. He can eat minutes and he's durable. Those are his main strengths. He's below-average offensively and average defensively. The team can absolutely afford to be without him, especially given that the current market will vastly inflate his price.

... and he won't. He'll trade Bouwmeester for a forward and another quality defenseman. Bouwmeester is NOT worth that.

im sorry but you are just wrong.

in the first 4 seasons after the lockout with florida, he was 23rd, 24th, 24th, and 21st in defenseman scoring. consistently being in the top 25 in the league in scoring is NOT below average.

sure he has had lower totals with calgary, but who doesnt? just for transparencies sake, he dropped to 55, 69, and 45 with them.

in his 7 seasons since the lockout, he was in the top 6 in scoring for his team 5 of those years. another year he was 8th. the only year he wasnt one of his teams top scorers was 10-11.

i am not saying he will be our savior, replace lidstrom, or even get traded. but people are undervaluing him. 3 summers ago he was the ryan suter of his free agent class before calgary dealt for his rights just before july 1st.

#2323752 Our Current Defense / What Holland Can Do *merged

Posted by dobbles on 03 August 2012 - 03:03 PM

Filppula, Samuelsson, Bertuzzi and 2013 1st to Buffalo for Tyler Myers. Franzen, Kindl, and 2014 1st to Tampa for Hedman.




That defense would be killer.

this isnt nhl12 on playstation. teams dont just trade away young potential stud defensemen for spare parts.

its impossible to take you seriously when you always propose these absurd trades.

#2323712 Our Current Defense / What Holland Can Do *merged

Posted by dobbles on 03 August 2012 - 10:21 AM

if we can't land a top pairing guy, i think we just go with what we have. only sign a veteran if he is there to be #7. i think we need to give our guys a chance to step up. we need to give them more than a few preseason games. we need to give smith and kindl their chance to play every game. we need to give ericsson the chance to play top 4 and earn his contract. if we go signing a veteran guy, all it will do is cause us to second guess every time a young guy makes a mistake.

to me, thats the exact mistake we made with quincey. we only gave him these short little windows to perform. once he went to LA, he showed that if got minutes, he could play. while we certainly cant just give guys minutes because we want them to succeed, we also have to give them fair chances. i dont feel we've done that in that past because of our love for bringing in veterans. its time to find our next generation of players. sink or swim; s*** or get off the pot.

then if half the season goes by and someone isnt living up to expectations, thats when we bring someone in. but give them a decent chance not just training camp.

#2321319 ESPN's NHL Team-Prospect Rankings...more bad news

Posted by dobbles on 23 July 2012 - 05:43 PM

i guess i can understand the ranking dropping if you take out smith and nyquist. they were indeed 2 of our best prospects. its not to say our cupboard is bare, but we have to remember that all teams have guys they are excited about. and unfortunately, outside of lottery players, you cant get truly excited about a player till he is at least in the ahl and playing well. fans too often cite numbers from juniors as some garuntee players will make it.

#2319255 Red Wings Rebuilding and Adapting to Maintain Dominance

Posted by dobbles on 15 July 2012 - 10:22 AM

people continue to over react.... the wings arent rebuilding. the roster is simply changing. lidstrom wasnt going to be around forever. he is the only player that cant be replaced. white was servicable in rafalskis place. quincey is slated to replace stuart. will they be exactly the same? of course not. (also note, i too thought quincey was terrible after the deadline, but i think he will be better going forward)

every year, fans are clamoring for the wings to get younger and try out new players. well some of that is finally happening. thats not rebuilding. thast reloading. its not about parity or finding gems in the draft or anything else. the wings lost earlier than expected in the playoffs; s*** happens. this year they ran into a hot goalie. its the same thing that happened when they hit kiprusoff in 04 and giguere in 03.

people think because we lost in the first round that suddenly the wings run of success is over.... let me remind you of something:
after winning back to back cups in 97 and 98, the wings won only 2 playoff series the next 3 years.
after winning the cup in 02, the wings won only 1 playoff series the next 3 years.
after winning the cup in 08, the wings won only 2 playoff series the next 3 years.

#2308897 2012 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

Posted by dobbles on 22 June 2012 - 06:49 PM

There saying Cody Eakin and a pick.

eakin and a 2nd i believe.

glad to see ribeiro go to the east. dude is a giant ******.

#2308016 Darren Helm signs 4 year extension

Posted by dobbles on 19 June 2012 - 11:05 AM

at first i felt like it was a bit high, but considering how many bad contracts are going to happen in a couple weeks, i guess it is good to put it into context. i am also happy with the 4 year term. i think that makes the higher cap hit worth it.

glad to have him on board for 4 more years!

#2307962 Red Wings Prepared to Offer Hudler Contract

Posted by dobbles on 19 June 2012 - 08:24 AM

I don't think that this stats sells Hudler short. It actually elevates him and Franzen to the level of Zach Parise, which they clearly aren't. I'd say it actually gives them more credit than they deserve. And this is coming from a guy who has repeatedly defended Hudler and Franzen on this forum.

i wasnt saying the statistic sold him short, but that other posters sold him short even though his even strength production was better than any of those other 3 guys.

like you, i dont go so far to imply hudler is as good as parise, i just think a lot of people keep dogging him when he had a pretty darn good year this year.