I would be happy with Roman Josi, great player on a tremendous cap hit, only downside is he isn't physical at all and I'm not sure if he could run the powerplay.
But he had offensive upside
Maybe our favorite Predsfan can talk about his availability?
Given his track record, I dont think we want Holland making a trade.
Can I ask what his poor track record is? I'm guessing you will say the Legwand trade, which I dont think is fair yet as we dont know what Jarnkrok is going to become. Other then maybe the Quincey trade, I cant think of one that bad.
The Jarnkrok trade was a pure panic move based on the notion of him going back to Sweden stock didn't come true. You just don't trade a guy like him for 2 months of a third line center, when the team is in extreme need of defense
I loved the line where he was challenged by carkner You stick up for your teammates. Ive been on his side many times, and I didnt want to turn him down. You kind of respect him sticking up for his teammates."
It always astounds me how well mannered and respectful these guys are, they know they're a dying breed and generally speaking they're the most honorable dudes on the ice.
Things like that are why I fell in love with the game, I love football, but hockey always seemed to show the best of respect in competition.
And they need to sign someone who can take on the fighting for him.
Its only a matter of time before these guys start showing signs of cte, and all the other health problems that come along with multiple concussions.
Fully agreed and it really pisses me off, how such great, honorable and respectful guys aren't getting the support they deserve from everybody. These guys are fully aware of the dangers, consequens and yet they are sticking up for something honorable and their teammates no matter at what cost. Another reason why I can't stand the anti-fighting crowd those guys deserve nothing but the utmost respect.
Fully agreed the Devils should sign Big Mac Steve MacIntyre or Gillies if he doesn't make the Flames roster and let Clowe focus on playing on the edge without risking further damages.
Which Schenn did Paul Holmgren trade James Van Riemsdyk for? (It's so hard for me to say that with a straight face)
It was Luke. I used to watch him on the Leafs all the time, he was their 6th D-man in his last year and used to play 6min a game. He has been regressing like crazy over the past few years.
This would be a horrible trade, he comes with a 3.6 million cap hit for the next 2 years.
Maybe he needs a better defensive partner or some sort of mentor? I've seen a few games of him too, he was really good in his first year. I'm also sure Brayden wouldn't be too happy seeing his brother traded.
Which in the end, doesn't help your star player whatsoever. If we are talking about whether or not a goon results in vengeance, nobody will argue that. If we are asking if having a goon prevents injuries, I personally think very little.
Well the other "star player" is getting the same threatment so it's more like wanna act like an idiot ? Fine we'll send out our tough guy and see how you like our response. Just look back at that famous Isles - Pens brawl, Pittsburgh made jokes about the Isles being too soft and tried to rough them up morre than once but after the Isles returned the favour it didn't happen again.
Surprise, surprise enforcers help keeping the other team honest. But of course the media is only talking about it if it happens to Crosby, the Z incident wasn't even a news article..With a guy like McGrattan Weber would maybe still have smashed him against the glass, but then McGrattan would have smashed Web *through* the glass.
Getting a tough guy would be easy and cheap. Would it do anything to improve the Wings or prevent any injuries? I doubt it. The Wings never were a "free agent destination" and as has been discussed many times, the free agents who have "shunned" the Wings haven't gone to better teams in better cities or for more money in most cases. Are the Wings too loyal and stick with veteran players way too long? Absolutely. In some cases, it worked, in others it didn't.
Keeping the other team honest can be correlated to less injuries. Hockey is a physical sport there is no way to 100 % prevent injuries but there are ways to force the other team to clean their act up. One of them is to finally get a another Downey, DMac to take care of business. Yes it's easy and cheap, yet it hasn't been done since our last cup (needless to say the Wings haven't one anything since then and are losing out on top UFA players also).
The Wings were never a free agent destination ? False, there was a team when the Wings could almost dictate the terms and free agents still died to come here...I know it seems like forever. Ehrhoff went to a much better Stanley Cup contender for 4 million that's an absolute steal!
I'm just saying that I'll take a meathead if we can't get a fighter with talent (which I know we won't).
Enforcer may be on the bottom of the list, but the top of the list isn't something Holland seems to be able to realistically address. He doesn't have any sway over free agents anymore and neither does the organization. We're not going to obtain a top 6 winger or a top pair defenseman, so what's the use wishing for the impossible.
Getting a tough guy would be easy and cheap.
The funny thing is those so called "meatheads" are playing a very clean game they know what their job is and they execute it well. I really can't think of any cheapshot by the likes of Colton Orr, Brian McGrattan (guy even gives other enforcers a second chance to guess if they really want to go with him!) or Frazer McLaren.
Also in my mind Tootoo is more of an agitator than an enforcer, yeah he will fight and provide some energy but agitators often need enforcers because they aren't feared, their job is to get under the skin of the other team.
For everyone saying getting g etting a tough guy is low priority...well the team also failed - like GMR 1983 mentioned - to land top pairing or top 6 guys and some of them don't even want to come here so that doesn't leave a lot of options other than hoping for some prospects to turn out much better than expected, otherwise neither Pasha nor Z will see another cup with this team. And personally I'd rather watch an entertaining team than pussysoft one that gets pushed around and have their best player missing time due to ellbows, hard preseason hits...The rematch against the Ottawa Senators was embarrassing.
Wheter people like it or not the mental mindset also plays a huge in hockey. If I'm a bigger team I'd love to play the Wings:
- hit everything that moves ... at worse case a non existant powerplay big deal kill it off and keep hitting
- go after their star players and no response
- star gets injured ? Well we don't have to fear anything because the team is pussysoft and won't fight fire with fire.
Downey used Laperiere as his punching bag and the whole team came together in such an amazing fashion. I'm starting to wonder what would happen if someone pulls a Keczmar against Pasha, Z business as usual I guess ? For everyone saying oh we don't need tough guys we need skill, this team hasn't won anything since they've lost toughness (sure the Wings also lost a ton of FO and on ice skill too) but that's the fact.
Players want to feel safe outthere and play there game, without having to worry about rats.
How is Calgary too tough ? They might add a 160 lbs !!! player would people like it to feed someone like that to the wolves ? The rats - who are now taking over - would absolutely take advantage of him and intimidate Johnny Hockey at every opportunity they might still do it, but then have to be prepared for the wrath of Bollig, McGrattan, Engelland, Yonkman...
Last season 1 guy stood up for Pasha and it was Sam a guy who doesn't and shouldn't fight.
Yeah the Milan Lucic type doesn't grow on trees but it's not that hard to add guys like Colton Orr, McGrattan heck McLaren, Frazer, Steve MacIntyre were on waivers and could be had for nothing. We are talking about 4 line players here, there job isn't to score goals or prevent them they have an average TOi of ~ 8 minutes their job is to keep the other team honest and making sure that people pay for taking advantage of Pasha. If we had MacIntyre or McLaren on our team, Scuderi would have thought twice about hitting Pasha and Cowen would have kept his damn ellbow down. Injuries are not something that will go away so the last thing this team needs is the added factor of more injuries from hard hits in PRESEASON games. Get rid of the instigator and let's see if the Marchand's, Cooke's and Lapierre's of the league are still so "brave"
Loving it but it shouldn't even be news. I mean it's a long summer the players have a lot of money and maybe rich families so they should be able to attend some MMA training too. But of course it must be nice if guys like Gillies, Bollig are willing to teach them how to defend themselves. Feels like yesterday when everyone thought the Flames would be a pussysoft, undersized team and now look at them, guys like Chara won't be laughing like they did against Abdelkader..
Personally I think guys like Pasha, Nyquist, and Tatar would welcome the addition of someone who has their back.
Here is my Brian McGrattan on the addition on Brandon Bollig (reporter asks him about the added size and toughness on the team):
it's actually security for our young players to go and play as freely as they want...without having to worry about anything.
I would LOVE if someone on this team would say the same thing about Pasha, Z, Nyquist and guess what I think they would welcome it too.
The days of having the PP as an enforcer are long but gone. I don't know about some of the anti-toughness fans but personally I would love seeing the skilled guys on this team doing their thing as freely as they want...
lol. and you know this how? there have been so many instances of players taking runs at star players on pertty much every team that this notion is laughable.
enforcers do not deter players from taking cheapshots anymore thanks in large part to how the nhl has changed the rules
Remember in 2008, when lapeirre took a run at lidstrom and injured him. downey was in the lineup but that didnt stop him from going after lidstrom
or how about kronwall this past season when mcleod boarded him right next to tootoo.
it's hilarious to think by today's standards that mccarty only got a 5 min major for fighting after that beatdown. If he did that today, he would probably be gone for the year
Monahan made the Flames and could focus fully on hockey, nobody took cheapshots or borderline hits against him and guess why ? People FEAR McGrattan as every cheapshot artist = rat should. The point of the matter is this Pasha is by far the best player on this team he is wasting his last years on a team that doesn't stick up for each other and where the FO doesn't bring in guys that could help out. It's not just about fighting it's that whole "anti physicality" mindset that I'm questioning Downey said it best himself "hey you can hit our players but if you try to take advantage of star/weaker/smallish players someone sneaky will come around the corner..."
The last player who took liberties with Kessel was a behemoth called John Scott nobody else has done so, because nobody wants to answer to Colton Orr, Frazer McLaren. Phaneuf told Crosby to keep to clean his act up or else he would hit him in the same manner...nobody on our team is doing that and maybe just maybe there is already too much complacensy...
Ok Scuderi laid out a clean hit fine, where are the guys that say "ok it's preseason and they are playing this like regular/playoff season in terms of physicality let's hit Maataa, Kunitz ...in the same manner" there is freaking nobody. Things like this are also a bounding experience for team they rally around each other and know everyone heas each others back.
I don't get it TSN has had such an informative and well organized site. Yeah, you want a more modern look but why not keep the great structure instead of throwing the whole concept over board and thencreate something where nobody knows, how to find stuff ?! i.e. Podcasts, Season Preview...
Also please stop that stupid "load more" button and add SITE numbers seriously how difficult is that ? Even I could code that.
Now the site looks "modern" but more like a mobile unorganized site...disappointed. If somebody knows where to find the podcasts etc. please link them