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#2466565 Babcock's Job?

Posted by frankgrimes on 20 December 2013 - 06:18 PM

Even with such an outstanding roster, winning the gold medal infront of the home crowd is not that easy. So no, any non pro coach claiming they would have won it with this team too, is getting a bit over themselves. Team USA had a guy named Ryan Miller playing out of his mind. Yes, it is easier to coach a bunch of allstars and future HoFers but if they aren't instructed well enough nothing will come out of it, as shown by Team Canada during last years WJC. Babcock has his flaws just like every other coach, gm but the guy damn well knows his business, otherwise there is no way someone could have had such an impressive set card as a coach. Making the playoffs last year almost was a miracle, lately his GM really has let him down in terms of player personal, he can only work with what Kenny is giving him. Personally I like Tippet and i think he is a great coach, but for whatever reason I feel like the guy is made for non major hockey-markets. His systems are simple, yet hard to defeat and he can get a bunch of average NHLers to play above their skillset for him but he certainly can't get top players to reach the next level. As for Babcocks replacement when the time is right, I would like to see Carlyle or Barry Trotz.

#2466499 Babcock's Job?

Posted by frankgrimes on 20 December 2013 - 12:21 PM

Unfortunately there is a popular myth that Mike Babcock is the best coach in the league even though there is no evidence to support the claim. Just because he coaches the Canadian Olympic team he somehow is the best coach in hockey (that is the usual response).


No one should ever have a safe job in sports. If you lose when you are expected to win (in the Wings case losing would be not making the playoffs) you should be replaced by someone who can do the job better or fix your mistakes.


It is partially Ken Holland's fault. He signs the players, he negotiates with FA's and current dead weight players to keep them on the team and take roster spots away from guys like Eaves, Tootoo, Nyquist, and Jurco.


When Ken Holland retires and is replaced with someone who doesn't have the same love for Babcock (looking at you Stevie) then he will be more likely to be fired (if he screws up). But for now, short of missing the playoffs, Babcock being fired isn't a likely scenario.


Stanley Cup winning coach

Olympian gold medal coach in his own country

more wins than any other coach


As for Kennys replacement I pray it will be Chiarelli, Shero or my favorite obviously Stevo Y :)

#2466123 Engelland suspended 5 games for Abby hit

Posted by frankgrimes on 19 December 2013 - 06:54 AM

I'm happy he was suspended but if that warrants 5 games then Neal should have been at least 8.

engelland was at least trying to make a hockey play as opposed to intentionally kneeing someone in the head.

Yeah, 5 games for Neal is a joke but I am sure he will have to answer for that sometime.

#2466095 Tom Wilson Hit on Brayden Schenn

Posted by frankgrimes on 19 December 2013 - 01:05 AM

Disclaimer: I love big, hard and sometimes bonecrushing hits and all that rough stuff but Wilson really? I know Brayden is to blame here too, for horrible positioning but boy that was an obvious charge, to me it seems like (watching it on the 10' tablet), that Wilson even picked up speed for the hit. Love the response from Grossman and Simmonds, wouldn't surprise if Schenn would be out with a concussion :(


Do that against the Calgaryflames or Boston Bruins and Wilson doesn't leave the ice standing. This should be 5 - 8 games.

#2465910 12/17 GDT: Ducks 5 @ Red Wings 2

Posted by frankgrimes on 18 December 2013 - 01:09 AM

When are players are getting paid Millions of Dollars to play a Game we all love which is Hockey and there playing like they are still in College or High School than they need to withhold pay until they can start playing like they are in the NHL.


People will you ever see Millions of Dollars? These Players are getting way over paid. The Payers need to start playing for the Love of the Game in-stand of the Money!! 


NHL Players are way over priced! I have had it with my Team losing! It's time for them to grow up and start playing like they belong in the NHL! We will lose Winter Classic this year if we don't get this stuff turned around. 


This team almost iced an AHL roster against a top 2 or 3 western team, what did people expect? I'm not shocked they've lost also blaming the monster for this game makes me laugh do people honestly believe Howard would have won that game?


With all the injuries (not usingthem as an excuse mind you), there was no way to win it, at least at the positive side nobody got hurt.

#2465200 Wings muscle?

Posted by frankgrimes on 16 December 2013 - 02:37 AM

Muscle? Nah, why employ someone who will keep other teams honest? Instead, let the league take care of incidents like the Cowen hit on Datsyuk.



Personally my ideal fourth line would contain Westgarth, Peluso and Orr (that's less than 4 million for a whole line!) - that's not a lot of cap spent (= more money for the other 3 lines) and boy oh boy this line could easily go toe to toe with the toughest ones in the NHL. Sure Neil would fight Orr or Westgarth, kassasian too but then ...well fair game against Spezza, Karlsson and Cowen I bet a lot of money, the guy would bring his cleanest game and not even looking at Pasha.


Enough with this soft eurostyled hockey, if I wanted to watch that I'd be watching some local games which are boring as hell.


tl;dr yup more muscle and a change of attitude is really needed

#2464780 Thornton suspended 15 games.

Posted by frankgrimes on 15 December 2013 - 11:52 AM

In response to Detroit #1 (cause the quote function is still broken for whatever reason for me)



Not only that, but the league feels that this is 15 games, but Emery attacking someone the same way except with gloves OFF, which is worse, is worthy of zero games.  The league is a complete joke when it comes to suspensions.


Well the league doesn't want to anger mighty Mario L. maybe just maybe the best owner in all of sports should hire Gretzky.


I would have been fine with 15 IF the ratio would have been there, but it's not. Neal is a repeat offender, did something really disgusting and got away with 5?! What Thornton did was way worse sure but NOT 10 games worse add to that how leaguewide known thug got nothing for assaulting someone, there just is no rational thinking behind these suspensions.


If I'm Chiarelli I'd be waiting for the next meeting and go Islandersstyle against the Penguins then the league will have something to look at ...*g*

#2464748 Thornton suspended 15 games.

Posted by frankgrimes on 15 December 2013 - 06:27 AM

Thornton is going to appeal http://www.csnne.com...on-little-harsh

#2464724 12/14 GDT : Penguins 4 at Red Wings 1

Posted by frankgrimes on 15 December 2013 - 02:01 AM

This season is very depressing. It's not so much that I believe this team is bad or won't make the playoffs, but I simply just do not like the make up of this team, I dislike some of the players, the attitude, the current lines, and the GM's moves. I hope they start to pull there heads out there asses and actually ice the best team we can.

I am feeling the same, the makeup of the current DetroitRedWings just seems to be missing something and it's not just grit, toughness given their streaky season so far it seems like the hunger to win and dedication has been lost. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but as a GM there needs to be a player turnover, otherwise mediocrity and country club atmosphere are the reward.

Also once again they didn't stick up for each other, Engelland ellbows Abdelkader and no reaction...Despite Z Pasha, Nyquist, Tatar, monster and Danny K there is nothing to like about this team. Maybe missing the playoffs will finally wake up the front office and this hanging on to spots will turn into some sort of a rebuild..

Anyway I'very thought other teams wouldn't play their enforcers against this team? For sure they do and why not the PP sucks.

#2464308 Thornton suspended 15 games.

Posted by frankgrimes on 14 December 2013 - 06:50 PM

Wonder what Mario L., Sindy C and the rest of this ***** organization promised Bettman and Shanahan for only giving Neal 5 games? If you giveThornton (first time offender) 15 there is no way that SOB named Neal can get away with 5. Can't wait, till some tough teams are going to take this crybabies by the horns and run Sindy + Malking out of the building. This coupled with the non suspension for that Flyers thug just makes so happy again knowing, that Shanahan will never ever hang at the in the rafters at the Joe.


Guy completely sold himself out, no integrity  at all.

#2463623 Shawn Thornton attacks Orpik (leaves game on stretcher)

Posted by frankgrimes on 12 December 2013 - 06:17 PM

I was 26 back then, and thought it was awesome that someone finally gave Lemieux what he deserved...Even better it being a Detroit Red Wings.


I'm 43, and still feel the same way - then again I'm a fan from a different era.


Sure, Thornton crossed the line in a disgusting way but it's not like the Penguins are a clean-team by any ways. Also Thornton has been in a lot of heated situations and never ever has been suspended, huge kudos to him and I would love to have a guy like him protecting Pasha, Z and the young guns instead of only one guy who is willing to stand up for them in Sam...


Loved what McCarty did back then and now that I'm older I love it even more! Rock'em Sock'em hockey, even Lemieux said he wanted a guy like McCarty on the Stars because of how well DMac played his role.

#2463493 Yzerman commits to Alumni Game roster!

Posted by frankgrimes on 11 December 2013 - 05:17 PM

Looking back at the interview with mick, this makes a lot of sense. If he never intended to play and the team knew that, I don't think they would have put so much emphasis on the AG during the interview. In hindsight, it looks like a ploy to drum up discussion. I know mick is not employed by the team, but that's just splitting hairs.

Either way, I don't care. This game is going to be awesome. I'm not even excited about the WC itself. The league pretty much ruined it.


The sad part about that is they aren't even done yet, at some point they are going to give the WC to teams that can't even fill their own (small!) arenas.


Anyway, I know I might be in the minority but I'm looking way more forward to the alumni game than the actual one. So many good memories and all-time greats on the ice on both sides, Clark, Domi  and cujo are nice to watch too. Should be an epic battle between two epic franchises, sadly the league doesn't show the respect, this game deserves.

#2463338 The Nyquist/Tatar Thread

Posted by frankgrimes on 11 December 2013 - 12:30 AM

To add to the anecdote about the caller and Datsyuk, I wasn't all that impressed with Zetterberg the first couple of years. I liked him but didn't fully appreciate his skills. And Datsyuk wasn't really loved until 2007 or so. When he shed his disappearing in the playoffs reputation.
So yeah, even in their mid-20s players can surprise you. Let's add Franzen to the list.
My big bold prediction is that Nyquist will be the next captain.

I may be in the minority here but I think Helm or Danny K will be the next captain.

#2462799 Yzerman commits to Alumni Game roster!

Posted by frankgrimes on 10 December 2013 - 07:05 PM

I was just trying to imagine what these guy would have been like if they were all playing in their primes. 

I was also wondering what the salary would be for this game if they were payed in modern dollars based on the pay from their highest years.


I think I'll just go back to smiling.


I can see why Stevie was hesitant to commit given his knees and other commitments.  It's easier to change a "maybe" to a "yes" than to a "no".


I really think and believe this roster would have exceeded the 100 million mark easily and the best part of it, the best owner in all of sports would have paid it without thinking twice. Seeing these two alumni teams just proves how stupid and boring the league has become post 2005.

#2462650 Howard = Average

Posted by frankgrimes on 10 December 2013 - 07:12 AM

At this rate a shooter trainer would give jimmy a run for his money. That said, i have high hopes for mrazek as well.

Anyone else think after Gus' big season he'll go somewhere else for a starting job/more money?


If he keeps up this stellar performance there are will for sure be a market for him.