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#2493989 If Kronwall isn't a #1

Posted by frankgrimes on 10 March 2014 - 04:06 AM

If Kronwall doesn't qualify as elite to you, then neither should Seabrook. Also Yandle is nowhere near as good as Kronwall in the defensive zone. And all I have to say about Chara is watch him closely next time you watch the B's. He's a good defenseman no doubt, but far from elite. He's not even the best all around defenseman on his team.


See that's why I've said the guy is extremely underrated. The reason why Keith can do what he does is Seabrook, the guy is like an insurance for every mistake ie. the former Suter/Weber pairing. The thing with Chara is because of his enormous size he is looking slow but watch this guy skate and shutdown the best of them.


This is nothing against Kronwall I like him but I just don't think he is a top 10 but for sure not top 5 defenseman. Since Suter left the Predators I don't think Weber is the best one anymore I think Keith and Pietrangelo will soon be better if they aren't already, although if Weber plays like in the olympics there would be no debate that was insane.

#2493988 Question: 2 scoring line/2 checkers or 3 scoring/1 checker?

Posted by frankgrimes on 10 March 2014 - 04:00 AM

For obvious cap reasons I'd go with 2 scoring and 2 checking lines, so a true top bottom 6 kind of approach. An advantage would be the cheaper third and fourth lines so more money for the top 6 and top pairing. The fourth line would be the energy line, used whenever things are getting out of hand and to produce energy. The third line would be a mixture of grit and youth.

#2493880 Yzerman's contract up after 2015

Posted by frankgrimes on 09 March 2014 - 02:13 PM

I'd love to have Stevie.. but I think he stays in Tampa. He's doing good things there


That's why I want to come over and help rebuilding this franchise :) oh nevermind just read Vinnik gave him an A plus and already wants to start contract talks not good for us not good.

#2493866 3/9 GDT: Red Wings at Rangers

Posted by frankgrimes on 09 March 2014 - 01:58 PM

The second goal was just a hard tto track deflection no chance on that but the third one, ugh. This team needs some serious stability on the defensive side I know it will not happen this season but for next season, take advantage of the Canucks firesale and get someone like Hamhuis, Bieksa, Ehrhoff or Andy Macdonald. Our goalies need to almost play flawlessly every time in order to have a chance..

#2493381 If Kronwall isn't a #1

Posted by frankgrimes on 09 March 2014 - 08:52 AM

The problem with Kronwall is simple: the guy is asked to run the damn PP and HE isn't that type of guy period he should focus more on a shutdown role and be a physical force again. Where are his so impressive crushing open ice hits? You know the stuff Phaneuf and him are known for.


Guys who are clearly better:


Chara - *lol* at the notion that this guy is overrated he is an absolute monster and can do it all


B. Seabrook - this is one of the most underrated guys in the whole league, he rarely makes a mistake and gets the job done quietly











bold = elite, so yeah Kronwall is around ~ 12 good but not in the top group and for sure not elite

#2493136 2014 draft thoughts.

Posted by frankgrimes on 08 March 2014 - 10:32 AM

Defenders, Defenders, Defenders and thanks to some questionable moves find another young center with potential.

#2492398 3/6 GDT: Avs 3 at Red Wings 2 (OT) Sorry Nick.

Posted by frankgrimes on 07 March 2014 - 09:03 AM

Rafalski left, Stuart left, Lidstrom left, and non of them were replaced. Holland is lucky Dekeyser fell into his lap.

Holmer left and he never replaced him one of the most underrated retirements ever. Overpaying for depth instead of stars won't fix anything. Come off season a defenseman needs to wear a winged jersey next season.

#2491938 3/6 GDT: Avs 3 at Red Wings 2 (OT) Sorry Nick.

Posted by frankgrimes on 06 March 2014 - 07:51 PM

Man man didn't cry but a few tears here and there. A perfect celebration for the perfect human seems fitting.


This will be the last retired number reminding us of possible the greatest Wings era ever. Not going to watch the rest of the game.


ps: the Truckthing was kinda lame don't let sponsoring destroy such a special event.

#2491832 Dear Mr Legwand

Posted by frankgrimes on 06 March 2014 - 06:36 PM

I've said in the 43 Pages thread and I'll said it again, it's nothing against him. Welcome to The Red Wings and I'll hope you enjoy your stay here.

#2491815 3/6 GDT: Avs 3 at Red Wings 2 (OT) Sorry Nick.

Posted by frankgrimes on 06 March 2014 - 06:04 PM

Words can't describe how fortunate I feel having watched this guy play for so many years. At earliest days my internet bill went up crazy but who cares.



#2491808 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by frankgrimes on 06 March 2014 - 05:53 PM


I too respect the fact we differ on such things but you can never ever count out any team once they get in - see LA 2012. And with the way we played in the playoffs last year I wouldn't count anything out. Yes it'll be tough without Z, but no one ever said we couldn't make it. Right now we are right on the bubble with games in hand, so let's not forget that. And if we play stifling defence ala in Montreal, then why can't we get in, get everyone healthy, (mostly) and make a charge? We'll be deep as hell down the middle, and talented underdogs. 


I don't feel the need to throw in the towel just for the sake of a better draft pick. We all know that good picks are mandated mainly by the scouting staff and not just the position of the pick. Obviously top 10 gets you something better than late 1st, but really we all know the draft is a crapshoot. IMO if there's a chance to make the playoffs you have to go for it, which is exactly what KH did yesterday by getting Legwand


Back to your point about Burke, what exactly did his tirade of 'truculence', 'belligerence', and general war chanting get him and for the Leafs? A new job in Calgary and a lack of success. Granted the Leafs are now better than they have been for a while, but are they really going anywhere? 


And just exactly how easy is it to trade for legitimate guys with grit who also have the ability to pop in a goal or two? These guys are pretty rare commodities, and as such are valued accordingly. hence why the price for Kesler was/is so high. I'd be interested to see what happens to him in the summer though, especially if the Canucks don't make it. 


If KH did say the kids weren't the answer, then that's fair enough. But he should be given credit for going with these guys mid season when it was clearly obvious that we needed it due to injuries and guys like Cleary and Bert weren't getting it done anymore. It's one thing to make mistakes, but another to learn from them. The kid line has arguably been our best the last couple of months


While I will criticise KH for the moves I don't feel were justified (see resigning Cleary, the Weiss deal, trading for Q), I still have faith and yesterday showed us that KH still wants to win just as much as anyone. As a fan, you cannot fault that, because that is the entire reason we have a 22 year streak in the first place. 


The thing with LA 12 is this:

Before the start of the regular season many people had them as one if not the cup favorite, LA simply underachieved in the regular season then added Carter and got hot at the right time. Their situation is different in so many ways:


- goaltending: elite

- defense: WOW

- middle: size, grit and goalscoring touch

LA is perfectly built for the playoffs.


Throwing in the towel doesn't mean to cheer for losing (at least for me) it just means accepting reality and thinking about the longterm future. Good thing you've brought up the Maple Leafs remember their JF he traded away youth for shortterm fixes and what happened? They've foudn themselves outside of the playoffs for almost a decade. Burke got fired there for a lot of understandable reasons, he is more concerned about his image in the press than the team, players he is representing. I'm not a fan of him (think he is arrogant and a showman) but I give credit where its due.


We may also differ in our expectations of what a fourth line should be/provide. Personally I would want them to be knuckleheads, big mammoths (Macintyre, McGrattan, Scottlike..) and as tough as they come preferable 3 enforcers in order to keep the Cookes, Cowens!!!! and Neils of this league in check and honest. The benefits are a very cheap serious 4 line other teams will fear AND more importantly more money for your more important top 9. So in this case yes, I do agree with Burkie.


Mark my words the Kesler situation will turn out to become Luongo #2, Gillis (again) tried to played GMs against each other and lost. Now he has to use his old "we didn't get serious offers" BS in order to save face. Yesterday would have been the day to trade Kesler his value will never be as high Gillis simply blew it.


I would give Holland credit, if Nyquist would have started the season with the Wings the youth and Dekeyser (who thanks god wanted to be a Red Wing) saved his ass last season. Saying the kids are NOW the answer is nice but why trade away our best center prospect? This just doesn't make sense to me. At least to me the streak is not more important than the longterm future and if the youth is used as assets package them and fix the damn defense.


Trust me when I say this, I want this franchise to be a cup contender every single year but I also know the reality and the reality is this team is getting up their in age quickly with that more and more injuries will happen. This is also the reason, why I think better (lower) draft picks are so important at some point we need to replace two superstar centers :(

#2491706 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by frankgrimes on 06 March 2014 - 02:11 PM

Agree with everything you've said,but we're talking about Ken the overripe master who threw kid under the bus after 40 AHL games while playing top 6 minutes for the Griffins.


Understand his position.He had to overpay to help the Wings,but it's not fair to criticize kid's and Blashill's work just to justify himself in this trade.


Like I said for me its not about Legwand I like him but I'm getting sick of Holland and his mojo:

- we are only making hockey deals --> this was highway robbery by Poile so the opposite from a hockeydeal

- throwing kids under the bus to make himself look better or like a genius for no good reason

- says you can't fix one of the teams biggest problems toughness, grit well Burke, Mactavish fixed it within weeks

- he now likes our youth and what is he doing ? Trades away our best center prospect yeah Jarnkrok needs to bulk up and put on some serious muscle but the kid is 20 plenty of time to do that


Still wanna get rid of the kid? Fine package him for some much needed defensive help you know someone like Ehrhoff, Myers or use Vancouvers firesale to your advantage a get a guy like Hamhuis or Bieksa (maybe both) here.


This is not the mastermind we are used to. Between 2009 and 2014 something has changed. Thanks for all the great work Holland but now I'm wishing you would have retired with Lidström and made room for another guy.

#2491542 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by frankgrimes on 06 March 2014 - 12:30 AM

I love Legwand, I'm just concerned about the moves Holland continues to make.


Same here nothing against Legwand. This has to do with Holland and his mistakes adding up extremely quicky and for sure the uncertainty of our future past Z and Pasha.


as for putting on weight well I know exactly what you are talking about I had to work my butt off in the gym and just couldn't put on weight ( = adding muscles) without taking some very good Whey gainers, creatin and other stuff. I'm also a bit taller so putting on weight takes even more time but these are professional athletes they have access to stuff we'll never get so I think putting on weight should be easier for them.

#2491529 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by frankgrimes on 06 March 2014 - 12:02 AM

I think the Holland bubble has burst he is no longer one of the best GM's in the NHL, the cap has taken a lot of steam out of his sails. I think it's time to create a new position, promote him, and get some fresh blood into the organization by hiring a new GM.


Yeah I mean move up and become vice president of hockey operations, let the Captain, Lombardi, Shero or Chiarelli take over for him.

#2491528 Ken Holland's Moves From 2009-2014

Posted by frankgrimes on 06 March 2014 - 12:00 AM


Clarkson sucks. He has no hockey sense, he's been suspended twice since becoming a Leaf, and his contract is nightmarish. (And yes, I realize I'm the same guy who wouldn't mind having Chris Stewart on our team. But, see, Chris Stewart can actually produce.) Weiss is a better player, he's just been hit with injuries.


Well in hindsight neither of the two is a good signing so far, that's for sure. Chris Stewart didn't get along with Hitchcock him and Babs would absolutely hate each other after two weeks tops so I understand not going after him. Although for a franchise with so much resources it's a bit of a shame that we can't get any superstars to sign here or at least stars and sorry that's on Holland.