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  4. Dabura

    2020 Draft Thread

    Yep, sounds about right. Lafreniere and Byfield are the consensus 1 and 2, respectively. No clear consensus beyond that. Like I said, I'm not interested in Perfetti. My reasoning is lazy: He's a smallish guy and I've heard his skating isn't great and I don't want a smallish guy whose skating isn't great. So he's pretty much guaranteed to become the best NHLer this draft produces, because f*** my life. I'm torn on Holtz. On the one hand, he's a natural born goal-scorer and I can easily imagine him becoming the next Kucherov. On the other hand, I think his overall game is lacking. Maybe Raymond isn't quite the goal-scorer Holtz is, but Raymond's all-around game is way more dynamic, way more robust. Stutzle at 7 on Wheeler's list is surprising to me...but I guess it also kind of isn't, as there are some things Stutzle needs to work on and/or may never be able to claim as strengths. Matt Larkin: [shrug]
  5. Spongewingredpants

    NHL20

    the funny thing is I tried to call up Zetterberg but cant because I am too close to the salary cap floor and my roster is full
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  7. 13dangledangle

    Ladies equivalent to playoff beard

    I just love the fact this thread is 12 years, 11 months and 2 days strong. Its really quite impressive, almost as much as how I dont recognize most the people on here then. Though I didnt join until a year after this, boy a lots changed around these parts
  8. The 91 of Ryans

    2020 Draft Thread

    The Athletic - Wheeler's Final 2020 Draft Prospect Rankings 1. Lafreniere 2. Byfield 3. Rossi 4. Perfetti 5. Raymond 6. Holtz 7. Stuzle 8. Drysdale 9. Lundell 10. Gunler Vs The Athletic - Pronman's Final 2020 Draft Prospect Rankings 1. Lafreniere 2. Byfield 3. Stuzle 4. Raymond 5. Perfetti 6. Holtz 7. Drysdale 8. Askavov 9. Rossi 10. Zary
  9. contractoragibe

    04/09 GDT : NJD vs DRW : 5 PM ET Last Game at Joe Louis Arena

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  10. Dabura

    2020 Draft Thread

    I suppose it's worth keeping in mind, like Wcs said. But I think what it comes down to -- and this is always a thing with any amateur or pro league -- is what kind of numbers the league's top scorers put up. So, like, Rossi's 120 points is probably inflated; he's got a clear age advantage (late September birthday) and that's going to help him even if poor OHL goaltending isn't a thing. So let's subtract, say, 30 points. Even with 90 points, he'd still be in pretty good company: https://www.quanthockey.com/ohl/en/seasons/2019-20-ohl-players-stats.html TBH, I'm not interested in Perfetti. I'm very high on Rossi tho. He's an Yzerman type, i.e. a smallish, high-skill, high-IQ, hard-working, well-rounded playmaking centerman who plays in the guts of the game across all three zones. He's always impacting the game, making things happen. This is a good profile that goes over Rossi's numbers (and more) in detail: https://www.silversevensens.com/2020/6/1/21276461/2020-nhl-draft-profile-marco-rossi-ottawa-senators-nhl-ohl
  11. krsmith17

    Glendog for Captain

    Yes, the stat is flawed. You had to remove players from the list because it was flawed. Once the appropriate players were removed, I agreed. You said Larkin was ranked 51st based on that particular stat, and then backpedaled when I brought up the flaw... I'm still not sure what you're confused about... I didn't say I have hundreds of stats that prove that Larkin is a 1C. I said there are hundreds of stats out there. A lot of which prove that Larkin is a 1C. You brought up PTS/60. I knew what the stat was, but I looked it up to verify what you were saying was accurate. Turns out it wasn't. You say you have no idea what Corsi or Fenwick are. Look them up if it interests you. If ixG isn't a valid stat because you say so, neither is PTS/60 or any of the other stats you mentioned. You act as if I'm saying we shouldn't add a center equal or better than Larkin. That clearly isn't the case. I'm hoping that Veleno is that player. Probably not though. The difference is, I'm not blaming the teams shortcomings on the teams best player. I'm not advocating trading our best player. Larkin needs more help on his wings, and more help behind him down the middle. Those two things combined, and Larkin is near a point per game, two-way center. Different expectations, sure. What's your point. Nielsen is very clearly expendable. Larkin is not. MoRe StRaWmEn... I've never said that Larkin is or should concentrate on defense in the offensive zone. Of course he's trying to produce in the offensive zone, but when you spend more time chasing the play, than controlling the play, you should be concentrating on defending / getting the puck back. 70 point pace (0.85 points per game), if he misses games, or if the NHL doesn't play a full 82 next season.
  12. ChristopherReevesLegs

    Glendog for Captain

    You agree with me... but it's still flawed? Yes I am thoroughly confused I have HUNDREDS of fancy stats that prove Larkin is really a 3C. But I'm not going to bother to explain them to you. Go look it up yourself. Correct. If you don't wanna present evidence to prove your point then you don't have an argument. You have a statement you can't back up. "iXG says so" isn't evidence. No one of significance. I'd be tanking this sucker. Having a hard time reading again? I highlighted the crucial point for you to make it easier: *yawn* more strawmen Larkin and Nielsen play on different lines and have different sets of expectations? Whoa u just rocked my world... It's your assertion that he's so concentrated on D he can't play offense. I think that's pretty retarded. It's your assertion that he's so concentrated on D he can't play offense. I think that's pretty retarded. So when Bertuzzi and Larkin are in the O zone Bertuzzi is playing offense but Larkin is focused on defense? Why is Larkin doing this? He should be focusing on offensive responsibility in the O zone. With a friendly wager. I'll take the position that he doesn't score 70 pts next season. What do you wanna do if he gets injured? A push until he plays full 82 games?
  13. krsmith17

    Glendog for Captain

    It's flawed because those 3rd and 4th line forwards are on the list. You choosing to remove them doesn't change the stat line. I said it was flawed when you said he was ranked 51st from that list. You then agreed with me, and said he's actually in the late 20's, with those players removed. I then agreed with that. I'm not sure what you're finding so confusing about that... I'm not going to sit here and explain all the advanced metrics used in hockey. If you're interested, look into. If not, don't. I would have presented one by now? I just presented three, but you didn't understand them. Therefore they don't exist... Not in so many words no, but you've said he sucks and we should trade him... Again, who would you replace him with? Let's say it is Tavares' line. Do you think every team matches their best center and defense pairing against Tavares? No. Some teams would choose to match their best against Tavares, other teams would choose Matthews. Some nights Tavares has it easier than Matthews, and vice versa. I didn't think that would be such a hard concept to understand... No, you're right. We shouldn't write off a 35 year old veteran, that played below replacement level this past season. That's the exact same as a 23 year old, that struggled, and still lead the team in points... What the f*** does this have to do with anything? Where are you pulling this bulls*** about Larkin thinking about D in the offensive zone? It makes no sense. More defensive responsibility on Larkin? LOL Back it up with what?
  14. ChristopherReevesLegs

    Glendog for Captain

    Then why are you telling me it's flawed bc of 3rd and 4th line forwards on the list??? I literally filtered them out for you. Sure, but I've never forwarded this argument. You'll have to remind me what these are and how they're measured. I gave up on fancy stats years ago. Again... present them. One would think if there exists such numerous and sound stats that prove me wrong you would have presented one by now. I'm open to hearing a run down of Larkin's fancy stats if they are so good. I've never argued that Larkin won't continue to develop. Don't get ahead of yourself. Would I go forward with him as 1C and captain? Not if I had the choice. Sure. Opponents have to make the decision who to put their best matchup on: Tavares or Matthews. Lets say they choose Tavares. Tavares doesn't suddenly have an easier go of things because Matthews happens to exist on the 2nd line. The only way Tavares gets an easier go of things is if the opponent instead chooses Matthews to matchup against. Likewise Larkin is never going to have an easier go of things until Detroit adds an equal or better center to the roster and opponents choose to matchup against that center instead of Larkin. Doesn't matter if Jason Williams is our 2C or RNH is our 2C... Larkin is always going to get the toughest match-up until he's supplanted at 1C. Nielsen struggled this season. It happens. We can't write him off. Would you make this same argument? It's the same logic. I'm not here to defend Nielsen, I just like to see the same standards applied to all players. Nielsen should have been our 3C this year and dropped the ball. Likewise we needed Larkin to be our leader and 1C and he dropped the ball through the entire beginning of the season. That's not even remotely close to what I just wrote. Read it again: Ah you mean when a new coach implemented an entirely different defensive and offensive scheme? Blashill didn't change his systems this year and deployed Larkin exactly the same as last year. Again, if Larkin is thinking about D when he's in the O zone then he needs to get his head checked. How come that didn't affect Bertuzzi or Mantha? C'mon now. You said mark it. Why can't you back it up if you're so confident? We'll both still be here in 1 year.
  15. krsmith17

    Glendog for Captain

    LOL I don't know how to interpret the stat? I'm the one that explained to you how it works, and why Larkin wasn't the 51st ranked center, based on the flawed stat that you were posting... Imagine thinking that a 23 year old on the worst NHL team assembled in the modern era is tapped out, is what he is... Individual Corsi, Fenwick and expected goals. There are many other stats out there that rank Larkin in the top 31 as well. What's your point? We both rank him around the same then. So does most of the hockey world. The difference is, I see him improving as he continues to develop. You apparently don't. I'd rather keep our best players, and build around them, adding better players. You apparently wouldn't. If you have two top lines, like the Leafs (as much as I hate to say it), some nights are going to be easier than others because you can get away from certain matchups. It's that much harder with only one good line. It's also not just about the other team matching against you. Again, with only one good line, Larkin is being matched against the other teams best as well. Huge difference between criticizing a player for poor play, and writing him off as a top line center because of a bad season. Criticism was warranted last season, especially the midway point of the season. He struggled. It happens. You're advocating Larkin as the 2C. Where are we getting his 1C replacement? There are none available... What the f*** are you even talking about? Because Larkin gets offensive zone starts (name a top line center that doesn't...), that means he hasn't been asked to concentrate on defense? LOL You forget the massive dropoff in points Yzerman had when Bowman told him to concentrate on defense do you? I would say it was a combination of a lot of things, but if I were to point to one thing specific, probably the fact that the team was MUCH worse overall. Nothing. I'm sure nothing and being right is more important to you than Larkin bouncing back, and you having to admit you were wrong...
  16. ChristopherReevesLegs

    Elliotte Friedman: Swedish UFA Forward Mathias Brome to Sign with Wings

    Also says we officially released Malmstrom and Elfstrom. Retained Kadeykin.
  17. ChristopherReevesLegs

    Glendog for Captain

    Lol the stat isn't flawed, you just don't understand how to interpret it. Scoring per 60 is a measure of productiveness while on the ice. Brian Boyle can score on every single 4th line shift he takes and rank #1 in scoring per 60. That doesn't mean he's better than Dylan Larkin. Which is why I filtered out 3rd, 4th, and 2nd line centers for you, but go ahead and ignore that I guess... It's a measure of how effective a player is offensively in their given position. If Brian Boyle has a very high scoring per 60 from the 4th line, that's an indicator he needs to be promoted to the 3rd line. Dylan Larkin's scoring per 60 is on the low end for a 1st line center, this year and averaged over the last 3. Which indicates in an ideal situation he would be demoted to the 2nd line where he's more effective per shift. Simple as that brother. I'm sorry, I'm not a math freak, please explain what in the heck iCF and ixG are. Did I not just rank Larkin as the 24th best 1st line center productively over the last 3 seasons? It seems corsica took a very long way to get to the same conclusion as me, or 23rd at least. Where do they rank him this season in a vacuum? Your link 404's btw Opposing teams are always gonna to try to "shut down" our best line. Doesn't matter if our 2nd line is great, good, mediocre, or poor. Sure we might win more with more scoring help from the 2nd line, but that doesn't make Larkin's 1st line magically play better. Now if you want to suggest that opponents are going to instead send their best matchup guys out against a different line than Larkin's, all that means is that Larkin is no longer on the best line. Exactly the change I'm advocating for. Nice strawman to avoid the issue. Larkin is allowed to have down seasons, but also Larkin is definitely going to get better. This is in a nutshell the problem I have with fans and young players. Because of perceived potential Larkin is immune to any criticism. We've seen this same scenario play out badly with both Brendan Smith and Petr Mrazek. I point out that these players are getting worse, or at least not getting better as expected, and most fans get mad because I'm not towing the line and looking the other way on them... cause their young and have "potential". I don't think any player deserves this kind of immunity. Larkin is 400 games into his career and he's proving to me he's the not the 1st line center we all hoped he could be. If he wants to be considered more than a 2C or poor mans 1C he needs to prove it with play and production, not make believe future potential. Right now he's trending downward when considering the totality of the season. I'm quite serious. Last I checked the O zone and the D zone are at two different ends of the ice. It's great that Larkin is working on improving his D, but Larkin isn't focused on D in the O zone. If he is we have a much more serious problem. Blashill also did not change his scheme from last year to keep up Larkin up high more often. He handled all the tough matchups last year too. Yet he regressed from a 79 pt pace that year to 61 this year. Pretty dramatic. No other player on the team had such a dramatic drop off. Sticking your head in the sand on this seems wise though. Curious. What do you think changed? What do I win if I take this bet?
  18. https://www.mlive.com/redwings/2020/06/steve-yzerman-explains-why-mathias-brome-can-make-red-wings.html Remember Mathias Bromé?
  19. krsmith17

    Glendog for Captain

    No, 3rd and 4th line centers ranking in the top 20 doesn't prove that it's a flawed stat at all... iCF - 3rd, iFF - 4th, ixG - 23rd, among others. I'm sure you can do a quick google search on advanced stats... Speaking of doing a quick google search, I just came across this list from corsicahockey, where Larkin is ranked number 25 amongst all centers with a 76.44 rating. I'm not sure exactly how they do their calculations, but they say they "distill all statistical information that is available into one single number using machine learning algorithms. The rating captures all contributions made by skaters - offensive, defensive, even strength or special teams". You can take that as you may, but I personally agree with most of the rankings. corsicahockey.com/nhl/players/nhl-player-ratings-ratings I already explained it in a previous post, but basically, opposing teams have one line to match against. They shut down the Larkin line, more often than not they win the game. If we had another dangerous, or even capable line, it would take a ton of pressure off Larkin, and the rest of the top line. Pretty straightforward stuff... So basically, players are not allowed to have down (half) seasons. We get it, your boy Bertuzzi had a fantastic season. Is he better than Larkin? Not even close. LOL you can't be serious... You don't actually think that because Larkin had a lot of the offensive zone starts, that he wasn't asked to concentrate on defense? Of course Larkin's line got a ton of offensive zone starts. What other option was there? Here's a quote from Blashill from a few months ago... "The challenge that Dylan has, is he wants this and we want him to become a great two-way center. A guy who is great defensively, so that even when you are not producing offense, you're still doing a real good job of eliminating the other team's offense." From the same article... "Coach Blashill prefers to look at Larkin's two-way game, Larkin's defensive work, and the fact that at age 23, Larkin continues to mature and grow into the type of player on and off the ice that will be a foundation piece for the Wings' organization." Still only willing to look at specific stats in a specific window... It was a down year for Larkin. He will bounce back. Larkin was on pace to have 61 points this season. Even more if you think he could have kept the hot streak rolling. He had 73 points in 76 games the season before. That's s 65-75 point center, handling all the tough matchups, on the worst team in the NHL, at the age of 22-23. But yeah, Larkin is the problem... Yes, I could've, but probably didn't, because not a single person was arguing how good Dylan Larkin was after last season... Yet, here we are... Down season. It happens. He'll hit 70+ points next season. Mark it.
  20. ChristopherReevesLegs

    Glendog for Captain

    Do a flip or it doesn't count Dylan
  21. Neomaxizoomdweebie

    Glendog for Captain

    DK: "I wonder if Miller knows I banged his mom." Abby: "My GF is way hotter than me. It helps when you're about to be overpaid by millions." Miller: "The gray isn't real. I just do it to get attention." Glenny: "I heard that if you put in my name on LGW.com it will come out as disney.com." Larkin: "If one more person calls me a 2C. Imma jump over this railing."
  22. ChristopherReevesLegs

    Glendog for Captain

    DK: "This dust is stinging my 30 year old grown man acne" Justin Abdulkadir: سأدمر هذا المبنى بعد بنائه إن شاء الله Miller: "Ryan never helped build a high-rise. Now mom will have to love me more." Glendog: "Luke like football. Football gud." Larkin: "I shidded and fardded"
  23. ChristopherReevesLegs

    Glendog for Captain

    You've said it's flawed, and done absolutely nothing to point out why it is so. Name them. Explain the logic here Yet he was continuing to enter his prime this year and only got worse, while his line-mates stayed the same or got better. If you're going to continue to use the "muh team bad" excuse to explain this away, you need to address why it affected Larkin so badly, but not Mantha or Bertuzzi and to some extent Fabbri. He's outside the top31 in the same stat if I consider just this season. Hogwash Larkin had 51.5% offensive zone starts this year Last year he has 51.4% offensive zone starts He wasn't deployed any differently than last year Okay, explain to me why it's flawed. You can run any average stat this year. Points per game. Points per 60. Primary assists per 60. Shooting percentage... etc etc. None of them place him in the top31 centers. You could've, and probably did, say the same thing last year. Yet here we are. >He's only going to get better! >Gets worse
  24. Akakabuto

    Glendog for Captain

    NEETs will inherit the earth. Dekeyser: ”I regret wearing shorts today. Everybody is laughing at my nonexistent calves." Abdelkader: ”I wonder if I can help out putting the organ in place?” Miller: ”Back in my day we thought Olympia was big” Glendening: ”I bet I can hit a nail harder than that guy with my backhand” Larkin: *Looking at worker scraping up dirt in the bottom of the pit* ”Thats right, clean it up wagie”
  25. Neomaxizoomdweebie

    Glendog for Captain

    Actually, he looks like Cameron Frye in this pic.
  26. Neomaxizoomdweebie

    Five years now no winni9ng team

    The Wings still wouldnt make the playoffs. Ha Ha.
  27. GMRwings1983

    Five years now no winni9ng team

    I can't believe nobody got the joke.
  28. Dabura

    2020 Draft Thread

    Honestly, I feel kinda dirty bringing up Hughes and Makar. Those two were phenomenal this season, so of course everyone's gonna be looking for "the next one"...and so of course when you look at Drysdale -- a smallish offense-driver who can skate you into the ground -- there's a temptation to say, "Wow! It's Hughes/Makar 2.0! Imagine our luck!" And I think there's also a temptation to overcorrect in the opposite direction and scream, "HE'S NOT HUGHES/MAKAR 2.0! STOP BEING A POO BRAIN!" Because, I mean, it's not like we should now expect every draft to produce a Hughes/Makar-caliber defenseman. Realistically, the truth is likely somewhere in the middle; I don't expect Drysdale to be quite as lethal and electrifying as Hughes and Makar, but I think his all-around game is better than Hughes' and Makar's, which arguably makes his ceiling a higher than theirs. He's an all-situations guy. My biggest source of HYPE! regarding this draft is the fact that we're likely going to be able to say, "OK, we've taken care of [insert position]. One down, three to go." I'm a sucker for center depth, so I do kinda hope it's a centerman (assuming we're not picking 1st). I'd hope the centerman ends up being a full-time centerman, but the thought of Byfield/Stutzle/Rossi splitting time between center and (Larkin's) wing gives me a boner, so it's all good. I do think they all look like full-time centermen tho. Even Rossi. Some people say Rossi's skating is questionable, but I don't really see it. A lot of people are on record saying his skating is a strength. I agree with these people. Overall, Rossi's a remarkably well-rounded player. The Brayden Point comparisons are very appropriate. Because he's relatively old and plays a mature two-way game, I think he's arguably the most NHL-ready guy in this draft class not named Lafreniere.
  29. krsmith17

    Glendog for Captain

    Larkin would obviously be more effective as a 2C. That goes without saying. Larkin grades out as a (lower end) 1C right now though, and will only get better. That's the point so many of us are trying to make here...
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