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So you think it's reasonable to look at Zadina, and think Svechnikov or bust? That's the worst rationale I've heard yet... So if Svechnikov is a 90-100 point winger, and Zadina, picked 4 spots after him, is only a 70-80 point winger, it's reasonable to consider him a bust? The issue I have with mackel calling Zadina a bust, is that he was calling him a bust since the day we drafted him. Based on absolutely nothing. And he's too proud to admit he was wrong, so he's going to continue to run this into the ground. Zadina will be a legitimate top six winger, and that's not a bust at 6th overall, no matter how you want to spin it.
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It's a one year contract, and we already acquired one 2nd round pick, with the potential of adding another mid round pick at next year's trade deadline. I think he will prove to be an upgrade over Ericsson / Daley, but even if he's not, it's still a worthwhile trade to acquire the asset(s). There's literally nothing to complain about, but here we are...
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Why are you still trying to disguise your writing style? You're not fooling anyone. Everyone knows you're the same dumbass known as number9 / CRL...
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Yeah, I think his numbers would definitely take a hit, due to lesser talent around him, but I also think it will inevitably decline in the not too distant future anyway. If Krug were 4 years younger, or we were 4 years further into this rebuild, I'd be all for signing Krug. Unfortunately, we're a minimum of three years away from being legit contenders (if everything goes right), and Krug likely only has about three really good years in him before he starts to decline. If we were to sign Krug to a 7-8 year contract, I could see the latter half of that contract looking really bad...
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Who will be better going forward? Never mind "in his 30's"... Do you think it's likely that Howard at 36-39 will be better than Markstrom at 30-33? I don't, and I don't really think you do either. So what are arguing here? Literally every single goaltender in the NHL (including backups) was better than Howard last season, so the "anybody but Howard" rhetoric makes some sense... Again, I'd prefer one of the cheaper options, but Markstrom, even at $6M would be a significant enough upgrade over Howard to be worth it. I just don't want 6 years. 4x$6M would be ideal. That way he's around long enough to mentor some of the younger guys (Larsson / Petruzzelli), but not too long that we see a drastic decline.
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The real reason Yzerman acquired Staal. To do just that.
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I don't hate the trade or anything, but I always love these stories about how good a person some player is, but they deliberately downplay how bad they suck as a player. Regardless of how good this dude is supposed to be in the locker room, he sucks. He's WAY past his usefulness. I'm happy with the 2nd rounder, but let's not kid ourselves, he's not any better than an Ericsson or a Daley. Filppula/Nemeth = Gagner/Staal. It's the same thing. Just plugging holes while obviously tanking. Pretty sure the "culture" of the team was not worse off in the hands of Filppula, Helm, Abby, Ericsson, and Daley (who have all won Cups) and Green, Nemeth, Dekeyer (who are all quality veterans) than it will be in the hands of Staal and Gagner, guys who have collectively won jack s*** in the NHL.
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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2020/09/26/red-wings-acquire-defenseman-marc-staal-draft-pick-future-considerations/3551732001/ Good Stuff.
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Look, I can't speak for Mackel but I do think that he's not entirely wrong. Imagine if, as is the case, Byfield and Stutzle were hyped all year long getting comparisons to guys like Kopitar and Kane. And then imagine one of those guys falling to you and him not being anything close to a Kopitar or Kane. That's the story with Zadina. There were times in his draft year when people were genuinely debating whether he was a better player than Svechnikov. It seems absured now, but it actually happened. And then he fell, we got him thinking he was a Svechnikov level talent, and he simply isn't. So it's not unreasonable to think that the system that built this kid up (and into a "star" in the making) has failed fans of teams like the Red Wings. And I don't think it's unreasonable for guys like Mackel to think, "this isn't what we were told we were getting. This guy sucks.".
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Makel actually looks at Zadina's numbers. Thinks. Ah. I got it! Injuries!!! THAT's why he's a bust now. It was injuries all along.
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It’s not so much that he’d be ‘bad’ for the Red Wings - it’s just that he’s always benefited by having a good defensive partner, and a better group of players as a whole. I could see his numbers drop like what we had seen with Mike Green. I’d rather see Grand Master Y pass on Krug.
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Yes i thought smith was the next lidstrom who’s the f***s this ham
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The irony here is palpable
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He thought brendan smith was the next lidstrom. Hes basically a joke poster.
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Because Markstrom will not be any better in his 30s than Howard was. Probably worse. But if someone is so blinded by the "anyone but Howard" rhetoric, then they'll think ANYTHING is better. It isn't. Overpaying for a goalie, just because he isn't Howard, is dumb.
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Ha , my experience is im a douchebag cause i dont agree with ppl here or the experts ... how dare i have my own opinion? Anyways i dont care im a douchebag , zadina will be good ... see i dont agree with you ... thus le douchebag
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@nyqvististhefuture, he's a douchbag who can't imagine people may not share his point of view... that's been my experience
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Your opinion doesnt matter to me , did you understand that? Good , enjoy the draft
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LOL another angry individual...
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Stop mentioning me every time you want to criticize someone. Also, there is literally nothing pointing in the opposite direction... the injuries are stacking up faster than goals for ole Zagina. #GFYkrsmith17
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And there's the illiterate part again... Try being less angry, learn to read and understand what people are saying... comprehension seems to be very difficult for you...
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Yes and raymond wont be better than those guys cause krsmith17 says listen to stevie and our scouts ok enjoy the draft, dont go for a certain player ... forget stutzle and just stfu and sit back and just wait for stevie to pick cause your a jackass who’s opinion doesnt count later
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LOL you're the one that inserted your dumb comment about how you won't be watching because of the Perfetti coverage they will shove down our throats... and will instead watch football... I don't give a s*** if you watch or not. Just suggesting that you have more of an open mind. You should try it... I also never said anything about Yzerman always being right, but I guarantee he knows more about every single one of the players in the top 10, than all of us jackasses combined. But yeah, Perfetti and Rossi will definitely be draft busts because nyquististhefuture said so... Almost as ridiculous as mackel calling Zadina a bust in every thread, despite everything pointing the opposite direction... Now that's a better analogy.
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Here is your answer. This is all I was getting at. Markstrom is a better option than Howard going forward. Why does any of this matter? Why do we care if Howard was better in his 20's or even early 30's? All that matters is who is going to be better going forward, and you answered that question above... I've already said that I'd prefer a cheaper option. It's not about Markstrom vs the rest of the options though. It's about Howard vs the rest of the options. And just about any other option is better than Howard at this point in his career, and going forward.
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