stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Title pretty much says it all - what do you guys think? Fire McCrimmon, move MacLean back to D coach (where he was during the 08 cup run) and bring Gallant on board as an assistant handling the offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest lnvincible Report post Posted October 14, 2009 its been 5 games, relax. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 When I first glanced at this, I thought you were talking about moving Babcock... I was going to say, Detroit is right across the border, and I wouldn't have a problem driving there and duking it out . But yeah, I wouldn't mind Gallant in the coaching staff at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ozzie30 170 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) its been 5 games, relax. Not if you include the defensive dabacle that was the 2008-2009 season. great idea, Steve! Edited October 14, 2009 by Ozzie30 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) I haven't been happy with McCrimmon since he got here. He had a bad defense in ATL, he's had a bad defense here. I'd rather try something new, without losing talented players. Edited October 14, 2009 by Carman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Not if you include the defensive dabacle that was the 2008-2009 season. great idea, Steve! exactly! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Not if you include the defensive dabacle that was the 2008-2009 season. great idea, Steve! THIS x 1000 for everyone who says "its only 5 games"... try 87 regular season bouts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 THIS x 1000 for everyone who says "its only 5 games"... try 87 regular season bouts. and that's my biggest problem with McCrimmon - you don't go from one of the best defense's in the league to one of the worst with no significant player changes (if anything an improvement with the addition of Ericsson) over night as we did from 07-08(cup season) to the 08-09 season and thus far this season... and what changed? The defensive coach... seems like more than a coincidence to me... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SDavis35 140 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 THIS x 1000 for everyone who says "its only 5 games"... try 87 regular season bouts. Minus a small handful of shutouts and good defensive games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ozzie30 170 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Yes. Why mess with success? MacLean should have never been taken off the D. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Minus a small handful of shutouts and good defensive games. and even more games if you consider pre-season and take into account the fact that they moved MacLean back to D and McCrimmon to the forwards right before the playoffs, only to switch them back heading into this year...... McCrimmon just doesn't click here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Not if you include the defensive dabacle that was the 2008-2009 season. great idea, Steve! Yes, it has been FAR more than 5 games! They woud be back to back champs if they woldn't have had the defesive problems ast season. A lot of folks like to blame Hossa, sure he should have scored in the finals, but we lost it by one goal and one game, if maybe the penalty kill was better in game's 3 or 6, we would be talking a Triple Crown run this year... McCrimmon should be man enough to quit, he knows he system is he problem, he handles the D and the penalty kill... Fire McCrimmon NOW! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingsRox 614 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 I'm beginning to agree ... fire the D coach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Hell I'm willing to go ask Chelios if he wants a defensive coaching job right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CenterIce 83 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) and even more games if you consider pre-season and take into account the fact that they moved MacLean back to D and McCrimmon to the forwards right before the playoffs, only to switch them back heading into this year...... McCrimmon just doesn't click here I don't remember this. Are you sure? I don't see them having McCrimmon running the forwards. To the overall topic, you also have to consider the loss of McLellan, since he handled the forwards and defense is a team concept. You have to have your forwards back checking and there can't be too much space between the forwards and defense. That coaching staff just worked. I knew it would not be good when McLellan went to San Jose. Edited October 14, 2009 by CenterIce Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 its been 5 games, relax. ~110, actually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 id be very surprised if the firing of mcCrimmon ever happend Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buppy 1,720 Report post Posted October 14, 2009 Not in love with McCrimmon or anything, but MacLean is still here. You'd think if he had anything worth contributing to the defense he would have done so by now. He can't be that busy. I still think it has more to do with effort and declining efficiency of our puck possession than it does our defensemen and goaltending. Our defense, aside from the PK, was stellar in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckeyeWingsfan80 209 Report post Posted October 15, 2009 its been 5 games, relax. No. Not really. I'm not usually one to jump on one bandwagon or the other when it comes to intra-forum musings, but it's been much more than 5 games. It's been, by my count, 82 regular season games, 4 against Columbus, 7 against Anaheim, 5 against Chicago and 7 against Pittsburgh. That, 110 total. The system isn't working. The players have played very well within a system that works before and I don't think they've lost that much. Therefore the first place to start is the coaching. Maybe they need a different voice saying the same things, maybe a motivator or a better instructor. Whatever. The point is what is going on isn't working and HASN'T worked in over a full season plus now. time for a change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 15, 2009 Not in love with McCrimmon or anything, but MacLean is still here. You'd think if he had anything worth contributing to the defense he would have done so by now. He can't be that busy. I still think it has more to do with effort and declining efficiency of our puck possession than it does our defensemen and goaltending. Our defense, aside from the PK, was stellar in the playoffs. Babcock is the head coach and the only one that can take special interest in any one area unless asked - you are not going to see ANY NHL assistant coach overstep boundaries and try and coach the opposite side he was asked to focus on... he will offer his opinion when asked, but for him to undermine McCrimmon and start butting in, would be worse... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrazyGangsta 79 Report post Posted October 15, 2009 All I know is that since 08 our defense has never been the same. Steve I agree It has been 87 games actually. The only difference last year comparing to this year is that our offense last year saved us in a lot of the games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jasper84 333 Report post Posted October 15, 2009 (edited) Edit: Nevermind, boneheaded name/coach mix up. Edited October 15, 2009 by Kween78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted October 15, 2009 (edited) I don't know much about how coaching contracts are, in fact I don't know anything about that at all. So my question to you, or anyone who feels like answering (and my apologies if this has been asked before), but how easy would it be to make this happen? He's coaching the Sharks, so would Kenny be able to make him the offer, and then he just book it from the Sharks back to the Wings? Something tells me its not that easy... but I'm sure you have a good reason for saying something like that to begin with. you're confusing Todd McClellan (the Sharks head coach) with Paul MacLean (our assistant coach) - they were both here in 07/08(cup year) and MacLean is still here as an assistant - MacLean handled the D and McClellan handled the forwards in 07/08 and when McClellan left for the Sharks in the start of the 08/09 season, MacClean moved to the forwards, which is when we brought on McCrimmon to take over the D (yes it can be confusing with all the Irish names, haha) Edited October 15, 2009 by stevkrause Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 5,153 Report post Posted October 15, 2009 I don't know much about how coaching contracts are, in fact I don't know anything about that at all. So my question to you, or anyone who feels like answering (and my apologies if this has been asked before), but how easy would it be to make this happen? He's coaching the Sharks, so would Kenny be able to make him the offer, and then he just book it from the Sharks back to the Wings? Something tells me its not that easy... but I'm sure you have a good reason for saying something like that to begin with. Paul MacLean is stil an asst. here, Todd McLellan is coaching the Sharks.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted October 15, 2009 All I know is that since 08 our defense has never been the same. Steve I agree It has been 87 games actually. The only difference last year comparing to this year is that our offense last year saved us in a lot of the games. + playoffs, but they were better defensively in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
