TheWestWing 71 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 I was (the only) fan of Gonchar a few years back when he was available - at the time he seemed like the best fit - a skilled, unobtrusive D-man. Well, it apeears those days are over - this is who we need now Souray I doubt MON is gonna deal him while they still think they have a chance. He's having his best year ever - played in every game! All his stats are decent with maybe the exception of +/- but c'mon - it is MON. Kenneth needs to go to Pavel and say 'look, take a lil less and we'll get this big 6'4'' lug to throw out there.' With Krommie under-achiving (or all of us over-estimating), Chelli on his last leg (still), Schneids Is Lackadaisical And His Play is Suspect (â„¢ PENDING) all but history, Pylon all but vaporized, the only D-man I see other than the C over the long term is Lebda. So let's get Souray - had least when he shoots from the point he'll probaly hit the net more often than #23 - I mean, he couldn't be any worse! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowingsgo 3 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 I hope he stays with the Baby Pens. He's done a good job for them. He set up a NICE goal to Malkin at the game I went to earlier this year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rice 42 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 No thanks. We need defensive defensemen, not forwards who play point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstarsingh 23 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 No thanks. We need defensive defensemen, not forwards who play point. In friggen deed. We have Schneider, Lids and Kronwall, wtf do you want Souray for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arin 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Why does everyone think we need D-men? Our team has ONE scoring line and is pretty stacked at D. We have atleast 1 NHL ready defensemen prospect, if not more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T-Ruff 47 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Apparently he wants to sign in California, so he can live closer to his young daughter who lives in Los Angeles with his ex-wife. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 The heck with Souray, we need this guy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BetweenThePipes 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 The heck with Souray, we need this guy! Oh my God! I don't even know what to say to that...Wow... However...Some of that on our team would make for some entertaining hockey! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 Anaheim has a little hole now that O'Brien is gone, also theres the obvious need for a Dman in SJ. If he goes anywhere, i'd assume it would be one of those 2. Much more likely SJ though, as Anaheim really just needs a 5th/6th guy. But if the Ducks did get him that would be sick.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Louisville 112 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 The heck with Souray, we need this guy! Hilarious! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyoski 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 D is not the Wings weakness right now. Do you look at the shot totals in the box scores every night? Pretty good indication of the way our D has played. Most other teams would give anything to have our depth at that position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 25, 2007 (edited) I was (the only) fan of Gonchar a few years back when he was available - at the time he seemed like the best fit - a skilled, unobtrusive D-man. Well, it apeears those days are over - this is who we need now Souray I doubt MON is gonna deal him while they still think they have a chance. He's having his best year ever - played in every game! All his stats are decent with maybe the exception of +/- but c'mon - it is MON. Kenneth needs to go to Pavel and say 'look, take a lil less and we'll get this big 6'4'' lug to throw out there.' With Krommie under-achiving (or all of us over-estimating), Chelli on his last leg (still), Schneids Is Lackadaisical And His Play is Suspect (â„¢ PENDING) all but history, Pylon all but vaporized, the only D-man I see other than the C over the long term is Lebda. So let's get Souray - had least when he shoots from the point he'll probaly hit the net more often than #23 - I mean, he couldn't be any worse! Sigh. I hate that this needs to come out so often: We've been over this SOOOO many times. You say that Souray "couldn't be any worse" than Schneider? I don't think that you have spent enough time watching Souray play defense. His ineptitude in his own defensive zone is legendary and universally agreed-upon. He may be a bit better than Schneider on offense, but he's leagues worse on defense--and that's saying a lot. Worse, he'll command a price much higher than Schneider will. If you want to pay a lot of money for "at least...." then... well, I dunno what to say. EDIT: FYI: for reference, Souray's offensive totals this year mirror Schneider's from last year. Edited February 25, 2007 by Crymson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheWestWing 71 Report post Posted February 25, 2007 (edited) We've been over this SOOOO many times. You say that Souray "couldn't be any worse" than Schneider? I don't think that you have spent enough time watching Souray play defense. His ineptitude in his own defensive zone is legendary and universally agreed-upon. He may be a bit better than Schneider on offense, but he's leagues worse on defense--and that's saying a lot. Worse, he'll command a price much higher than Schneider will. If you want to pay a lot of money for "at least...." then... well, I dunno what to say. EDIT: FYI: for reference, Souray's offensive totals this year mirror Schneider's from last year. Uh huh. And you've watched Schneids correct? Dunno what it is with him, but he hasn't been the same since he's come back. 'But look at his assist totals'. Plueeeeeze - Anna Nichole could get an assist on that PP with Hank and Pavel and Thomas. TG they installed netting above the nets cuz his shots of late from the point woulda taken out a few in rows 15-20. He couldn't hit the net if it was empty! Souray is having his career year and he's 31 YO - healthy as a horse and decent numbers. 'His ineptitude in his own defensive zone is legendary and universally agreed-upon' - yeah and so is Lang's offensive skills (except when he shows up in the playoffs) - your 'universe' is just a tad smaller than mine I guess. His D skills are not gonna make anyone forget Nick, but they'll make you forget about Schneids turnovers in about a week. EDIT: FYI for reference, they both have about 1 GvA a game but Souray has almost 4 times as many TkA. They both have about the same number of hits but Souray has almost twice as many BkS - so in my mind its a D upgrade. Edited February 25, 2007 by TheWestWing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5 Report post Posted February 26, 2007 Sigh. I hate that this needs to come out so often: We've been over this SOOOO many times. You say that Souray "couldn't be any worse" than Schneider? I don't think that you have spent enough time watching Souray play defense. His ineptitude in his own defensive zone is legendary and universally agreed-upon. He may be a bit better than Schneider on offense, but he's leagues worse on defense--and that's saying a lot. Worse, he'll command a price much higher than Schneider will. If you want to pay a lot of money for "at least...." then... well, I dunno what to say. EDIT: FYI: for reference, Souray's offensive totals this year mirror Schneider's from last year. He may not be the next Bobby Orr,but at least he sticks up for his teammates.(when Koivu was hit hard,he jumped the guy and was thrown out). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tunbo Batman Report post Posted February 26, 2007 Souray has a nice shot but is very braindead and a defense liability. we dont need him. we need A SCORER TO SPARK ANOTHER LINE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 26, 2007 Uh huh. And you've watched Schneids correct? Dunno what it is with him, but he hasn't been the same since he's come back. 'But look at his assist totals'. Plueeeeeze - Anna Nichole could get an assist on that PP with Hank and Pavel and Thomas. TG they installed netting above the nets cuz his shots of late from the point woulda taken out a few in rows 15-20. He couldn't hit the net if it was empty! Souray is having his career year and he's 31 YO - healthy as a horse and decent numbers. 'His ineptitude in his own defensive zone is legendary and universally agreed-upon' - yeah and so is Lang's offensive skills (except when he shows up in the playoffs) - your 'universe' is just a tad smaller than mine I guess. His D skills are not gonna make anyone forget Nick, but they'll make you forget about Schneids turnovers in about a week. EDIT: FYI for reference, they both have about 1 GvA a game but Souray has almost 4 times as many TkA. They both have about the same number of hits but Souray has almost twice as many BkS - so in my mind its a D upgrade. Schneider does not play as well since returning from injury, yes. This is the case with many players. It takes time to get up to speed. Lang's offensive skills are generally good. They are bad now and everyone feels angry at him because he's now useless. I don't get your point on this. Yes, Souray's defensive skills will make me forget about Schneider's turnovers pretty quickly, because I'll be so pissed about Souray's defensive errors that I'll evangelize Schneider. Honestly, why do we need do this? We need scorers up front. As someone else has pointed out, Souray is effectively a forward who only plays the point. He's got a hard shot, and not much else. Plus, he'll command a premium price next season--do you truly want to pay that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heroes of Hockeytown 694 Report post Posted February 26, 2007 He may not be the next Bobby Orr,but at least he sticks up for his teammates.(when Koivu was hit hard,he jumped the guy and was thrown out). It's all about balance. He's a guy who could nail us a few more PPGs a season and would occasionally jump someone for finishing their check, but he also takes more minor penalties than all but ten other NHLers, all the while getting turned inside out by speedy/shifty forwards and having the defensive zone awareness of a ninety year old man mid-seizure. Balance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenova0 0 Report post Posted February 26, 2007 Souray has a nice shot but is very braindead and a defense liability. we dont need him. we need A SCORER TO SPARK ANOTHER LINE. He MAY be braindead, but he does make a good pylon!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 26, 2007 He MAY be braindead, but he does make a good pylon!!!! All too classic for Souray, I'm afraid. He's an utter moron on defense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted February 26, 2007 All too classic for Souray, I'm afraid. He's an utter moron on defense. He always tries the open ice hip-check. I can't believe the amount of times he's gotten beat on that same type of play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted February 26, 2007 He always tries the open ice hip-check. I can't believe the amount of times he's gotten beat on that same type of play. Yeah, he's an odd one. In any event, I don't understand why the thread-starter feels we NEED this guy. It doesn't seem like he really fits on the team's current wish-list. Other more important slots must be filled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
