Datsyuk Signs 7-year, $46.9M Contract Extension

[FinRedWing 172]

This deal better come with some silverware.

I was thinking about 1-2 Stanleys,1 Hart,1 Conn Smythe.

[dicksmack 33]

It seemed clear from the presser that the entire organization was on board on this one. We knew Greenstin and Pavel wanted top dollar, no question about that... And basically, the Wings brass were prepared to say "do what it takes to sign him, this guy's special." And it seemed to me that in exchange for top dollar, the wings went for the longest term they could get to lock him up (Kenny said term was their big concern). Pavel Datsyuk is hands down the most unique, gifted and fascinating hockey player I have ever seen. He doesn't have to score to rivet you, at the same time, if you've seen him miss a regulation time breakaway, show me the video. I can honestly say that he is the main reason that I'm still a big hockey fan.

Pro sports are part of the entertainment industry; if you look at the deal from Pavel's ability to entertain, then it makes perfect sense. I think the Wings understand this "wow factor" of his completely. I went to the last game in Vancouver and all of the people around me were just buzzing when Datsyuk pulled off a few mind-bending plays--that says a lot because trust me, they hate the Wings... To me, the most talented players deserve the big contracts since they bring in revenue for our team and everybody else's while we're on the road.

Yzerman said that he feels that Pavel's playoff performance has been an "aberration." I've kinda felt the same way. He's played well but he's hit goal posts instead of lighting the lamp. If the Wings had gone on in one of those years, he might have come through but the opportunity never presented itself. The Wings have run into teams and goalies in the early rounds that went all the to the finals. You might say that if Pavel had stepped up and scored a few, then some of those one-goal losses might went the other way--can't argue that but then again nobody stepped it up enough to turn the tide. I think the big problem was a lack of team grit. Pavel is not a big guy and you can't blame him for that. It took the Wings a number of years to finally score some grit at the trade deadline--you can't have a chance to go all the way without it.

It's up to Pavel now, he's gotta prove the detractors wrong--I think he will this year. We've got the goaltending, some grit at last, and if we stay healthy, I like our chances.

Edited April 7, 2007 by dicksmack

[shannyfan1414 0]

not thrilled on the amount. I'm glad he is back. I really thought that Kenny was trying to get this done before the playoffs to try and save him self some cash on the deal. I guess he was just trying to get it done to get it done.

Hopefully this will make dats bust his ass in the playoffs rather then make him hide since he now has a long term deal done.

[adamic 0]

Shows how much Hull knows

The post should have been considered real. Moderators need to get a life. dats13 is more reliable than tsn or espn when it comes Pavel. 127.0.0.0.0 you should stay at 192.168.0.1 a little more often.

not thrilled on the amount. I'm glad he is back. I really thought that Kenny was trying to get this done before the playoffs to try and save him self some cash on the deal. I guess he was just trying to get it done to get it done.

Hopefully this will make dats bust his ass in the playoffs rather then make him hide since he now has a long term deal done.

I am thrilled with the amount and the fact that we don't have shanny the trader. Hoping the Rangers are elimimated. I hate shanny and Federov and wish them the worst. The Red Wings would never have been able to get another Dats. He has proven himself and won a ton of games for us that we would have lost. His skills and the fact he is most exciting player to watch in the NHL.

[poxer 0]

Yzerman said it best. "We needed to sign him." How could you not? Thats like having Brodeur when he first started off playing and he didn't perform well in some games and you're like "Well... He's good but some games...." You have to sign him. No matter the costs.

[RyanBarnes! 293]

Yzerman said it best. "We needed to sign him." How could you not? Thats like having Brodeur when he first started off playing and he didn't perform well in some games and you're like "Well... He's good but some games...." You have to sign him. No matter the costs.

Except, there are no similarities between Brodeur and Datsyuk.

[Kp-Wings 3]

Except, there are no similarities between Brodeur and Datsyuk.

Exactly. Brodeur is the New Jersey Devils. Datsyuk is just one of a team that has Zetterberg, Bertuzzi, Holmstrom, Lidstrom, Schneider, and a whole list of others.

[savaking72 0]

Wooooo Hoooooo!!!!!

I was hoping we would sign him. I just didn't think it would have been a deal this huge! Damn, Datsyuk got paid!!!! I have always been a HUGE Datsyuk fan. I think he is worth every penny.

Good job Holland!

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I wouldn't call Holland a gambler simply because he finally woke up and took a chance on Bertuzzi. When it comes to contracts and re-signing his players, sadly this is exactly what I'd expect from Holland. Even if the cap is rising, Datsyuk still isn't a $7 M player. No, stupid is what it is.

Another Sidenote: Gambling on a 42 year old goalie with a fragile groin is a bit of a gamble once this time of the year rolls around. Sure it didn't cost the Wings if he went down early in the season, but right now is where the gamble really kicks in.

[RyanBarnes! 293]

Wooooo Hoooooo!!!!!

I was hoping we would sign him. I just didn't think it would have been a deal this huge! Damn, Datsyuk got paid!!!! I have always been a HUGE Datsyuk fan. I think he is worth every penny.

Good job Holland!

This is the secret behind Holland's status. People congratulate him on a job well done, even when he makes a mistake.

Another Sidenote: Gambling on a 42 year old goalie with a fragile groin is a bit of a gamble once this time of the year rolls around. Sure it didn't cost the Wings if he went down early in the season, but right now is where the gamble really kicks in.

But bringing back same goaltender instead of pursuing new options can also be considered rather conservative, don't you think?

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

And I'm just responding to that response... Even with a rising cap, there can be no question Greenstin owns Holland after this one. It's too much, for too long.

I agree though.

This is the secret behind Holland's status. People congratulate him on a job well done, even when he makes a mistake.

But bringing back same goaltender instead of pursuing new options can also be considered rather conservative, don't you think?

As I said, one week from today Dom becomes a huge gamble. That's the point I'm making. Sure its no gamble if Dom went down earlier in the season, but not now.

[Kp-Wings 3]

This is the secret behind Holland's status. People congratulate him on a job well done, even when he makes a mistake.

It's mostly the die hard Datsyuk fans doing the congratulating here. Most other Wings fans (including myself) think he's nuts for signing him to such a long, high paying contract.

Ken Holland has proven me wrong before, like his moves at the deadline this year. But it's going to be hard for him to prove me wrong now, what with the playoffs approaching, and Datsyuk of course doesn't know how to step it up in the playoffs. Like I always say though, we'll wait and see what happens.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

This is the secret behind Holland's status. People congratulate him on a job well done, even when he makes a mistake.

But bringing back same goaltender instead of pursuing new options can also be considered rather conservative, don't you think?

As I said, one week from today Dom becomes a huge gamble. That's the point I'm making. Sure its no gamble if Dom went down earlier in the season, but not now.

[RyanBarnes! 293]

As I said, one week from today Dom becomes a huge gamble. That's the point I'm making. Sure its no gamble if Dom went down earlier in the season, but not now.

Not sure I agree. It would be a tough loss for any team to lose their starting goaltender in the playoffs. It seems you consider Hasek's age to be the greatest risk factor in this case and I'm not so sure about that. I admit he's got a history though.

It's mostly the die hard Datsyuk fans doing the congratulating here. Most other Wings fans (including myself) think he's nuts for signing him to such a long, high paying contract.

Ken Holland has proven me wrong before, like his moves at the deadline this year. But it's going to be hard for him to prove me wrong now, what with the playoffs approaching, and Datsyuk of course doesn't know how to step it up in the playoffs. Like I always say though, we'll wait and see what happens.

Of course, I'm just pointing out a general observation here. Some people can do nothing wrong, while some can do nothing right. Now, some poster's would probably say that goes for the critics as well, but I try to be fair.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

This is the secret behind Holland's status. People congratulate him on a job well done, even when he makes a mistake.

But bringing back same goaltender instead of pursuing new options can also be considered rather conservative, don't you think?

As I said, one week from today Dom becomes a huge gamble. That's the point I'm making. Sure its no gamble if Dom went down earlier in the season, but not now.

[BlueMonk 102]

The post should have been considered real. Moderators need to get a life. dats13 is more reliable than tsn or espn when it comes Pavel. 127.0.0.0.0 you should stay at 192.168.0.1 a little more often.

Yeah, because it was pretty obvious that his post wasn't like the 4,000 other ones just like it that somebody makes up on a daily basis just for fun. Good call, champ.

[RyanBarnes! 293]

As I said, one week from today Dom becomes a huge gamble. That's the point I'm making. Sure its no gamble if Dom went down earlier in the season, but not now.

Are you trying to confuse me?

[savaking72 0]

This is the secret behind Holland's status. People congratulate him on a job well done, even when he makes a mistake.

What's the mistake? Holland has been right on target. First he signs Calder, and then Bertuzzi. Then he pulls out this extension. Right now Holland appears to be firing on all cylinders to me. If you haven't noticed Datsyuk has been half the team's offense since Zetterburg went down. Sure, Dumb ass Holland signs the guy who has been doing most of the producing on the team. What's the problem?

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Are you trying to confuse me?

Not at all, I said the same thing in post #584.

Not sure I agree. It would be a tough loss for any team to lose their starting goaltender in the playoffs. It seems you consider Hasek's age to be the greatest risk factor in this case and I'm not so sure about that. I admit he's got a history though.

Of course, I'm just pointing out a general observation here. Some people can do nothing wrong, while some can do nothing right. Now, some poster's would probably say that goes for the critics as well, but I try to be fair.

How did you come to the conclusion that I think his age is the bigger concern over his groin? Just because I wrote it first in the following sentence in my previous post: "Gambling on a 42 year old goalie with a fragile groin".

Trust me, his age is the least of my worries come Thursday.

I think you were putting words in my mouth with that one.

[eva unit zero 271]

that's what I thought. But when I look at stuff on nhlnumbers.com, I can never quite figure out how they arrive at the actual cap hit for some of these guys. It doesn't always seem to be the average salary.

this damn cba requires too much thinking.

The number under 'actual cap hit' is the player's cap number that year, divided by the number of days that have passed in the season, multiplied by teh number of days that player was on the active roster.

In the far left hand colum, you can find the 'cap number' which is what the player's cap hit would be if he was on the active roster from start to finish.

Also, new contracts do not affect the current cap hit, as was suggested during the lockout. Holmstrom's 2.25 per year deal is on nhlnumbers, but does not affect his cap hit until next season because that's the first year of the deal.

Datsyuk at 46.9m for seven years is a good deal. I would have signed him to a 5.5m per year, 4 year deal if possible. That means in four years, he would have been a UFA. At that point, a three year, 8.3m deal is not an unrealistic expectation for Datsyuk to want, given his performance and the increasing cap. Better to suffer a slightly higher cap hit now that we have the space to afford than to suffer a higher cap hit LATER when we will need to replace some of the higher paid guys on our team like Lidstrom.

[RyanBarnes! 293]

Not at all, I said the same thing in post #584.

How did you come to the conclusion that I think his age is the bigger concern over his groin? Just because I wrote it first in the following sentence in my previous post: "Gambling on a 42 year old goalie with a fragile groin".

Trust me, his age is the least of my worries come Thursday.

I think you were putting words in my mouth with that one.

I'm sorry, I meant the whole age/groin thingy. Hasek might be considered a gamble because of his groin, but then again, it doesn't take a whole lot for a goalie (any goalie) to go down. If that happens, any team would be in trouble. That's my point.

Datsyuk at 46.9m for seven years is a good deal. I would have signed him to a 5.5m per year, 4 year deal if possible. That means in four years, he would have been a UFA. At that point, a three year, 8.3m deal is not an unrealistic expectation for Datsyuk to want, given his performance and the increasing cap. Better to suffer a slightly higher cap hit now that we have the space to afford than to suffer a higher cap hit LATER when we will need to replace some of the higher paid guys on our team like Lidstrom.

Given that Datsyuk is actually wanted on the team in 2010-2011, and that he performs according to a $8.3 M player at the time, which is far from a fact. In addition, your scenario doesn't consider other possible UFA targets available. Edited April 7, 2007 by RyanBarnes!

[Viperar 16]

Given that Datsyuk is actually wanted on the team in 2010-2011, and that he performs according to a $8.3 M player at the time, which is far from a fact. In addition, your scenario doesn't consider other possible UFA targets available.

why go shopping when you already have it at home?

[RyanBarnes! 293]

why go shopping when you already have it at home?

Do you have a crystal ball?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

The number under 'actual cap hit' is the player's cap number that year, divided by the number of days that have passed in the season, multiplied by teh number of days that player was on the active roster.

In the far left hand colum, you can find the 'cap number' which is what the player's cap hit would be if he was on the active roster from start to finish.

Also, new contracts do not affect the current cap hit, as was suggested during the lockout. Holmstrom's 2.25 per year deal is on nhlnumbers, but does not affect his cap hit until next season because that's the first year of the deal.

Datsyuk at 46.9m for seven years is a good deal. I would have signed him to a 5.5m per year, 4 year deal if possible. That means in four years, he would have been a UFA. At that point, a three year, 8.3m deal is not an unrealistic expectation for Datsyuk to want, given his performance and the increasing cap. Better to suffer a slightly higher cap hit now that we have the space to afford than to suffer a higher cap hit LATER when we will need to replace some of the higher paid guys on our team like Lidstrom.

thanks for clearing that up for me.

And I like your deal a lot better. If Dats is still performs that well four years from now to warrant more money, that's a good problem to have.

I just don't see how anyone other than the most blinded Datsyuk lover's could think 7 years is a good idea under the cap, especially for a 28 year old player.

Like I said originally, unless their name is Crosby or Ovechkin, it doesn't make sense. Dats is crazy talented, but few people outside of Detroit would consider him among the league's elite.

Edited April 7, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[Viperar 16]

Do you have a crystal ball?

no but you sure seem to declaring that this trade is so painful, honestly your argument is all about possible UFA we can pick up in the future and this deal leaving us no money.

1. why take some UFA when dats has got the chemistry built and constantly provides for us on a top notch basis.

2. salary cap plus big salary players like lang probably leaving will leave us enough money to play around

Take your hand off the panic button