Here comes the bluster..

[Samadelphia 0]

Passion about one's team is an excellent hobby, but we all should be careful to not let it get us into trouble. You have attempted to flame this board and gotten a variety of responses (did you expect anything less?). Granted you have given an appearance of civility, which we appreciate, but I think we would all appreciate it more if you did not insist on beating a dead horse.

And I think you have been looking at the posts with a homer's eye. Watch my first few posts. Practically neutral and hardly worth mentioning. But the instant I mention Sharks in 5 and why, the foul language and personal attacks start in earnest. You're damn right I'm gonna respond...

And I was not telling him what he said, I've been asking for clarification on a couple subjects, which the OPs are either unwilling, or incapable of providing. Such as...

On the one hand, you guys say the regular season is meaningless, but then point to the point totals as evidence of your superiority. Doesn't make sense and I called you guys on it.

The victory over the Flames is given as evidence that the Wings are tough enough to handle the Sharks size, grit and hitting, but claim that you're not comparing the Sharks to the Flames. The only way the statement make the least bit of sense is if your are at least roughly equating the Flames with the Sharks, which is completely ludicrous.

These are the same argument I've been presenting since I started getting flamed and in the same tone, but no one has stepped forward to answer for the contradictions.

Why?

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

I don't understand how what Guerin said is being twisted into what it has been. You watch film to figure out a teams strengths and weaknesses. From that you get a gameplan. When would a coach ever devise a gameplan that he thought wouldn't end up in his team winning?

LET IT GO!! This was, by no means, Guerin being cocky, or underestimating the Wings.

[EasyMark 8]

I don't understand how what Guerin said is being twisted into what it has been. You watch film to figure out a teams strengths and weaknesses. From that you get a gameplan. When would a coach ever devise a gameplan that he thought wouldn't end up in his team winning?

LET IT GO!! This was, by no means, Guerin being cocky, or underestimating the Wings.

"Detroit's a world class team," Sharks forward Bill Guerin said on a conference call with reporters Tuesday. "They know what it takes to win in this league. It's no surprise they are where they are."

I recommend Red Wing fans read this article. It is fair, accurate and respectful.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/columns/ci_5746216

Edited April 25, 2007 by EasyMark

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

I don't understand how what Guerin said is being twisted into what it has been. You watch film to figure out a teams strengths and weaknesses. From that you get a gameplan. When would a coach ever devise a gameplan that he thought wouldn't end up in his team winning?

LET IT GO!! This was, by no means, Guerin being cocky, or underestimating the Wings.

It's not what he said that's pissing us off, it's the way he said it. Him and Wilson talked as if they were going to breeze the series and by saying that is showing a total lack of respect to the Red Wings.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

"Detroit's a world class team," Sharks forward Bill Guerin said on a conference call with reporters Tuesday. "They know what it takes to win in this league. It's no surprise they are where they are."

I recommend Red Wing fans read this article. It is fair, accurate and respectful.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/columns/ci_5746216

Thanks for posting. That was a good read.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

It's not what he said that's pissing us off, it's the way he said it. Him and Wilson talked as if they were going to breeze the series and by saying that is showing a total lack of respect to the Red Wings.

See, to me, that isn't Guerin or Wilson's fault. If it's truely not what was said, but how it was said, then it is only your fault. None of us were there to hear the tone used, or the direct line of questioning. All we have is what they said. So if it's how it was said that upsets you, in reality, you are presuming how it was said, thus making it you who is upsetting you. (by you I mean the collective)

[Guest GodofHockeyStevieY19]

All I know is. I cannot wait to give some of these Sharks fans s*** when we're kicking the Sharks asses. Sharks in 5 my ass. Even without Homer and Lebda we're STILL taking game 1. And Im gonna be laughing my ass off when we're up 2-0 in the series. And ill be there in person for game 2. Then I will drive back from the Joe, come home, and laugh my ass off in multiple posts. These chumps are gonna be eating their words. And I can't wait.

Edited April 25, 2007 by GodofHockeyStevieY19

[hockeysattva 8]

And I think you have been looking at the posts with a homer's eye. Watch my first few posts. Practically neutral and hardly worth mentioning. But the instant I mention Sharks in 5 and why, the foul language and personal attacks start in earnest. You're damn right I'm gonna respond...

A Wings fan who is predicting a game one lose is a homer, I guess I do horribly under-rate the vastly superior Sharks because I only see through red lenses...

And I was not telling him what he said, I've been asking for clarification on a couple subjects, which the OPs are either unwilling, or incapable of providing.

Sorry, but that is exactly what you did. You have not been asking for clarification you have been building strawmen.

Such as...

On the one hand, you guys say the regular season is meaningless, but then point to the point totals as evidence of your superiority. Doesn't make sense and I called you guys on it.

The victory over the Flames is given as evidence that the Wings are tough enough to handle the Sharks size, grit and hitting, but claim that you're not comparing the Sharks to the Flames. The only way the statement make the least bit of sense is if your are at least roughly equating the Flames with the Sharks, which is completely ludicrous.

In plain simple English, since the half dozen attempts have not worked:

The play against the Flames was good enough to beat them (and throw them of their game). They said it would take grit to beat the Flames, therefor the Wings have grit.

Again and again, we say, the argument is not about comparing the Flames and the Sharks, but you ignore the replies -- yet again -- and say "in order to make sense you must mean."

These are the same argument I've been presenting since I started getting flamed and in the same tone, but no one has stepped forward to answer for the contradictions.

Why?

You calling something a contradiction does not make it so.

In case you haven't noticed we don't opperate with a single mind around here. Some people think only the playoffs matter and some people think the regular season or parts of it can be an indicator of likely playoff performance. But, you write well and use logic, so why are you playing dumb now?

You complain about having been flamed when you refuse to take what people write at the face value of the words that are used.

But, another attempt:

The bottom line is that you have a seriously misguided understanding of your team. Nobody has made the comparison between the Sharks and the Flames, but you want to, because somehow it makes you feel more confident. In the same way that looking at regular season statistics does. [Hey there are a number of Red Wing fans that do it too.]

The truth is that grit doesn't have so much to do with size... i.e. Iginla vs. Hatcher ...and the Red Wings showed that they could play a gritty team (yes, believe it or not the Flames are a gritty team). They make a big deal out of it, why? Because the Wings set records for fewest fighting majors, and play disciplined hockey. But, people know that things change in the playoffs, whistles are swallowed, and teams try to pick each other apart for survival.

So, I will say what has previously been unsaid: your team is not as tough as you think, and the Red Wings are tougher than you give them credit for. I am not going to give you stats, and you will say "because you don't have any." But, at this point it has already been said, why don't you just wait to let the teams prove somebody wrong.

Oh, and by the way, I know somebody who slept with Cheechoo, and she said normally size doesn't matter...

[RusDRW 155]

Here's the most basic breakdown of the series.

Even most red wings fans would acknowledge that, player for player, the Wings can not skate with the Sharks. If both teams play to their ceilings, the Sharks win.

So, in order for the Wings to win they have to play great, and the Sharks have to be less than great. But it is still possible fot the Wings to play great hockey, and lose this series.

The same can not be said for the Sharks. If they play like they have for the past 6 weeks, they win.

Sharks in 5...

Personally, I think that if both teams play great, up to expectations, Detroit will be on top of this series. I really believe we are better in every position. Can I prove that before the series begins? No. I think most DRW fans think in the same way.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

See, to me, that isn't Guerin or Wilson's fault. If it's truely not what was said, but how it was said, then it is only your fault. None of us were there to hear the tone used, or the direct line of questioning. All we have is what they said. So if it's how it was said that upsets you, in reality, you are presuming how it was said, thus making it you who is upsetting you. (by you I mean the collective)

Well what would you have thought if say.... Cheli and Babs had said that about the Sharks?

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

All I know is. I cannot wait to give some of these Sharks fans s*** when we're kicking the Sharks asses. Sharks in 5 my ass. Even without Homer and Lebda we're STILL taking game 1. And Im gonna be laughing my ass off when we're up 2-0 in the series. And ill be there in person for game 2. Then I will drive back from the Joe, come home, and laugh my ass off in multiple posts. These chumps are gonna be eating their words. And I can't wait.

Probably not the best representation of yourself.

Like they say, say little when you lose, say less when you win.

[spaMgobLiN 0]

All I know is. I cannot wait to give some of these Sharks fans s*** when we're kicking the Sharks asses. Sharks in 5 my ass. Even without Homer and Lebda we're STILL taking game 1. And Im gonna be laughing my ass off when we're up 2-0 in the series. And ill be there in person for game 2. Then I will drive back from the Joe, come home, and laugh my ass off in multiple posts. These chumps are gonna be eating their words. And I can't wait.

and if the wings lose ill make this quote my signature ;P

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

Let's be honest with ourselves. Look at the two teams we have here, Detroit and San Jose. Neither team is the clearcut dominator of this series. Both teams are very solid. Both teams can skate. I think Detroit has advantages in areas (goaltending, playoff experience) and San Jose also has an edge some areas (PP, and depth).

I think that anyone who thinks this series will go less than 6 games is giving one team too much credit. It's going to be a tough series. It won't be as physcially tough as either of the preceding series' for these two teams. It will me mentally tough. It will be a fast series. There will be a lot of great hockey played, by a lot of great players.

I don't think either team has any trick up it's sleeve, or any advantage that gives them any real edge in this series.

Detroit in 6....

[Guest GodofHockeyStevieY19]

Probably not the best representation of yourself.

Like they say, say little when you lose, say less when you win.

Im just fed up with all their bulls*** smack. If we lose, I will totally be gracious and admit defeat and give mad props. But if and WHEN we whoop that ass. Im certainly gonna rub it in. Might not be the most mature thing in the world, but its really the only true way to make me smile after hearing their Sharks in 5, Hasek sucks bulls*** and so on. But yeah, if it goes the other way around ill be here to take it as well.

Edited April 25, 2007 by GodofHockeyStevieY19

[Guest REDWINGS4LYFE]

Yah its funny how san jose thinks they can beat us lol. With my friend i made a 500 dollar bet that the wings would win, now i am taking that 500+my 500 and betting that the wings will win aganist san jose this idoit is so confident that the sharks are gonna win, hes giving me 2:1 odds

[Guest GodofHockeyStevieY19]

and if the wings lose ill make this quote my signature ;P

Don't worry bro. You'll never have to. Wings in 6. No doubt in my mind.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

Let's be honest with ourselves. Look at the two teams we have here, Detroit and San Jose. Neither team is the clearcut dominator of this series. Both teams are very solid. Both teams can skate. I think Detroit has advantages in areas (goaltending, playoff experience) and San Jose also has an edge some areas (PP, and depth).

I think that anyone who thinks this series will go less than 6 games is giving one team too much credit. It's going to be a tough series. It won't be as physcially tough as either of the preceding series' for these two teams. It will me mentally tough. It will be a fast series. There will be a lot of great hockey played, by a lot of great players.

I don't think either team has any trick up it's sleeve, or any advantage that gives them any real edge in this series.

Detroit in 6....

Finally something we agree on, May the best team win.

P.S. GO WINGS!!!!!!!

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

You guys.. the whole point of this thread was that some players and fans were getting a bit too cocky about their team. Let's not do the same, thanks.

[BringHomeTheCup! 0]

Well what would you have thought if say.... Cheli and Babs had said that about the Sharks?

Honestly I can say I would think the same thing. They must have watched a lot of film, and have a great gameplan. I wouldn't that that Cheli or Babs think San Jose will be an easy 4 wins. Or that they do not respect San Jose.

Finally something we agree on, May the best team win.

P.S. GO WINGS!!!!!!!

lol

[Elshupacabra 0]

Jeez, I go to sleep for only about 12 hours and you guys add 7 pages...ugh :nonono:

[Guest GodofHockeyStevieY19]

Let's be honest with ourselves. Look at the two teams we have here, Detroit and San Jose. Neither team is the clearcut dominator of this series.

Yup. Exactly why Im so pissed at these guppy fans. Its like, I'll give credit where credit is due. The Sharks are a really good team and its gonna be a really good series. But all these chumps? Oh Hasek sucks, blah blah blah, Sharks in 5, blah blah blah. Atleast most of us Wings fans can be objective. Unlike these guppy fans who think there just gonna absolutely steamroll a very good Detroit Red Wings squad. Pisses me off. But its all good, we'll have the last laugh. And I can't wait.

Jeez, I go to sleep for only about 12 hours

Daaaaamn. Only 12 hours?? You sure can sleep. I cant remember the l slept past even 9 hours. Although I must say, I definitely envy anyone that can clonk out for that long. My 6 hours a night just isnt cutting it...

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Im just fed up with all their bulls*** smack. If we lose, I will totally be gracious and admit defeat and give mad props. But if and WHEN we whoop that ass. Im certainly gonna rub it in. Might not be the most mature thing in the world, but its really the only true way to make me smile after hearing their Sharks in 5, Hasek sucks bulls*** and so on. But yeah, if it goes the other way around ill be here to take it as well.

Doesn't the fact that the Wings just moved on (according to your scenario) make you smile enough? It does for me.

[glasgowcelticwing 18]

You guys.. the whole point of this thread was that some players and fans were getting a bit too cocky about their team. Let's not do the same, thanks.

Were just sticking up for our Wings.

That's it I'm done with this thread, it's boring me.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Let's be honest with ourselves. Look at the two teams we have here, Detroit and San Jose. Neither team is the clearcut dominator of this series. Both teams are very solid. Both teams can skate. I think Detroit has advantages in areas (goaltending, playoff experience) and San Jose also has an edge some areas (PP, and depth).

I think that anyone who thinks this series will go less than 6 games is giving one team too much credit. It's going to be a tough series. It won't be as physcially tough as either of the preceding series' for these two teams. It will me mentally tough. It will be a fast series. There will be a lot of great hockey played, by a lot of great players.

I don't think either team has any trick up it's sleeve, or any advantage that gives them any real edge in this series.

Detroit in 6....

[HockeyCrazy3033 168]

Were just sticking up for our Wings.

That's it I'm done with this thread, it's boring me.

Oh I know..I am sticking up for them too which is why I got so mad about the comments.

I just don't want our fans getting ahead of ourselves either ya know?