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[Hank 0]

Check the stats again Lids its +1 same as Dats and Zetts is a +5.

This series they have had to play with Calder, Bertuzzi and other fill ins on the top line. They play much better with Holmstrom.

Considering that Holmstrom played in all 3 road games in Calgary, I wouldn't say he's the reason.

what the hell games are you watching? Last i checked datsyuk scored a clutch, GWG in game 2. Him and Z are fine, generating chances. What the hell does datsyuk need to do to gain respect around here? he isnt steve yzerman -- no one is. Spoiled fans, when they start bashin datsyuk and zetterberg. Is Thorton bad, just cause he was shut down last game? of course not.

First, he wasn't shutdown last game as he setup Cheechoo with a sweet pass (maybe we were watching a different game). And also, we're not complaining about putting up 0 points in one road game, but rather 5.

And if you forgot, Thornton has been trashed by NHL fans across the board for years now for not producing in the playoffs.

But I think you need to reread this post by haroldsnepts:

You guys go on and on about how great Datsyuk is, how he's one of the best in the league, but at the same time have such low expectations for him. He's a star player. Star players have high expectations placed upon them. Is that so hard to understand?

I think that sums it up perfectly.

Edited May 3, 2007 by Hank

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

Wow! That was perfectly said! I'm not sure how anyone can dispute that.

My opion is that Dats is a much better set up man then a goal scorer, he looks to make a play before he tries to score

[Hank 0]

How long have these players been in the league,do they have goons to protect them? Yes that is true however the Wings are about a team effort and not individuality how do you think they have won 3 cups inthe last 10 years

Datsyuk's been in the league longer than Spezza and the same amount of time as Gionta. And goons are a complete non factor during playoff time. Just look how much ice time Cam Jansen and McGratton have gotten. Goons don't help scorers score more in the postseason.

They won 3 Cups from teamwork but it also didn't hurt that their top offensive players (Yzerman, Federov, Shanny) all came through.

Edited May 3, 2007 by Hank

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

What Datsyuk faces is no different than every other star in this league. From Spezza to Gionta to Teemu Selanne.

And you took my comparison way out of proportion. I was simply stating that if you're team is lacking in offense people are going to look at your top offensive player.

I do not know if I am correct here Spezza and Selanne have not won a cup yet, Gionta I believe won it with the Devils

Datsyuk's been in the league longer than Spezza and the same amount of time as Gionta. And goons are a complete non factor during playoff time. Just look how much ice time Cam Jansen and McGratton have gotten. Goons don't help scorers score more in the postseason.

They won 3 Cups from teamwork but it also didn't hurt that their top offensive players (Yzerman, Federov, Shanny) all came through.

no but goons to protect and intimadate

[Hank 0]

I do not know if I am correct here Spezza and Selanne have not won a cup yet, Gionta I believe won it with the Devils

no but goons to protect and intimadate

Datsyuk has 1 Cup and he played on the 4th line, with almost no TOI in 3rd periods. Basically, he was a non-factor due to inexperience.

Goons protect and intimidate during the regular season. If they served such a tremendous purpose in the playoffs you would see them a lot more. It's the reason why Cam Janssen and Brian McGratton got playing time in the regular season and haven't been dressed for 1 second of playoff hockey this year.

To say that Gionta has scored 8 goals so far this spring because of goons is a rediculous statment. And to be brutally honest, it makes you sound as if you don't know anything about hockey.

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

Datsyuk has 1 Cup and he played on the 4th line, with almost no TOI in 3rd periods. Basically, he was a non-factor due to inexperience.

Goons protect and intimidate during the regular season. If they served such a tremendous purpose in the playoffs you would see them a lot more. It's the reason why Cam Janssen and Brian McGratton got playing time in the regular season and haven't been dressed for 1 second of playoff hockey this year.

To say that Gionta has scored 8 goals so far this spring because of goons is a rediculous statment. And to be brutally honest, it makes you sound as if you don't know anything about hockey.

Wasnt Dats paired up with Hull, and Deveraux in 01 the line was called the old goat and two kids , as far jansen, mcgratton why would they need them the sharks have enough size , as far as Gionta is he not one of the Devils only goal scorer s next to Gomez Oh is Pandolfo still doing the policing

Edited May 3, 2007 by DEVILSWATERBOY

[norrisnick 1]

Yeah, Datsyuk was on a line with Hull. And received the fewest minutes. Hull got most of his time on special teams.

Pandolfo still the policing?

34 players had more PIMs THIS YEAR ALONE than Pandolfo has in his 10 year career.

[Hank 0]

Wasnt Dats paired up with Hull, and Deveraux in 01 the line was called the old goat and two kids , as far jansen, mcgratton why woulkd they need them the sharks have enough size , as far as Gionta is not one of the Devils only goal scorer s next to Gomez Oh is Pandolfo still the policing

Datsyuk played with them in the regular season but in the playoffs Hull was placed with all 3 other centres shifts at a time. Datsyuk was even sat a few games in the playoffs.

And I'm not sure how to respond to the rest of what you wrote, as I'm not sure of it's relevance here.

McGratton plays for the Sens and Janssen for the Devils.

Pandolfo is not, by any means, an enforcer. He's a PK specialist. He wouldn't intimidate my grandmother.

And what does Gomez have to do with anything? I think you're getting way off track here.

[DEVILSWATERBOY 10]

Datsyuk played with them in the regular season but in the playoffs Hull was placed with all 3 other centres shifts at a time. Datsyuk was even sat a few games in the playoffs.

And I'm not sure how to respond to the rest of what you wrote, as I'm not sure of it's relevance here.

McGratton plays for the Sens and Janssen for the Devils.

Pandolfo is not, by any means, an enforcer. He's a PK specialist. He wouldn't intimidate my grandmother.

And what does Gomez have to do with anything? I think you're getting way off track here.

Sorry about that my kid was screwing around in here guys

[Kp-Wings 3]

the haters have arrived once again, but at a strange strange time

Talking about how you want "MORE" from Datsyuk, well whos to say he doesen't want "MORE" support from the fans?

nothing is ever good enough.

Sorry, but we all can't be like you and be morbidly blind homers and deny when he isn't playing as well as he should. Get real.

Datsyuk has been much better these playoffs, but now he has to play with the pressure of the contract. Whether he can bring his "A" game, every game, still has yet to be seen. In my opinion, Kenny will have been well advised to wait.

[Stevie Y 0]

The funniest thing is that the guy who started the thread didn't bash Dats in any way. He even stated that he works hard and played well so far. He merely said that Dats and Zetterberg need to produce on the road in order for the wings to move on in the pla offs. Yet he gets called a "hater" and people make it look like he demanded "magical" things from Dats.

Why can't the Dats supporter not say something along the lines: "Yes, Dats played really well so far and he is worknig his ass off but YES he will eventually have to score on the road"?

I think it's really not about bashing Dats or making his play look bad in comparison to other wings players. Its simply stating the obvious...

[hillbillywingsfan 794]

That's the thing. We need them to show up on the road, and they haven't yet this playoffs.

To get past San Jose and to get anywhere in the next round, we need our top two forwards producing on the road as well as at home.

this is why i like your posts most of the time. you tell it like it is and not sugar coat it for the wings fans with the hood pulled over thier head.

i agree they need to show up both ways for us to go.

[Hank 0]

The funniest thing is that the guy who started the thread didn't bash Dats in any way. He even stated that he works hard and played well so far. He merely said that Dats and Zetterberg need to produce on the road in order for the wings to move on in the pla offs. Yet he gets called a "hater" and people make it look like he demanded "magical" things from Dats.

Why can't the Dats supporter not say something along the lines: "Yes, Dats played really well so far and he is worknig his ass off but YES he will eventually have to score on the road"?

I think it's really not about bashing Dats or making his play look bad in comparison to other wings players. Its simply stating the obvious...

Well said. And this thought has been repeated several times here. I don't think one person has posted here saying that Datsyuk has played poorly. We're just looking for him to produce on the road. I don't think that's an unrealistic request.

[WingNutt 12]

Sorry, but we all can't be like you and be morbidly blind homers and deny when he isn't playing as well as he should. Get real.

Datsyuk has been much better these playoffs, but now he has to play with the pressure of the contract. Whether he can bring his "A" game, every game, still has yet to be seen. In my opinion, Kenny will have been well advised to wait.

what? you guys are still talking. I'm far from a morbidly blind homer Its called a TRUE FAN. but I'm not going to go saying are players need to play better when we have played better than we have the past 3-4 years. Datsyuk is doing everything he needs to do right now. More goals would be great for him yes but it would be good if all of our players would score more on the road. What about Bertuzzi? where has he been, he needs to score more period but you don't see me making threads about that?? do you know why?? thats because the TEAM is playing fine, We are finding ways to win against a tough tough talented San Jose team, Were not out of the woods yet. But last night we found a way to win as a TEAM not because our STAR players needed to score more on the road.

As a actual hockey player myself I understand, you WIN and LOSE as a TEAM, and as long as the TEAM is winning their should be no complaints. Who cares who scores as l ong as the TEAM Scores, Datsyuk is making things happen just because he is not scoring HIMSELF score on the road doesen't mean he isn't helping the TEAM score on the road. Thats why this thread is stupid. The team has been playing its heart out they just pulled a HUGE upset win and now you guys choose to make a thread to anaylize Our STAR players road performance. Its just dumb,

You know what Hasek is a star player, I think he needs to produce more goals on the road as well.

All the years of Yzerman leading the team in the playoffs he didn't always score all the goals but HIS TEAM did. Its not a one person sport. As long as they play well as a unit it makes up for others scoring or not scoring.

I don't care if Datsyuk gets all the goals or none of them as long as he plays his heart out and does everything possible to helpt the team win, whether its by scoring goals, setting up goals, stopping goal chances, PKing, throwing his body around, or just being on the ICE and being a MENTAL THREAT to the other team.

Learn hockey before you start running you mouth, and be a FAN not a analyst or coach.

Edited May 3, 2007 by WingNutt

[Aeothe Kaear 0]

Heh, it's funny how butt-hurt some of you get when someone dares criticize your favorite player.

You want to blame Datz and Zett for not scoring but Maltby and Draper get a pass?

[haroldsnepsts 4,826]

From Scotty Bowman's blog on April 30th:

Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk have been missing a key ingredient on their line with Tomas Holmstrom out, and that's set them back a little bit, but it's true, the team is counting on them. Other players are saying 'we're going to do their job, but we're not going to be as prolific a scorer as these two.' Detroit has to get most of their production from Zetterberg and Datsyuk because it's a strong defensive team that scores enough -- but when you say enough, that depends on your top guys.

There it is from the evil genius himself.

The radical idea that for the team to win its best players have to score. That the expectations on those two to score is higher than on everyone else.

http://www.nbcsports.com/scottybowman/blog/

Edited for "its" instead of "it's"

Edited May 3, 2007 by haroldsnepsts

[Kp-Wings 3]

what? you guys are still talking. I'm far from a morbidly blind homer Its called a TRUE FAN. but I'm not going to go saying are players need to play better when we have played better than we have the past 3-4 years. Datsyuk is doing everything he needs to do right now. More goals would be great for him yes but it would be good if all of our players would score more on the road. What about Bertuzzi? where has he been, he needs to score more period but you don't see me making threads about that?? do you know why?? thats because the TEAM is playing fine, We are finding ways to win against a tough tough talented San Jose team, Were not out of the woods yet. But last night we found a way to win as a TEAM not because our STAR players needed to score more on the road.

As a actual hockey player myself I understand, you WIN and LOSE as a TEAM, and as long as the TEAM is winning their should be no complaints. Who cares who scores as l ong as the TEAM Scores, Datsyuk is making things happen just because he is not scoring HIMSELF score on the road doesen't mean he isn't helping the TEAM score on the road. Thats why this thread is stupid. The team has been playing its heart out they just pulled a HUGE upset win and now you guys choose to make a thread to anaylize Our STAR players road performance. Its just dumb,

You know what Hasek is a star player, I think he needs to produce more goals on the road as well.

All the years of Yzerman leading the team in the playoffs he didn't always score all the goals but HIS TEAM did. Its not a one person sport. As long as they play well as a unit it makes up for others scoring or not scoring.

I don't care if Datsyuk gets all the goals or none of them as long as he plays his heart out and does everything possible to helpt the team win, whether its by scoring goals, setting up goals, stopping goal chances, PKing, throwing his body around, or just being on the ICE and being a MENTAL THREAT to the other team.

Learn hockey before you start running you mouth, and be a FAN not a analyst or coach.

True fan, eh? Yeah, more like a ture homer. I have never, not once, have you seen criticize Datsyuk when he isn't playing like he should. All you say is "Well, here comes the haters lolz!!!!!!!!11" I almost think you're Datsyuk himself, or his mom or something.

By the way, I am a fan. Don't question my being a fan just because I don't think someone is playing as well as they should. My favorite Wing player is Zetterberg, but when he is playing bad, you don't see me pull the crap like what you're doing. I am not afraid to call out his play when he plays bad. You, on the other hand, give Datsyuk a get out of jail free pass after everything. It's ridiculous. "Fan" is not the word to describe it. More like a relative to the respective player that you seem to candicly love so much.

Way to go off on me also. Sorry again that I'm not an idiotic blind homer like you that has their dicks shoved up their far corners of the players collective asses. Excuse me.

Edited May 3, 2007 by Kp-Wings

[Lidstromrules16 7]

No, Dats and Z havent had luck on the road, but that doesnt mean they are playing bad. Dats played great last night. Its only a matter of time before he puts the puck in the net. I am not arguing that Dats doesnt need to perform on the road, I just dont think that it is a big issue, as he certainly is playing well enough to produce.

[redandwhiteforever 0]

Like it or not, Datsyuk is overpaid right now based on his performance this playoffs. I thought Zetterberg looked bad last night, he was getting out muscled and was just falling down when someone would push him. Maybe split them up or something? They are not getting much done even strength.

[Viperar 16]

Like it or not, Datsyuk is overpaid right now based on his performance this playoffs.

wrong

[Kira 451]

WingNutt I have only one thing to add to this.

In the words of Leo Kottke, a virtuoso is his own reward. You'll understand what I mean.

Edited May 4, 2007 by Kira

[Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204]

He isnt a playoff superstar. face facts , hes been great in the playoffs so far and thats all we can ask for

[maltbyrocks18 0]

wow the creater of this thread with all due respect can just put a cork in it because this is ridiculous. He is leading our team in points in the playoffs, atleast fowards. He is doing phenomonal for being Injure target for every team we play as 2 men try to hit him at once every time he touches the puck. just quit the bitching about datsyuk, what does he have to do to get respect??

[Barrie 900]

Datsyuk is driving me nuts! He continually tries to "deak" around 3 or 4 Sharks players when he skates in over the blue line, and loses the puck.

Someone needs to tell him to fire the puck in when there's 3 players between him and the net. We have created some good scoring chances against the Sharks when we dump, chase, and forecheck.

[kozac 10]

Both of them were on the ice for 2 goals for last night, stop looking at the stats so much and watch the actuall game please.

Edited May 4, 2007 by kozac