Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=211070&hubname=nhl Not an official report as of yet, but this is a real joke if it's true. After finally getting the world biggest under-achievers to the SCF, there is no reason for him to be fired. They weren't even in the playoff race at Christmas. What strange times in the NHL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeta Power 40 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 this makes no sense!?!?!? why???? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 Ohh, he had a bad series against the Ducks, so did every other team. He's one of the best GMs in hockey, I just can't fathom this idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Production Line 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 This totaly comes out of nowhere...Like the Devils getting rid of their coach just before the playoffs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain_Yzerman19 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 I'd say Muckler was way more of a reason for the Sens Stanley Cup berth than Murray... weird. Eklund said something about Muckler leaving earlier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 I'd say Muckler was way more of a reason for the Sens Stanley Cup berth than Murray... weird. Eklund said something about Muckler leaving earlier. No way. Eklund might actually be right! Gaaaaah. All he did was instead of pulling the crap straight from his ass, he got it from somewhere else. I thought we'd never see the day he'd read TSN like the rest of us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Detroit # 1 Fan 2,204 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 No Loyalty. If this happens , the Senators are back to the "biggest joke of a canadian team ever" in my book. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joshy207 156 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 No way. Eklund might actually be right! Well, the sun even shines on a dog's ass some days... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Production Line 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 (edited) Well, the sun even shines on a dog's ass some days... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: and he's still only somewhat right on a low percentage of the days that the sun even shines on a dog's ass... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Edited June 17, 2007 by Production Line Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glasgowcelticwing 18 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 This must go down as one of the Dumbest thing's I've seen in a while . The Sens finally get there s*** together and then they go fire the guy that done it for them .....way to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Production Line 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 Maybe letting Chara go was his biggest f/up...finally helped take the team to where it should of competed in the playoff finals...the farthest in their current history...shoulda gained a contract extension not fired... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HockeyCrazy3033 168 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 WTF? That's all I gotta say at the moment. This really makes no sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Production Line 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 WTF? That's all I gotta say at the moment. This really makes no sense. No s***... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladybugblue 0 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 (edited) I was shocked when I read this article this morning. I had heard that Muckler may step aside and be a consultant with the team and Murray would move up to the GM position. I know the team doesn't want to lose Murray to the free market and that might have something to do with it. Muckler has been criticized for not getting some big name players at the trade deadline, but historically those deals haven't really worked out for the team (i.e. Bondra, Arnason). But I never expected him to get fired. Here is a link to another article that indicates that maybe he wasn't fired but asked to work with the team in another capacity: http://www.ottawasun.com/Sports/Senators/2...17/4267947.html If he was fired maybe it was because they wanted to change things now rather than wait out one more year on his contract. Still really bizarre. Edited June 17, 2007 by ladybugblue Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 Well, the sun even shines on a dog's ass some days... I guess there's a first for everything then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lou_Siffer 1 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 Mucker's team did fold royally to Anaheim when the stakes got raised, but you can hardly blame him for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckloo39 5,686 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 Ottawa's dumping Muckler and keeping Murray? That says a lot, and it's not good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 Mucker's team did fold royally to Anaheim when the stakes got raised, but you can hardly blame him for that. Exactly. Muckler isn't the coach. He brings the players in, but has no real effect on how they play. If anyone should be fired, it should be Murray. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StaticWithABeat 0 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 I fail to see why Muckler is such a wonderful GM...traded Havlat away for nothing, signed Redden at ridiculous dollars over Chara, overpaid for Gerber...the main reason they got to the finals is because their top line caught fire at the right time, Muckler didn't do anything special to put them there. The one good thing he's done lately is to acquire Heatley, and so far the guy they traded away has performed pretty much just as well as the guy they received. Plus he's in his mid-70s, perhaps it's just time to move on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rage 24 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 I fail to see why Muckler is such a wonderful GM...traded Havlat away for nothing, signed Redden at ridiculous dollars over Chara, overpaid for Gerber...the main reason they got to the finals is because their top line caught fire at the right time, Muckler didn't do anything special to put them there. The one good thing he's done lately is to acquire Heatley, and so far the guy they traded away has performed pretty much just as well as the guy they received. Plus he's in his mid-70s, perhaps it's just time to move on. I totally agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeeRYCE 2 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 I fail to see why Muckler is such a wonderful GM...traded Havlat away for nothing, signed Redden at ridiculous dollars over Chara, overpaid for Gerber...the main reason they got to the finals is because their top line caught fire at the right time, Muckler didn't do anything special to put them there. The one good thing he's done lately is to acquire Heatley, and so far the guy they traded away has performed pretty much just as well as the guy they received. Plus he's in his mid-70s, perhaps it's just time to move on. The Sens didn't want to have to deal with Havlat's injury prone credentials. They got Tom Preissing in that deal as well which isn't bad. It lead to better cap space. As for Redden, you wouldn't be saying that if he didn't have the s***ty season he had this year, but at the end of last season, I would have said the same thing. Redden over Chara, any day. At the end of last season, Redden's 6.5 was a worthy payment. John Muckler isn't psychic, he didn't know that Redden wouldn't perform as well this season. As for Gerber, 3.7 isn't bad. Considering he was one of the key ingredients for the Canes in 05/06 as far as getting them to playoffs. He was outshined by Ward, still was a good goalie, and still worth the 3.7 Gerber is what Biron was to Buffalo, what Toskala is to San Jose, just outshined, but still capable. That's what Muckler saw, Gerber playing the role of a starter. Again, he's not psychic and didn't know Gerber would underachieve and didn't know Emery would outperform him. I didn't see anything wrong with anything Muckler did last season. He did right, but was just blessed with a series of unfortunate events. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 I fail to see why Muckler is such a wonderful GM...traded Havlat away for Tom Preissing signed Redden at ridiculous dollars over Chara Because he could only sign one, and Redden had outplayed Chara in the regular season and even more notably in the playoffs, and Redden would be cheaper. Muckler was also the reason Chara was in Ottawa in the first place. overpaid for Gerber... Who a majority of this board felt Holland should have signed to a comparable deal. the main reason they got to the finals is because their top line caught fire at the right time, Muckler didn't do anything special to put them there. The one good thing he's done lately is to acquire Heatley, and so far the guy they traded away has performed pretty much just as well as the guy they received. Plus he's in his mid-70s, perhaps it's just time to move on. Hmm...Muckler acquired two thirds of Ottawa's top line. Without him, maybe they don't catch fire? Maybe Spezza (and Chara) are in NYI, and Heatley is still in Atlanta or maybe somewhere else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StaticWithABeat 0 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 I'm not saying Muckler is a bad GM...he's had good moments and bad moments just like anyone, I just find it odd that people are so shocked by his potential firing. Just because the team got to the finals last year doesn't mean he should be immune from being fired. The guy is 73...being a GM is a tough-ass job, there's a reason you don't see many 70+ year olds doing it. If his time isn't now, it's soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kp-Wings 3 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 I'm not saying Muckler is a bad GM...he's had good moments and bad moments just like anyone, I just find it odd that people are so shocked by his potential firing. Just because the team got to the finals last year doesn't mean he should be immune from being fired. The guy is 73...being a GM is a tough-ass job, there's a reason you don't see many 70+ year olds doing it. If his time isn't now, it's soon. Isn't going to the SCF considered an accomplishment? It certainly is, so why should the man who built the team be fired after they did it? This is the farthest Ottawa has ever went anyways. I mean, if their going to fire him, last season would have been more appropriate or during the Patrick Lalime era, but not now. That's just stupid to fire the GM after the team came so close. Muckler is a good GM. Just because his signings didn't pan out doesn't mean he was bad. They made it farther in one year without Chara then they ever did with him. He wasn't all that big of a loss when you think about it, since Tom Preissing played just as good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieY9802 6 Report post Posted June 18, 2007 The team didn't perform well in the finals but it was the best year they have ever had. And maybe they would have done better if not for the 9 days off or whatever. They were on a roll. Like the Tigers last year in the playoffs. If they would have had 3 days off in between the series maybe they win. You don't know for sure but its possible. Like someone said if Muckler was getting fired he should have been fired when this team wasn't performing a few years ago. Like someone said if anyone should be fired it should be Murry but I don't think even he should. Maybe this team just wasn't quite there yet. It would have been like the Wings firing Jimmy D after 95. Can't get out of round one but when you get to the finals you're fired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
